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kiwichild Apr 4th 2006 11:02 pm

Re: Returned - now want to move back!!!
 

Originally Posted by YankeemovingAbroad
I wonder why people don't try living 6 months in that country of our dreams just to see it the experience would satisfy the erge moving far away, before we up rooting our lives and follow that dream? Some times we have fallen into a rut and simply need to shake things up abit, its easy to confuse that with needing to do something as drastic as leaving our birth nation.

It could certainly answer alot of questions about our perception of a country while preventing future regrets and having to sacrifice jobs,houses and family and friends. I've always dreamt of living in the UK,maybe so much so that the reality could fall quite short of the dream.I've been told by my english co-workers that England will be a shock for many Americans.It is said that even the small things like customer service is far different in the UK. After a great deal of consideration I have made the decision to spend 6 months in the UK and another two months in Ireland.

Hoping my time in both countries will be enough to full fill my life long dream.If after my travel expedition that desire to live abroad is still strong then its time to take the big step.I think alot of times we visit a place for only a short vacation and conclude what it would be like to live there base on that 2-4 week experience.I believe a 3 month stay in normal circumstances is enough time to tell us everything we need to know about a place.

So when I stay in the UK ,plan to live in a short term apartment with out maid or room service, use mass transit just like the locals do. Will split my time up between two areas,Manchester and outer London. Which ever I like the most the plan is to spend the lion share of time in that place. Same with Ireland,Dublin and will see what other areas I fancy.I must say this plan is due in large part because of all the travel information of the members on this site.It is a big help to learn what to do base on what others have already been through.For that reason if you all were near by I'd have to buy the beer. :beer:

Smart thinking. I hope that at the end of your 'experiment' you feel you can reach a decision that you will be happy with.

best of luck :beer:
PS: Do keep us informed how you get on. I'll have a Lowenbrau or two for ya ;)

dunroving Apr 4th 2006 11:13 pm

Re: Returned - now want to move back!!!
 

Originally Posted by YankeemovingAbroad
I wonder why people don't try living 6 months in that country of our dreams just to see it the experience would satisfy the erge moving far away, before we up rooting our lives and follow that dream? ....:

In a perfect world, a 6-month working vacation (or simply a 6-month vacation) would be the ideal way to test the waters, but for most I think it's just not a practical option. For many professions, and within the immigration procedures of many countries, you can't just take off and work elsewhere for such a short period of time. Also, if you find a way to do the short-term thing and like it, what do you do then? You'd have to return home (under whatever short-term arrangement you'd set up), and start applying for a more long-term visa arrangement (thus costing possibly more than if you'd just moved over on a more permanent basis in the first place).

So, for most people I think "all or none" is the only choice they have. Of course, sometimes it doesn't work out and it can be very expensive in the long run (I know, being a ping - pong - ping (and this summer, - pong) Pom!

In future, if I ever consider living in another country (highly unlikely!), I'll look into short-term exchange or visit visas (as an academic, luckily this is an option for me, though very competitive). I think then I will have the best of both worlds.

Gezza Apr 5th 2006 12:32 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
We think one day we will have to return to the UK for exactly the same reasons you did. We also think we will feel exactly the same as you do now. Scarey isn't it? :scared: :scared: :scared:

I know the feeling. North America is a Better Place to Live than England.
There is no doubt about it. All the arguments against are not strong.
I did exactly the same thing with Canada. One thing however, If you have only been in U.K. 1 year stay here longer. And ask yourself: Whilest you were in US how often did you think of going back to U.K. Like 1 a week or more? And compary it to how often you now think of going there. This should be a good test. :rolleyes:

Englishmum Apr 5th 2006 1:45 am

Re: Returned - now want to move back!!!
 

Originally Posted by dunroving

In future, if I ever consider living in another country (highly unlikely!), I'll look into short-term exchange or visit visas (as an academic, luckily this is an option for me, though very competitive). I think then I will have the best of both worlds.

Yes - many people working in the education sector do have more options than most and can take a 'sabbatical' from time to time.

Dunroving - are you aware that there is a scheme for teachers from Commonwealth countries to do an exchange?

When my children were at their C of E village school in Essex (more than a decade ago - 1994 actually!) one of the teachers had an exchange with her counterpart in an Australian school. They basically swapped homes and jobs for one year, taking their families with them and it was a great success. The Aussie teacher is a noted children's book author (Nette Hilton).

http://www.nettehilton.com

I wouldn't be surprised if the Commonwealth Teacher Exchange (or whatever they call it) also is an option for lecturers in higher education as well.

kt.2006 Apr 5th 2006 3:29 am

Re: Returned - now want to move back!!!
 

