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Old Jun 4th 2018, 12:50 pm
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Hi all,

Been doing a great deal of reading through many of the threads on this forum; it's great to see so many honest, different points of view and just how many people there are on here willing to help and advise! Some of what I'm going to ask has been (kind of) answered in various other threads (and of course there are hundreds of others I haven't read yet - got back to about 2011 in my reading!), but for the sake of my own personal circumstances etc, I'd really like to hear from people who've gone through this/had similar circumstances to my own.

My fiancee (will be wife by the time it comes around!) are seriously hoping to emigrate to NZ (preferably Wellington) next year (possibly September or so); I work in IT and have done for the past 10 years or so (my current role is in infrastructure/network support & design), and my fiancee works in the theatre industry (ticketing/sales etc). Now, although she's really bloody good at what she does, unfortunately her skills/job doesn't come under an area of skills shortage etc. :-( Mine, obviously, DO, so we're going to assume it will probably (cough) be easier for me to get work (either before emigrating or upon arrival) than her.

Now, the questions. I'd be really grateful to hear directly from people in IT who have moved and had to apply for jobs, rather than just general replies about working in NZ. However, I'd be grateful for any relevant feedback or advice, of course!

1) The research I've done so far (in terms of IT jobs/application process etc) has been somewhat mixed, and makes me feel both hopeful and a bit dishearted. I've spoken to quite a few jobs agencies (most of whom are specialist IT firms), and the general consensus seems to be: if you're not already in-country, you won't get a job offer. Now, I'm sure there will be lots of people who've got job offers beforehand, and of course in the months leading up to when we'd like to move, I'll be applying for LOADS of jobs and pestering LOADS of agencies, but I wanted to get feedback from IT peeps about this.

If I can't get a job offer beforehand, then the plan is to apply (in advance) for a visitor visa, go over and look/see/decide (and hopefully get a job quick-ish, and then apply for a work visa, probably SMC). Again, would love to hear from people in IT who've done the same, what their experience was like/how easy it was to find a job/how long it took etc, etc.

2) (This is probably less to do with IT-peeps and more a general q, tho it DOES relate to how long it might take to get a job if coming over without one) - how much money do people think is the minimum to bring over? I'm budgeting (well, WE'RE budgeting) to be able to live fairly comfortably for about 3 months or so without working. Obviously, 'the more the better', but would be nice to hear about how much people think is a sensible amount to have available.

3) Visa applications - let's say that we come over without jobs, I get some interviews in my chosen field and get a job offer. How long (on average) has it taken those of you who have done this to get a visa, and therefore be able to start work? I worry that, in this situation, you might get a job offer from an employer (who is happy to hire someone from overseas), but then is reticent about it due to a visa taking months to be finalised etc. Now, thinking about this logically, it would seem to me that most of the time when hiring someone, they have to give notice at an existing job, so perhaps this is not so much of an issue as I think it might be. Again, though - just want to hear about people's experiences!

I think I'll leave this post there for now, as it's quite a lot of info to ask for. Hope to hear from some of you soon!

Best wishes to all,

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Old Jun 4th 2018, 7:29 pm
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Hey jonboywalton,

Welcome to BE.

I wouldn't count on it being easier for you to land a job here more so than the Mrs. She could walk in to a job virtually immediately where you could struggle for months (depending on your expertise and how desperate employers are for them) BUT for the purposes of actually being able to live and work in NZ then you are the ticket in as Immigration NZ are only interested in people who have qualifications and experience in skilled occupations.

The fact you are getting married doesn't make a blind bit of difference to INZ. What they are very keen on is you being able to prove your partnership so you'll need to provide lots of evidence to prove that you are in a loving stable relationship and have been living together and sharing your life together under the same roof for at least 12 months. You'll need to provide photo's of places and things you've done together, joint utility bills, joint financial things like bank accounts/mortgage/rent etc etc. All goes to prove that you are a couple. Being married and/or having kids together is still evidence that you are a couple but that isn't sufficient proof alone. You need to prove the relationship over a period. Good tip to get on top of this now and start collecting evidence so think about house bills etc - make them joint, make the bank accounts joint, dig the photo's out, keep travel tickets and theatre tickets, wedding invites and all that crap.

Although I don't work in IT, my job involves me working at a desk with 18 screens for a 12hr shift whilst managing the NZ National Grid so all IT based.

