Campbells

Personally, I do not see consistency in certain aspects of New Zealand. One example is that parents that smack the back of their child’s hand are rushed to court and child “spanking” policies are strict.

On the other hand, it seems that ancient “traditions” of forcing an individual (in this case a 22-year-old female) underwater is acceptable, as it is a “religious” ceremony that supposedly breaks certain Maori curses.

I for one certainly feel that in 2007 this is NOT ACCEPTABLE

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10475430

Beachcombers

Campbells, once again your are talking from where the sun does not sun.

This "acceptable" practice, has resulted in homocide charges being laid, showing that in fact it is not acceptable at all.

Also, can you provide any examples of anyone being taken taken to court for spanking their child?

Campbells

Yes, this is true. New Zealand does not exactly boast the most sunny climate.

In this case is what you mean ? Because the ritual went too far and death was the result.

I quote from the article :
“Anglican Maori Church archdeacon Hone says 'lifting ceremonies' were often used to cleanse victims.”

The word often mean anything ?

There was a case recently where some woman was interrogated by social services but perhaps you didn’t see that one?

Of course the hot topic of the coutry for several months was the "spanking " law that was recently “enforced” against public outcry against it.

But obviously, I just make these things up – in your opinion.

Beachcombers

Nope, missed that one, can you provide a reference so I can read about it?

Campbells

I think I would prefer to stick to the original topic of the post.

Ted Logan

Mate,

give it a break (are you on a personal mission to wind up as many people on this forum as possible)


BTW this sort of thing also happened in the UK

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1788452.stm

Campbells

I really don’t think these sorts of topics are wind-up material, particularly when a 22 year old mother of two is dead as a result.

I re-iterate my point – in comparison to the child spanking

The BBC article you refer to involves so called “muti” murders and the article states whether this would be the first in the UK. Having spent many years in Africa I am well aware of what traditions are still practised and in many cases intertwined with so-called religion. Muti murders are the term used for the murder of someone to use their body parts for traditional medicine and potions.


Therefore, I hope that has clarified the fact that I take the matter quite seriously.

Ted Logan

Don't understand what your getting at here.

This action taken by the police is the same action if a child is smacked, both will be looked at.

I don't see how this is being treated as acceptable as police are treating this as a homicide.

southerner

I don't understand what is the issue?

Is it the law in NZ, or what is acceptable to society?

The law seems pretty straightforward (smacking is now a crime, as is murder or manslaughter).

So that leaves what society thinks, which on the whole can probably be summed up as:
- most of society believes that some smacking is OK
- most of society would think forcing somebody's head under the water against their will as unacceptable.

What is there to discuss???

Sue

Campbells, I am closing this thread. You seem to be making a habit of posting newspapers snippets about extreme examples of behavior here and in the SA forum and I'm unsure of your reasons. You have been repeatedly asked to stop doing this. If a heated discussion about the topics you have highlighted is your intent then perhaps you would be better posting this sort of thing in Take It Outside