Originally Posted by YankeemovingAbroad
I wonder why people don't try living 6 months in that country of our dreams just to see it the experience would satisfy the erge moving far away, before we up rooting our lives and follow that dream? Some times we have fallen into a rut and simply need to shake things up abit, its easy to confuse that with needing to do something as drastic as leaving our birth nation.

It could certainly answer alot of questions about our perception of a country while preventing future regrets and having to sacrifice jobs,houses and family and friends. I've always dreamt of living in the UK,maybe so much so that the reality could fall quite short of the dream.I've been told by my english co-workers that England will be a shock for many Americans.It is said that even the small things like customer service is far different in the UK. After a great deal of consideration I have made the decision to spend 6 months in the UK and another two months in Ireland.

Hoping my time in both countries will be enough to full fill my life long dream.If after my travel expedition that desire to live abroad is still strong then its time to take the big step.I think alot of times we visit a place for only a short vacation and conclude what it would be like to live there base on that 2-4 week experience.I believe a 3 month stay in normal circumstances is enough time to tell us everything we need to know about a place.

So when I stay in the UK ,plan to live in a short term apartment with out maid or room service, use mass transit just like the locals do. Will split my time up between two areas,Manchester and outer London. Which ever I like the most the plan is to spend the lion share of time in that place. Same with Ireland,Dublin and will see what other areas I fancy.I must say this plan is due in large part because of all the travel information of the members on this site.It is a big help to learn what to do base on what others have already been through.For that reason if you all were near by I'd have to buy the beer. :beer:

I think it is a great idea to live 6 months in the country that you want to live in before you embark on emigration. However not many people have that luxury. Just like your dream of living in the UK I had always dreamed of living in Australia since I was a child. I had visited Australia 15 years ago ago and loved it.

However we have been in Australia only 3 months now and are both truly homesick and can't see ourselves wanting to stay. Now if we had simply decided to try to live in Australia for 6 months I would not be homesick as I would know there was an end to it and I would be enjoying myself and not worrying about the future.

Based on what I feel now I should not have emigrated but simply come here for a year, had a great time, and gone back refreshed to the UK. Unfortunately I have sold the house and we have no jobs to go back to.

I think what you will be doing is very sensible as you are going to keep your options open, but the very fact that you will not have made the leap will mean that you will probably not feel the same homesickness that affects a lot of people.

debbie#1 Apr 5th 2006 3:32 am

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Thought this was a great answer. In USA I think about going back to the UK every day. When visiting the UK I compare the differences, and yes the USA has some better qualities but I think about coming back hardly ever. Thanks for bringing this to my attention



Originally Posted by Gezza
I know the feeling. North America is a Better Place to Live than England.
There is no doubt about it. All the arguments against are not strong.
I did exactly the same thing with Canada. One thing however, If you have only been in U.K. 1 year stay here longer. And ask yourself: Whilest you were in US how often did you think of going back to U.K. Like 1 a week or more? And compary it to how often you now think of going there. This should be a good test. :rolleyes:


YankeemovingAbroad Apr 5th 2006 4:24 am

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Originally Posted by chance to be
good idea. you know you'll have lots of people expecting a beer now, dont you! :) enjoy the experience and keep posting
c


Buying a few beers is the least I can do:) I have some time before my travels will begin.Aiming for early fall this year so will experience the real UK and Ireland fall and winters.

kt.2006 Apr 5th 2006 4:57 am

Re: Returned - now want to move back!!!
 

Originally Posted by arkon
Top advice, What has amazed me most by our move is the fact that before we comitted to moving to Oz, we didn't even think about trying a different area in the UK first. Mainly because there was nothing wrong with where we were. As for chasing rainbows your bang on because I can't think of any sane and rational reason why we left the UK now. We've chased our rainbow and like all rainbows you can never reach the end of one and there was certiainly no pot of gold at the end of ours.

I think you have to make emigrate to another country before you can appreciate the UK. When we announced that we were emigrating practically everyone we knew told us how lucky we were to be getting out of the UK, and how it was going downhill, and that they would do the same if they could.

Three families, including ourselves, emigrated to Australia at the same time and now two families are moving back to the UK. I don't remember being dissatisfied with my life in the UK but the media can make you feel like you are living in a war zone. Bad things happen here in Australia as well but they don't get the same media treatment and so people feel safer.