(1) NZ is a very small place work wise. If you are going to sign up with a recruitment agent then pick ONE who is specialized in your field and stick with them. You don't want multiple agencies competing for the same jobs for the same person and NZ Employers don't like multiple applications from the same person via different agencies. Once you have picked your agent and have signed up (remember you should not be paying anything) keep your eye on job vacancies and keep them on their toes. Ring the agent/email them to put you forward for roles you have seen. Agents will only work for you if you are a sure bet. They are paid to fill vacancies and strive to carry that out as quickly as possible to maximise their return. They don't wanna be spending hours and hours on the phone with potential employers to try and find you a job when you aren't even living here or have the right to work. Yes, generally, if you are not in the country already then it's unlikely you'll land a job offer. It isn't impossible but unlikely. All depends on your skill set and how desperate an employer is for that skill set.

You don't apply in advance for a visitor visa. The UK is a visa waiver country and you are allowed to visit for up to 6 months, so you basically jump on an airplane with a return ticket and once in the air and prior to arrival in NZ you will be handed a passenger entry card to complete which acts as your visa declaration legal document and in return for this slip of paper Immigration will approve you an electronic conditional visitor visa. Your return trip date should obviously be booked on a date before that visitor visa expires. If you wanted longer then you could possibly apply and pay for a formal visitor visa but it'll only give you a maximum 9 months.
Looking for work is now allowed on a visitor visa although it shouldn't be the main reason that you are visiting as that could be seen as bending the rules. The point of the visa is to be a visitor. Read the conditions carefully.
Lots of people do use this visa to come to NZ to find work.
A few of my colleagues used this visa to come here, visit with potential employers, be interviewed and then stick around while the job offer/work visa process was ongoing.

(2) Very subjective as we are all different in our wants and needs. We were 2 adults and a 13 month old when we arrived. We landed Resident Visas without a job offer but luckily I got a job prior to arrival and started a week after we arrived. We brought along NZ$40 000 to set ourselves up. Couple of cars, a permanent rental property, some new furniture, an appliance or two, mobile phones etc etc. It doesn't stretch far I tell you.
When the parents come for a visit they usually bring NZ$1000 for each week of their stay.

(3) If you are in the country as a visitor and get a job offer it would be wise to go for a temporary work visa - e.g. essential skills etc as the processing for these is much quicker - 4 to 6 weeks maybe whereas a permanent class visa application via SMC would still take several months. Just be mindful that you always need a valid visa to be in NZ so if your visa expiry is looming and your current visa is expiring you need to sit down with Immigration to get advice on your options.

Wellington is fine. Lived there for 2.5 years when we arrived. Didn't suit us 100% so moved North but enjoyed our time there. Worked right in the CBD at the time.

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Boots on ground is the way to go for IT jobs. My husband was banging his head against a brick wall from the UK so he came over on his own for what should of been 3 weeks but actually ended up with a job offer and needed to start immediately so he got a temp work visa and updated his EOI, this was back in 2011 when the criteria and points requirements were lower. Mind you even working in the job it was not easy sailing with Immigration. He had to have his job offer rewritten 3 times before they would approve it.

Saying that someone else I know managed to get a contract job from the UK but that obviously was not a guarantee they would uplift a more permanent visa.

As you are looking for something more than a year away the goal posts are bound to move so any information given out today may not even apply next week. next month etc.

But as escapetonz says you would need to prove a permanent relationship with your partner and provide evidence for that, marriage certificate just won't be enough.

If you are able to get a job offer you could see if there is a temp work visa to enable you to take up the job whilst immigration process your more permanent visa. I had a quick look on immigration web site and could not find one but this is what my husband did back in 2011 and it was just called temporary work visa, dropped it off in the morning and got it back that afternoon - don't think it will be that quick if you can locate a temp one, maybe a few weeks
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EscapedtoNZ - thanks very much for the reply! Have some more questions based on what you've put, so for ease of response I'll do it in order of what you've written.

"The fact you are getting married doesn't make a blind bit of difference to INZ. "

I wasn't saying that in order to suggest that it makes any difference; just statement of 'yay, we are getting married soon'! However, thanks for the info as it's good to know what we might need to have/produce for INZ etc.

"If you are going to sign up with a recruitment agent then pick ONE who is specialized in your field and stick with them."

I've always found (at least in the UK, so obviously I understand if you tell me it's different in NZ!) that it's best to register with lots of different agencies, as even when different ones have the same role available, they run them by you first (and often do ask "has anyone else spoken to you about this role?" if indeed they have a competing agency trying to fill the position). If you think it's best to stick with one, I suppose the approach would be if they aren't getting you any interviews/interest etc, then you can always move to another one?

"You don't apply in advance for a visitor visa. The UK is a visa waiver country and you are allowed to visit for up to 6 months..."

