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englishinfl Feb 11th 2009 8:57 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by cricket1 (Post 7276204)
Forgot the cream! You can have jam, sugar and cream on yorkshires. It is just a pancake batter after all.

And yes, with roast and gravy. YUM.

Shush! You're all making me hungry, good thing it's only 4 minutes til going home time! ;)

englishinfl Feb 11th 2009 8:58 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by sans (Post 7276207)
I heard :eek: on the news today haha that the unemployment rate was now 1.7 million.............IS THAT ALL :ohmy:

I seem to remember in the 80's... figures of 3 & 4 million unemployed;) and interest rates at 15%..........

See? We're getting it easy now! :D

sans Feb 11th 2009 8:59 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by cricket1 (Post 7276177)
You can eat yorkshires with jam and icing sugar. That's as good as cake.

When we was kids...Mum use to always make too many yorkies :D Just so we could have them cold with butter and sugar on or a dribble of treacle :tounge_smile:

cricket1again Feb 11th 2009 9:00 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by sans (Post 7276207)
I heard :eek: on the news today haha that the unemployment rate was now 1.7 million.............IS THAT ALL :ohmy:

I seem to remember in the 80's... figures of 3 & 4 million unemployed;) and interest rates at 15%..........

Unemployment has been standing at 1.7 million for a long time. They are the ones who have been on the dole for ages and it's those people that the government are trying to make work for their benefits.

sans Feb 11th 2009 9:02 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by englishinfl (Post 7276214)
Shush! You're all making me hungry, good thing it's only 4 minutes til going home time! ;)

Cumberland or Lincolnshire sausages with lashings of buttery mash and onion gravy Mmmmmm

sans Feb 11th 2009 9:05 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by cricket1 (Post 7276223)
Unemployment has been standing at 1.7 million for a long time. They are the ones who have been on the dole for ages and it's those people that the government are trying to make work for their benefits.

In the news last wk they made a big deal on how their 5000 redundancies...And then breifly said that Asda and subway were creating an extra 14000 between them :)

cricket1again Feb 11th 2009 9:07 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by sans (Post 7276236)
In the news last wk they made a big deal on how their 5000 redundancies...And then breifly said that Asda and subway were creating an extra 14000 between them :)

I think it's 7,000 jobs created by supermarkets altogether now.

sans Feb 11th 2009 9:15 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by cricket1 (Post 7276243)
I think it's 7,000 jobs created by supermarkets altogether now.

I heard Asda was 7000 and subway 6000....i laughed when i heard and even 12 yr old daughter commented on the fact that that made more employed then had lost....

All be it, it may not be the sort of jobs some people want......

My builder is moaning he has too much work on. And he's struggling to fit it all in, he left my house yesterday to go sort a job out in Grimsby....Apparently there is a 123 bedroom Hotel going up and he has some of the contract.....Times are so hard Mmmm

Tr1boy Feb 11th 2009 9:53 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 
I never buy a newspaper, ever. If I happen to read one at work, which is rare, I go to the 'World' section first, just to get an overview of what's going on. I watch BBC World News about twice a week.

I feel like I don't need to know what is going on, as really, how does that affect me, and my personal situation? It doesn't, not in any way. I have to keep my ear to ground in terms of what's going on within my profession and its trends, but other than that I don't need to know.

There is so much information that comes to us in various other ways whether we like it or not, I personally can't see the point in seeking out any more news actively.

My parent's (Dad mostly) are always banging on about various things they reads in the Daily Fail, and I keep asking them 'supposing these stories are true, which I doubt they are to the degree they are being reported on by that right wing rag, how do they actually affect your life in deepest darkest Somerset?'. To which they'll huff and puff and say 'well, they don't really', and then I tell them to shut up and go play some bowls. :D

I don't care if Mrs Triboy and I are the only positive people there when we're in the UK, but we'll take comfort in the fact the we have found what we want and what makes us happy, and to be honest I care little for what others think. I've made an oath not to get into any 'state of the nation' conversations with anyone, I'll just walk away or change the subject, same goes for 'why did you come back'.

Just get on with life, be positive (which is much easier when you find the place that gives you inner happines, wherever that is) and know that even if everyone else cannot fathom why you came back, you know why and that's all that counts.:thumbup:


I must say I have made significant progress on the parents/Daily Fail front in the last couple of years. They still read it, but at least acknowledge now that it's 'less than accurate', and my Mum even says, 'it's not the paper it used to be' sounds like it's gone to the dogs if you ask me.:lol:


Forgot to add, this site is always a good pick me up.

http://www.optimistworld.com/

jonfrank123 Feb 11th 2009 8:57 pm

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 
Not only is my business in the Uk doing well, all my UK clients are thriving. I spoke to around 10 prospective clients in the UK yesterday, all of them run off their feet.

Occasionaly I find companies using the economic situation as an excuse not to spend money, but for the most part things are not much different from 2004/05. It's also true that manufacturing as been in decline for 20 years, factories have been closing since the 80's and production moving abroad. The media had no interest in it whatsoever, until now they suddenly have a bee in their bonnet about every job lost.

GagainPEI Feb 11th 2009 10:07 pm

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by sans (Post 7276207)
I heard :eek: on the news today haha that the unemployment rate was now 1.7 million.............IS THAT ALL :ohmy:

I seem to remember in the 80's... figures of 3 & 4 million unemployed;) and interest rates at 15%..........