Grass always seems greener somewhere else. My husband's work colleagues (who have never left Australia) were surprised that he came here to live when the UK sounds so exciting, especially with the whole of Europe so close. The reality is they work hard, often in uncomfortably humid conditions, for a fairly low wage, for low vacation allowance, get home after dark and only have the weekends free.

ladylisa Apr 5th 2006 5:22 am

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In 1999 I travelled around the world for a year. It was a true eye opener for me in many ways particularly that I was one of those people who thought that the UK and being British was so boring compared to being Australian or Canadian etc. It wasn't until I travelled that I realised that to an Ozzie I was interesting and they thought they were the boring one. All throughout Asia and Fiji I was a mini superstar for being British and having a Queen. It made me feel very proud of my heritage. I began to appreciate anything old when I was in countries like Oz, NZ and North America. I remember watching a documentary in Oz about Europe and it really made me truly realise what Europeans have and what is on Britain's doorstep. One of the biggest lessons I learned however was that you could still be unhappy and have gripes or troubles living in another country and that is what in the end took any veneer off of emigrating for me. Thank god for that as I read so many posts on these websites that make me think some people have lost a sense of reality. Emigrating is a wonderful experience it changes you in many positive ways but also the reality is that I still have to go the the supermarket, I still have to pay the bills, I still have to clean my house and I will still have days when I feel a little gloomy. Its a hard enough process as it is to find your niche and learn the ways of a culture that you have no frame of reference, and do it alone. I cant help but think that it would benefit many to try to keep some sort of prospective.

YankeemovingAbroad Apr 5th 2006 5:32 am

Re: Returned - now want to move back!!!
 

Originally Posted by arkon
A cunning plan with only one problem, Most people I would think would have to give up their jobs to be able to do a 6 month stint, which personally I think needs to be at least a year to get a decent flavour of the new country. Not many employers would agree to this. But if you don't like your job too much and it would be easy to get re-employment then definately try before you buy.


I agree Arkon, not every person has the option of working short term while spending 6 months in another country. Even I will not be working full time whilst away,instead will continue my employment with current job in USA through fax and other Telex-communication and will not seek employment in Europe.I think for many employees it is possible to take a leave of absence.I also believe its possible to afford maybe a shorter term visit for many people.

3 months instead of 6,if properly plan the funds could be saved up over time(1-2 years).The average 3 month stay for a family of 4 shouldn't cost much more than $12,000-$15,000(6-7.5 thousand pounds) total.Not a bad deal when one adds up visa expenses,and the possible cost of selling everything twice in moving back and forth.More than anything the experience is what could help feed this need to travel and do so with out having to move permanently.

I think many of us who work hard, time to time feel a need to vacation just to get away from everything for a period of time.Of course this could work for some but other people will find that moving is the right thing for them to do.Personally I couldn't imagine wanting to leave the UK and Europe permanently but then again I'm viewing Europe through rose colored glasses and see very few negatives at this point. I know it cost more to buy a home,everything will require more of my money yet Europe still sounds the best deal going.That is what rose colored glasses will do when a place is romanticized.

simongb Apr 5th 2006 8:12 am

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Originally Posted by ladylisa
In 1999 I travelled around the world for a year. It was a true eye opener for me in many ways particularly that I was one of those people who thought that the UK and being British was so boring compared to being Australian or Canadian etc. It wasn't until I travelled that I realised that to an Ozzie I was interesting and they thought they were the boring one. All throughout Asia and Fiji I was a mini superstar for being British and having a Queen. It made me feel very proud of my heritage. I began to appreciate anything old when I was in countries like Oz, NZ and North America. I remember watching a documentary in Oz about Europe and it really made me truly realise what Europeans have and what is on Britain's doorstep. One of the biggest lessons I learned however was that you could still be unhappy and have gripes or troubles living in another country and that is what in the end took any veneer off of emigrating for me. Thank god for that as I read so many posts on these websites that make me think some people have lost a sense of reality. Emigrating is a wonderful experience it changes you in many positive ways but also the reality is that I still have to go the the supermarket, I still have to pay the bills, I still have to clean my house and I will still have days when I feel a little gloomy. Its a hard enough process as it is to find your niche and learn the ways of a culture that you have no frame of reference, and do it alone. I cant help but think that it would benefit many to try to keep some sort of prospective.