So, I'm aware that the UK is a visa waiver country, but I was told (by INZ) that while you can turn on visa waiver and say that you will also be looking for work/testing the waters etc, you may then not be let into the country. They said in this instance, if you're coming without a work visa and you want to look, that it would be best to apply for a visitor visa beforehand so you can specify in detail your plans and have it approved (and not therefore worry about being denied entry to the country having flown 12000 miles or whatnot!) I was a bit confused by this, as I thought a.) why be able to say (if you're coming in visa waiver) that you're going to be doing x activity, if it can then be denied? Or should you just not say that you'd be looking for work? I raised this with INZ as well (as a hypothetical 'surely people just do this'), and they said that if you do this, and then apply for a work visa, it can show that you're weren't being truthful about your intentions in the first place and can then affect your subsequent approval of any work visa...

I hope that makes sense; I just want to be clear what the best way to enter the country is, in order to look for work, if I don't have a job offer already!

Thanks again!

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EscapedtoNZ - thanks very much for the reply! Have some more questions based on what you've put, so for ease of response I'll do it in order of what you've written.

"The fact you are getting married doesn't make a blind bit of difference to INZ. "

I wasn't saying that in order to suggest that it makes any difference; just statement of 'yay, we are getting married soon'! However, thanks for the info as it's good to know what we might need to have/produce for INZ etc.

"If you are going to sign up with a recruitment agent then pick ONE who is specialized in your field and stick with them."

I've always found (at least in the UK, so obviously I understand if you tell me it's different in NZ!) that it's best to register with lots of different agencies, as even when different ones have the same role available, they run them by you first (and often do ask "has anyone else spoken to you about this role?" if indeed they have a competing agency trying to fill the position). If you think it's best to stick with one, I suppose the approach would be if they aren't getting you any interviews/interest etc, then you can always move to another one?

"You don't apply in advance for a visitor visa. The UK is a visa waiver country and you are allowed to visit for up to 6 months..."

So, I'm aware that the UK is a visa waiver country, but I was told (by INZ) that while you can turn on visa waiver and say that you will also be looking for work/testing the waters etc, you may then not be let into the country. They said in this instance, if you're coming without a work visa and you want to look, that it would be best to apply for a visitor visa beforehand so you can specify in detail your plans and have it approved (and not therefore worry about being denied entry to the country having flown 12000 miles or whatnot!) I was a bit confused by this, as I thought a.) why be able to say (if you're coming in visa waiver) that you're going to be doing x activity, if it can then be denied? Or should you just not say that you'd be looking for work? I raised this with INZ as well (as a hypothetical 'surely people just do this'), and they said that if you do this, and then apply for a work visa, it can show that you're weren't being truthful about your intentions in the first place and can then affect your subsequent approval of any work visa...

I hope that makes sense; I just want to be clear what the best way to enter the country is, in order to look for work, if I don't have a job offer already!

Thanks again!

J
Ok cool. Congratulations on your upcoming nuptials!

I'd stick with the one recruitment agent and if you feel they aren't working for you then drop them and use another.
Initially I signed up with a recruitment agent who specialized in jobs for my field (Hays) and although they found me a suitable vacancy quickly that I subsequently came to be the runner up choice after I was interviewed they then missed a few roles that would have been totally right. After several weeks of questioning them and their non-action I sacked them off and did it myself. After around a month I had two other Skype/Video Conference interviews with two different companies and was offered both roles.
You may find it is better to search and apply for the roles online yourself - via www.seek.co.nz or www.trademe.co.nz or https://nz.indeed.com or compile a list of all the companies you could work for and have a look on their website to see if they have a careers page. When and if you then personally apply you'll most likely be contacted back by a recruitment agent working directly for the company with the vacancy as many companies rely on recruitment agents and don't have their own in house recruitment department.

Just wave this at Immigration when you come through as a visitor.....
https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-...look-for-a-job
No problem if you want to actually pre-apply for a visitor visa and declare your intentions. Just means you will be paying for the privilege and it gives Immigration the option to say No.
You just need to make sure that your majority intention is to be a visitor to do visitor things and as a sideline you'll also be investigating the possibility of a job here. Unlikely you'd be asked, but if you were asked at the border make sure you have a story and evidence to prove your intentions.
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Don't stick with one recruitment agents, go for as many as possible. Basically apply for the relevant jobs on seek.com and customize your CV to emphasise your skills for that role. Different agents get different jobs, if they have the same one it's pretty obvious and most will ask you if you've been submitted for that role already.

It's not dissimilar to the UK, just a smaller market and far less cowboys in recruitment, though they are still as useful as a chocolate teapot.

I've worked in 1/2 a dozen countries, it would be extremely rare to get an offer anywhere for the positions you are after. Really only happens for senior or specialised roles.
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