I remember it well. I didn't emigrate to PEI because I don't like England/Wales, far from it. My DD & SIL came here on holiday & decided there was a better way of life for them & their 2 sons, here in the very rural area where they had stayed & were given a warm welcome by all the locals. I was due to retire & DH had been retired for years, so we decided to go for it. I made a conscious decision not to compare here with the UK & it works for me.

backagen Feb 11th 2009 10:24 pm

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by cricket1 (Post 7275948)
It's funny how many people want to leave Britain because they perceive that's such a bad place to be. It's almost as if they think that it's just the UK that's struggling and that elsewhere is getting it much easier. I know the press are creating such a miserable reality and the weather at the moment is probably making it feel more bleak but the weather here is awful and oppressive plus the news is absolutely miserable.

Despite what anyone else thinks (getting tired of people asking me and telling me now), I am going home because I feel loyal to Britain and I want to help prop it up and help it recover. I have a solid business, self funded, which will create work opportunities and it will be just one of the green shoots of new growth thet help the UK get back on it's feet. I want to be back in England at the worst time so that I can be part of the solution.
The UK does NOT have a problem any worse than anywhere else. The only problem it does have is an attitude that things are so bad that they will never get better and therefore Britain will go to the dogs.
Over my dead body!

Over mine too. The stupid negativity of the British news media is not a new thing, but they do seize on things like the current economic situation and dig up as much miserable, negative dirt on it as possible with the deliberate aim of creating a public belief that things are not only bad (as they always are according to the British media) but they are so bad that there's virtually no hope left.

What is probably needed are some carefully crafted laws to create more viable opportunities for other (non Murdoch/Packer controlled) companies to get into the news industry. Some companies have tried this in the past but were quickly bought out or squashed out by Murdoch and Packer.

I have my own, slightly controversial theory as to why it suits the British government to have a narrowly controlled and negative media and I'm certainly not the only one who thinks so.

It all seems highly suspicious and very sinister to me, but I won't mention the details here because most people wouldn't believe me.

All I'm saying is if you're interested, do some research and make up your own mind

sans Feb 12th 2009 1:44 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by GagainPEI (Post 7277436)
I remember it well. I didn't emigrate to PEI because I don't like England/Wales, far from it. My DD & SIL came here on holiday & decided there was a better way of life for them & their 2 sons, here in the very rural area where they had stayed & were given a warm welcome by all the locals. I was due to retire & DH had been retired for years, so we decided to go for it. I made a conscious decision not to compare here with the UK & it works for me.

:D So how long have you been on PEI???? I dont think anyone moves abroad with the intensions of comparing...Its just human nature to compare old with new ;) Some just end up prefering the old, i guess.

The 70's were pretty bad too...When all the strikes were happening. Both me and my mum were working on the steel works at the time....The only help we could get :eek: was a £5 box of rations wkly....and if i remember right we got £7 aweek strike pay :rofl: But we managed and you do manage.......because you have to :)

GagainPEI Feb 12th 2009 3:28 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 

Originally Posted by sans (Post 7278078)
:D So how long have you been on PEI???? I dont think anyone moves abroad with the intensions of comparing...Its just human nature to compare old with new ;) Some just end up prefering the old, i guess.

The 70's were pretty bad too...When all the strikes were happening. Both me and my mum were working on the steel works at the time....The only help we could get :eek: was a £5 box of rations wkly....and if i remember right we got £7 aweek strike pay :rofl: But we managed and you do manage.......because you have to :)

Hi Sans, we've been here for only 18 months, DD & family 2 & a half years. I left my home town & moved to the far flung outskirts of Greater Manchester, on the Pennines when I married. Then 36 year's later we moved to North Yorks & I worked in Teesside so I became used to not having family on my doorstep & kept in touch with 'phone calls & the occasional visit. The flights back to the UK take about 5 hours (getting off PEI is another matter) so I don't feel too far from close family, not that there's that many left.

When I moved to Teesside my homesickness lasted for over 6 months & I did little but moan & never settled there. The people were lovely though, I just didn't like it but I know I exacerbated my problem by constantly comparing the NE to the NW, hence my resolve not to compare. The move to PEI was a good one & we've made lots of friends. After more than 60 years in England I'd virtually given up on museums, cathedrals etc & I've always hated the theatre. So I am happy with this laid back & slow lifestyle here, the drinks parties, strawberry teas & the New Year levees. That being said I'll be going back to England for my Mum's 90th birthday next year and we're looking forward to it.

Tricia Feb 12th 2009 4:14 am

Re: Why Do people Jump ship?
 
A positive attitude is great but my personal feeling is that this is a very bad time compared to any other recession in my lifetime. I know so many people that are now struggling and even our business has taken a huge knock in the last 6 months, so much so that we are now genuinely concerned, although not quite at panic mode :unsure:

Do you know what I think is so different, it's people's circumstances, I'll try and explain. During my childhood and younger adulthood days I remember Mum's going out to work during difficult times, you know, dinner lady, cleaning, evening work etc etc, I'm sure many of us remember. However, for the last 10 years or so pressure on women to 'work' and not stay at home thas had dubious consequences....i.e increased earnings, more spending power fuelling higher house prices so that now 2 adults incomes are needed in most cases to keep that roof over their heads. So instead of man losing job, woman goes out to help survive the rough times it is now man loses job...oh sh*t...no leeway at all.

Oh yes and it's all very well Asda and the like creating so many jobs but they don't pay enough to replace a skilled man's/woman's wage. Not saying it's right or wrong, just an observation that sometimes we ought to maybe be careful what we wish for ? women's lib is great (I think) but I'm not so sure that we as a society have benefited from it. God that makes me sound like I think all women should be at home in sackcloth and ashes but this traditional role of family/home maker has been severely underated and it's a role that women are so naturally good at damn it and is important to socity's values and morals.


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