I agree with you. You don't know what you have 'til it's gone! For some English people, the thought of leaving the UK and starting a 'new life' in another country/continent is very exciting. They get caught up in the romanticism of it. The reality is very different. One thing I realised about being around other English people (when I go home to the UK) is that we all share a common history-the same TV shows growing up, the same news events that influenced our lives, the same music etc. When I came to the US people would talk about stuff from the 80's that was popular over here and I would be lost. After 14 years I now know what people are talking about when they speak of cultural events from the past, but I only know it intellectually, I have not experienced it, so it's different. The moving abroad TV shows in the UK (you know the ones) are very two dimensional-big house, nice pool, sunshine etc. When you are watching it and it is p***** down outside, you think, 'WOW! I want that', but they don't often mention the other side of moving abroad. The sense of loss, isolation, and now, in my case, having to deal with sick parents who live 3000 miles away. There is something to having family support around you at times like these (I have two sisters and a brother in the UK). That is why I am planning to move back next year and I don't think the streets are paved with gold over there, I am not going for that. One more thing, I think people who have never moved abroad can read this but will still have to go through the experience of emmigrating. There are some lessons in life that you have to experience. You cannot just read them on a website!

YankeemovingAbroad Apr 5th 2006 10:14 am

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Originally Posted by simongb
I agree with you. You don't know what you have 'til it's gone! For some English people, the thought of leaving the UK and starting a 'new life' in another country/continent is very exciting. They get caught up in the romanticism of it. The reality is very different. One thing I realised about being around other English people (when I go home to the UK) is that we all share a common history-the same TV shows growing up, the same news events that influenced our lives, the same music etc. When I came to the US people would talk about stuff from the 80's that was popular over here and I would be lost. After 14 years I now know what people are talking about when they speak of cultural events from the past, but I only know it intellectually, I have not experienced it, so it's different. The moving abroad TV shows in the UK (you know the ones) are very two dimensional-big house, nice pool, sunshine etc. When you are watching it and it is p***** down outside, you think, 'WOW! I want that', but they don't often mention the other side of moving abroad. The sense of loss, isolation, and now, in my case, having to deal with sick parents who live 3000 miles away. There is something to having family support around you at times like these (I have two sisters and a brother in the UK). That is why I am planning to move back next year and I don't think the streets are paved with gold over there, I am not going for that. One more thing, I think people who have never moved abroad can read this but will still have to go through the experience of emmigrating. There are some lessons in life that you have to experience. You cannot just read them on a website!

I agree with your thoughts and especially the last sentence.

arkon Apr 5th 2006 10:26 am

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Originally Posted by kt.2006
I think it is a great idea to live 6 months in the country that you want to live in before you embark on emigration. However not many people have that luxury. Just like your dream of living in the UK I had always dreamed of living in Australia since I was a child. I had visited Australia 15 years ago ago and loved it.

However we have been in Australia only 3 months now and are both truly homesick and can't see ourselves wanting to stay. Now if we had simply decided to try to live in Australia for 6 months I would not be homesick as I would know there was an end to it and I would be enjoying myself and not worrying about the future.

Based on what I feel now I should not have emigrated but simply come here for a year, had a great time, and gone back refreshed to the UK. Unfortunately I have sold the house and we have no jobs to go back to.

I think what you will be doing is very sensible as you are going to keep your options open, but the very fact that you will not have made the leap will mean that you will probably not feel the same homesickness that affects a lot of people.

I completely understand your situation, we too sold our business which was also my career. Also sold a great house with no chance now of getting back on the ladder at the same point. If we had have lived here for 6 months first and had it been the same 6 months as our 1st 6 then there is noway on earth we would have sold everything to chase this particular rainbow.

YankeemovingAbroad Apr 5th 2006 11:58 am

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I don't think there are only a few ways to chasing the dream of living in a different country .Which ever way that works at the time after considerable thought is the direction to take . There are no guarantee's whether a person were to do as I ,by spending 6 months visiting or packs up everything and take the plung immigrating over.Its a crap shoot either way but I rather take the chance by venturing the move or visit, than to wonder why I didn't at least follow the dream years later. Money comes and go but the memory of having achieve your dream will be with you for life.

dunroving Apr 5th 2006 12:59 pm

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Originally Posted by Englishmum
Yes - many people working in the education sector do have more options than most and can take a 'sabbatical' from time to time.

Dunroving - are you aware that there is a scheme for teachers from Commonwealth countries to do an exchange?

When my children were at their C of E village school in Essex (more than a decade ago - 1994 actually!) one of the teachers had an exchange with her counterpart in an Australian school. They basically swapped homes and jobs for one year, taking their families with them and it was a great success. The Aussie teacher is a noted children's book author (Nette Hilton).

http://www.nettehilton.com

I wouldn't be surprised if the Commonwealth Teacher Exchange (or whatever they call it) also is an option for lecturers in higher education as well.

Thanks, EM, I've bookmarked that for when I get itchy feet in a year's time (now see what you've done!)


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