question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Just a quick question for those planning on coming over to escape Brexit.
What is it you are hoping to leave behind, and why do you think NZ will be different?? Just curious |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
I would say Brexit (if it ever comes to pass in any form it may take) would be small beer to the deranged Corbynista getting the vote.
Then you really will see them queuing up at AKL passport control .. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...fdffbe97c3.png |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by Justcol
(Post 12622371)
Just a quick question for those planning on coming over to escape Brexit.
What is it you are hoping to leave behind, and why do you think NZ will be different?? Just curious Is it just escaping all the news and media coverage? What? |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
I just read an article today by the NY times which i feel accurately describes the incompetence of the way it is being dealt with and perhaps one of the reasons so many are tying to escape it.
The Malign Incompetence of the British Ruling ClassWith Brexit, the chumocrats who drew borders from India to Ireland are getting a taste of their own medicine.By Pankaj Mishra Spoiler:
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re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
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re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by paddy234
(Post 12623311)
I just read an article today by the NY times which i feel accurately describes the incompetence of the way it is being dealt with and perhaps one of the reasons so many are tying to escape it.
Originally Posted by article
The Malign Incompetence of the British Ruling ClassWith Brexit, the chumocrats who drew borders from India to Ireland are getting a taste of their own medicineBy that I mean the referendum for the UK to leave the EU. Also their own successive governments/MPs which they elect in/out? The thread is about the reasons folks are thinking to emigrate to NZ and leave the UK due to Brexit. I am mindful of that & to not take the topic off course in this to yet another brexit for/against debate which BE has a-plenty. So. Is it those that voted to remain that now seek to emigrate as far away as poss ? Or those that voted to leave now seeking to emigrate now they see how such an exit evolves and what is involved ? Or those that may have voted either way or not at all that are now concerned in some way. What are the concerns ? |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by BEVS
(Post 12623324)
So do you then think that people are wanting to escape their own choices then or the choices of others ?
By that I mean the referendum for the UK to leave the EU. Also their own successive governments/MPs which they elect in/out? The thread is about the reasons folks are thinking to emigrate to NZ and leave the UK due to Brexit. I am mindful of that & to not take the topic off course in this to yet another brexit for/against debate which BE has a-plenty. So. Is it those that voted to remain that now seek to emigrate as far away as poss ? Or those that voted to leave now seeking to emigrate now they see how such an exit evolves and what is involved ? Or those that may have voted either way or not at all that are now concerned in some way. What are the concerns ? I think it is a combination of both, the remain voters will certainly be more attracted to leave and go abroad as they are afraid of being trapped in a country they will no longer recognize whose views they don't share. The leave voters which i think this article describes well are now actually worried that their politicians who promised them a easy transition and a more prosperous nation are actually so incompetent that they going to sabotage any deal which would be disastrous. I feel many of these people will be more inclined to leave the UK if they continue to be convinced that the actions of MP's will not provide the sort of Brexit they were promised |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
But how can they expect the Brexit they were promised when most of the promises where based on lies.?
My husband bought us over back in 2012 because of what he saw as further problems for the UK because of the powers that be. He was actually looking at Australia but after 6 months of going through the application he pulled the plug on that because of Australian Government and how they were running Australia. Now NZ seemed ok to him as its Government didn't seem to be doing, err well, much at all really at that time. |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by MrsFychan
(Post 12623432)
But how can they expect the Brexit they were promised when most of the promises where based on lies.?
My husband bought us over back in 2012 because of what he saw as further problems for the UK because of the powers that be. He was actually looking at Australia but after 6 months of going through the application he pulled the plug on that because of Australian Government and how they were running Australia. Now NZ seemed ok to him as its Government didn't seem to be doing, err well, much at all really at that time. |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Assuming Theresa May won't find support, which seems likely, and Bank of England's forecast for a no-deal scenario is correct I expect we'll see more interest if the UK actually exits the EU. Until then any impact will likely be very limited.
Personally I believe the UK will delay making a final decision on article 50 (i.e. beyond March), probably waiting until the subsequent election or referendum has taken place. There is a democratic dichotomy where the referendum outcome is at odds with the current stated views of elected MPs and those are the only two ways of resolving that difference. The fundamental issue was, subsequent to the referendum, there was no prevailing societal nor political consensus reached. My feeling is that the best option for brexit proponents would be as a second (binding) referendum on three options (i.e. Out, EU deal or In) as they could split the vote. It seems unlikely that they would ever win support via parliament. |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by Charismatic
(Post 12623850)
Assuming Theresa May won't find support, which seems likely, and Bank of England's forecast for a no-deal scenario is correct I expect we'll see more interest if the UK actually exits the EU. Until then any impact will likely be very limited.
