NZ citizenship
Apr 5th 2006, 9:42 am
#16
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Re: NZ citizenship
Originally Posted by Dave in Auckland
I think you'd be foolish to choose NZ over UK citizenship if that did become the case. A UK passport confers far more benefits & advantages, don't forget the EU would be closed to you for residence and if you have kids they's be limited to a 2yr OE in Europe/UK. Better to keep NZ PR & a UK PP if a choice had to be made.
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Apr 5th 2006, 11:17 am
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Re: NZ citizenship
Originally Posted by kiwichild
Once you have NZ citizenship you can live and work in OZ if you want to. You can even become an OZ citizen without all this points thing.
Unless you have a sponsoring employer, spouse, relative etc - NZ citizens must now meet the points test too for Australian PR: http://www.nz-oz.gov.au
Apr 6th 2006, 4:58 am
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Re: NZ citizenship
Originally Posted by CPW
But there's really no reason to suppose that a choice would have to be made, so it's an academic question. (Of course, no one can predict the future, but time enough to worry about a hypothetical future conundrum when it comes, surely )
)there are mutterings from the Beehive about exactly that
Apr 6th 2006, 7:20 am
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Re: NZ citizenship
Originally Posted by JAJ
Unless you have a sponsoring employer, spouse, relative etc - NZ citizens must now meet the points test too for Australian PR: http://www.nz-oz.gov.au
3. Do New Zealand citizens need to apply for permanent residence?
The 1973 Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangement allows New Zealand citizens to enter Australia to visit, live and work. You need a valid New Zealand passport to enter Australia.
You are considered to have applied for a visa and, subject to health or character concerns, will automatically receive a Special Category visa (SCV) which is recorded electronically. You do not need to seek a visa before travelling, unless there are medical or character concerns.
New Zealand citizens with medical conditions or criminal convictions should approach the nearest Australian diplomatic office overseas to discuss their entry before travelling to Australia.
As a result of changes announced by the Australian and New Zealand governments on 26 February 2001, some New Zealand citizens will be required to obtain Australian permanent residence if they wish to:
access certain social security payments (subject to the two year eligibility waiting period for most payments);
be eligible for Australian citizenship; or
sponsor people for permanent residence
These changes do not affect New Zealand citizens who:
were in Australia on 26 February 2001 as Special Category visa (SCV) holders
were outside Australia on 26 February 2001, but were in Australia as an SCV holder for at least one year in the two years prior to that date, and subsequently returned here, or
have a certificate, issued under the Social Security Act 1991, stating that they are residing in Australia on a particular date (contact Centrelink for more details).
See:
Fact Sheet 17, New Zealanders in Australia
Centrelink website
Apr 6th 2006, 7:23 am
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Re: NZ citizenship
Originally Posted by kiwichild
This (found on DIMIA website) suggests that NZer's can still live and work in OZ and do not need to take out PR in order to do so:
3. Do New Zealand citizens need to apply for permanent residence?
The 1973 Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangement allows New Zealand citizens to enter Australia to visit, live and work. You need a valid New Zealand passport to enter Australia.
You are considered to have applied for a visa and, subject to health or character concerns, will automatically receive a Special Category visa (SCV) which is recorded electronically. You do not need to seek a visa before travelling, unless there are medical or character concerns.
New Zealand citizens with medical conditions or criminal convictions should approach the nearest Australian diplomatic office overseas to discuss their entry before travelling to Australia.
As a result of changes announced by the Australian and New Zealand governments on 26 February 2001, some New Zealand citizens will be required to obtain Australian permanent residence if they wish to:
access certain social security payments (subject to the two year eligibility waiting period for most payments);
be eligible for Australian citizenship; or
sponsor people for permanent residence
These changes do not affect New Zealand citizens who:
were in Australia on 26 February 2001 as Special Category visa (SCV) holders
were outside Australia on 26 February 2001, but were in Australia as an SCV holder for at least one year in the two years prior to that date, and subsequently returned here, or
have a certificate, issued under the Social Security Act 1991, stating that they are residing in Australia on a particular date (contact Centrelink for more details).
See:
Fact Sheet 17, New Zealanders in Australia
Centrelink website
3. Do New Zealand citizens need to apply for permanent residence?
The 1973 Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangement allows New Zealand citizens to enter Australia to visit, live and work. You need a valid New Zealand passport to enter Australia.
You are considered to have applied for a visa and, subject to health or character concerns, will automatically receive a Special Category visa (SCV) which is recorded electronically. You do not need to seek a visa before travelling, unless there are medical or character concerns.
New Zealand citizens with medical conditions or criminal convictions should approach the nearest Australian diplomatic office overseas to discuss their entry before travelling to Australia.
As a result of changes announced by the Australian and New Zealand governments on 26 February 2001, some New Zealand citizens will be required to obtain Australian permanent residence if they wish to:
access certain social security payments (subject to the two year eligibility waiting period for most payments);
be eligible for Australian citizenship; or
sponsor people for permanent residence
These changes do not affect New Zealand citizens who:
were in Australia on 26 February 2001 as Special Category visa (SCV) holders
were outside Australia on 26 February 2001, but were in Australia as an SCV holder for at least one year in the two years prior to that date, and subsequently returned here, or
have a certificate, issued under the Social Security Act 1991, stating that they are residing in Australia on a particular date (contact Centrelink for more details).
See:
Fact Sheet 17, New Zealanders in Australia
Centrelink website
Apr 6th 2006, 9:38 am
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Re: NZ citizenship
Originally Posted by Dave in Auckland
Actually...
there are mutterings from the Beehive about exactly that
there are mutterings from the Beehive about exactly that
Any more specific references?
There's a difference between "mutterings" and legislation.
Apr 6th 2006, 9:39 am
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Re: NZ citizenship
Originally Posted by kiwichild
It would appear though (from further reading on the website) that NZer's wanting to take out OZ citizenship do now need to apply for PR first.
Apr 6th 2006, 9:42 am
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Re: NZ citizenship
Originally Posted by JAJ
Not just take out Australian citizenship, but PR is also required to access certain welfare benefits or sponsor relatives for permanent residence. It can also affect the citizenship rights of Australia born children.
Apr 8th 2006, 3:06 am
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Re: NZ citizenship
Originally Posted by kiwichild
Once you have NZ citizenship you can live and work in OZ if you want to. You can even become an OZ citizen without all this points thing. You can hold 3 passports quite legally, I do (OZ,NZ,UK).
Many thanks for that info. I have, however, made my choices. NZ accepted us, Oz didn't, and I'm stubborn!
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Apr 11th 2006, 2:39 am
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Re: NZ citizenship
Originally Posted by JAJ
Any more specific references?
There's a difference between "mutterings" and legislation.
There's a difference between "mutterings" and legislation.