Personally I believe the UK will delay making a final decision on article 50 (i.e. beyond March), probably waiting until the subsequent election or referendum has taken place. There is a democratic dichotomy where the referendum outcome is at odds with the current stated views of elected MPs and those are the only two ways of resolving that difference. The fundamental issue was, subsequent to the referendum, there was no prevailing societal nor political consensus reached. My feeling is that the best option for brexit proponents would be as a second (binding) referendum on three options (i.e. Out, EU deal or In) as they could split the vote. It seems unlikely that they would ever win support via parliament. The first referendum was binding. It was simple... do you want to leave or remain?..... not do you want to leave or remain under circumstances to be agreed later. |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
I was hoping to hear from hopeful migrants, not just to have yet another he said, she said boring, back and forward pointless argument about should they stay or should they go and who's to blame
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re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by Justcol
(Post 12622371)
Just a quick question for those planning on coming over to escape Brexit.
What is it you are hoping to leave behind, and why do you think NZ will be different?? Just curious Ps as an aside a ‘Colin’ in Uk as a ‘Derek’ is in Oz 🤣 |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
To be fair, I have seen a number of would-be immigrants writing that this brexit thing was a motivation to emigrate away from the UK.
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re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by BEVS
(Post 12624656)
To be fair, I have seen a number of would-be immigrants writing that this brexit thing was a motivation to emigrate away from the UK.
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re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by dfjordan
(Post 12624219)
The first referendum was binding. It was simple... do you want to leave or remain?..... not do you want to leave or remain under circumstances to be agreed later. The first referendum was 'advisory only' and NOT binding |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by dfjordan
(Post 12624219)
The first referendum was binding. It was simple... do you want to leave or remain?..... not do you want to leave or remain under circumstances to be agreed later. |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by paddy234
(Post 12623475)
Most people didn't think them to be lies at the time which is why they voted the way they did, as more people wake up to this fact they are more likely to become disheartened by the direction the UK is headed. It's not a nice thing when someone becomes so disheartened they feel they are better off migrating. I wonder if migration here from the UK will swell considerably and i'd be keen to see how the NZ government reacts to it if it did
NZ has already acted by putting in place salary restricted visas allowing only temp visa's, higher points threshold and must have job offer for a more permanent visa. The need for visitor visas come into play this year also |
re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by Justcol
(Post 12624742)
And I was hoping to hear from them, but never mind.
Originally Posted by paddy234
(Post 12623475)
I wonder if migration here from the UK will swell considerably and i'd be keen to see how the NZ government reacts to it if it did
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re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
OK I'll bite. Although we aren't 100% thinking of leaving the UK due to Brexit, we did decide to come back the the UK from Australia (I was there on a Kiwi spouse visa) in part because of the freedoms and opportunities offered by free movement within the EU. The Brexit situation is part of a larger group of reasons we are considering a move to NZ. So first off, we feel like we've had something important to us taken away from both ourselves and our children for their future.
The way things are progressing makes us feel that the UK may not do too well in the next few years. Businesses are closing, and that bloke that owns sports direct is buying half the high street - blerch!! Our children are in a wonderful school, yet it is utterly run down and under maintained thanks to austerity. We fear this will worsen if Brexit goes badly wrong. Although we did not vote for Brexit, if the government had managed the process in an efficient and unified manner we would have felt reassured. Plenty of countries exist outside the EU. As things stand, we've had a very long period of uncertainty and worry about what is going to happen. The divisions created by this process make us feel really sad. Will the UK ever be the same again? My husband and I both run businesses. Would we do better running them in New Zealand? In my husbands case, 100% yes. The issues with the exchange rates has really affected him, so our running costs have gone up with higher import prices and the squeeze on what people are prepared to pay for things over here. We've looked at the margins in NZ, be quite a bit more in it for him there. Hostile environment - talk about feeling unwelcome. With an "immigrant" husband, and reading of all the people being treated so dreadfully by the Home Office it affects my patriotism. This makes me feel maybe I should go adopt another flag. It'd take more than just Brexit to leave the UK for us. An international move is a huge huge undertaking. However, the above is an overview of how Brexit makes us feel as people who do have the option to come to NZ and live. So I hope it helps answer the original question!! |
Re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by elonii
(Post 12626044)
OK I'll bite. Although we aren't 100% thinking of leaving the UK due to Brexit, we did decide to come back the the UK from Australia (I was there on a Kiwi spouse visa) in part because of the freedoms and opportunities offered by free movement within the EU. The Brexit situation is part of a larger group of reasons we are considering a move to NZ. So first off, we feel like we've had something important to us taken away from both ourselves and our children for their future.
The way things are progressing makes us feel that the UK may not do too well in the next few years. Businesses are closing, and that bloke that owns sports direct is buying half the high street - blerch!! Our children are in a wonderful school, yet it is utterly run down and under maintained thanks to austerity. We fear this will worsen if Brexit goes badly wrong. Although we did not vote for Brexit, if the government had managed the process in an efficient and unified manner we would have felt reassured. Plenty of countries exist outside the EU. As things stand, we've had a very long period of uncertainty and worry about what is going to happen. The divisions created by this process make us feel really sad. Will the UK ever be the same again? My husband and I both run businesses. Would we do better running them in New Zealand? In my husbands case, 100% yes. The issues with the exchange rates has really affected him, so our running costs have gone up with higher import prices and the squeeze on what people are prepared to pay for things over here. We've looked at the margins in NZ, be quite a bit more in it for him there. Hostile environment - talk about feeling unwelcome. With an "immigrant" husband, and reading of all the people being treated so dreadfully by the Home Office it affects my patriotism. This makes me feel maybe I should go adopt another flag. It'd take more than just Brexit to leave the UK for us. An international move is a huge huge undertaking. However, the above is an overview of how Brexit makes us feel as people who do have the option to come to NZ and live. So I hope it helps answer the original question!! Great post. |
Re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
Originally Posted by BEVS
(Post 12626834)
BE karma your way for an honest clear quality response.
Great post. |
Re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
There are some of us who put in an EOI significantly before the Brexit vote and are still waiting for Parent Category to open up again.
One reason we applied was because we thought the UK was going down hill, and nothing so far has changed our minds. We didn't anticipate Brexit becoming a thing. There is still no real idea of what is going to happen, if it is going to happen, when it is going to happen, and what we can do about it if anything. This certainly makes NZ look more attractive despite your current terrifying heat wave. I would think that most of the UK population who want to get out from under will probably opt for somewhere in continental Europe with a sympathetic government. Who knows, Brexit may all just be a plan to force emigration by UK Seniors to balance the books and move them to where the cheap carers used to come from before they decided they weren't appreciated any more. |
Re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
No one is saying there will be zero emigration after brexit, just that it will be skilled/controlled. I'm certain nhs staff, builders, fruit pickers etc etc will be on the list - just like nz has got, controlled emigration not mass emigration. It should hopefully bring UK closer to the commonwealth/nz and you never know, it might even help get you over the line with your goal in the future.
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Re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
"The first referendum was binding. ..."
NO! it was not , it was a a pre-legislative advisory referendum. But I take it you are pro exit, and facts can be a little bit difficult for you.... ;] |
Re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
In response to the question; Yes we are totally moving due to 'Exit. We would not even have considered moving house if it were not for 'exit.
After the vote,we started looking for jobs in Europe and Ireland, but came across on in NZ, that fitted, If you got to get a visa every time you go abroad might as well make it worthwhile... Our current house was meant to be our last. But since the result of the pre-legislative advisory referendum, was taken as being “the will of the people”. We have felt that the United Kingdom was no longer home. The rise of the agenda of the (far} right, even among those who call themselves socialists, is appalling, random people shouting racist remarks at others while crossing the road, and much much worse, makes me feel like we are back in the 1970/80s . I have spoken to many about their reasons for voting leave, and they are many , but very few have anything to do with Europe ! I have lived in three of the UKs countries, my wife in four, and it has changed so much since that needless vote. No longer united , but always us and them . For and against, haves and have nots, metropolitan elites verses the rest … etc etc.. I was not in favour of the ref in the first place as I had seen what it had done to Scotland, dividing friends and breaking families Binary votes destroy lives. And the should not be used for such vast complex decisions. ….yet many a lie was swallowed... The assumption of 'exiters that the removal of “freedom of movement” is one way , and just the petty vindictive arrogance of the weatherspoons little englander brigade, “we'll be alright , they need us more than we need them,” mentality. They have selfishly ruined the future for a generation, ' just to hear a little less “foreign” spoken on the bus …', [actual quote of an 'exiter] This is what we wish to leave behind. I know that NZ is not all the propaganda make it out to be, I know it will be hard for our children to settle in a completely different country, but it Will be worth the risk. The Uk will sort itself out It always has, but revolutions never benefit the current generation, It will be 10 to 20 years before this {again , needless} mess, is sorted out, so the move will give our family a chance, new start away from …. all this! Some my say “rats leaving the sinking ship”, but we weren't the ones that pointed all the cannons at the hull … Well you Did ask! Thank you for reading.. PM |
Re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
So, you are leaving because the people on your bus don't speak English. Try taking a bus ride in Auckland.
if you think brexit is complicated wait till you try to get your head around the treaty of waitangi, you're in for a treat. On a serious note, I hope if you make the move you find what you are looking for. My only piece of advice would be leave brexit and the woes it has caused behind. good luck with your plans |
Re: question for those looking to emigrate to NZ from the UK - re. Brexit
"So, you are leaving because the people on your bus don't speak English. Try taking a bus ride in Auckland." We believe in diversity in internationalism and in a no borders Europe. The town we live in is built on Europe and Europeans, NHS Hospital, International University and thriving tourist industry ,all of which will slip down the toilet thanks to ….. !!! It is the Brexiters who want to “take THEIR country back” (to a never existed, english speaking monoculture, which was crime free and blah blah blah , 1950's past} Unfortunately they are in control now, so until they die off we don't feel welcome in our own country, UK is no longer Home. Also, thank you for your kind words regarding settling in NZ Totally intend to leave "it" behind, I feel cleansed already, at least we wont have to see the vile lies on the cover of the Sun and Mail on a daily basis. cheers, pm back to packing ... |
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