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Re: The Real NHS
There's talk of strike action at my wife's hospital, they are making redundant up to 100 admin staff and they are restructuring wards, closing beds, getting staff to reapply for their jobs, it's extremely stressful to everyone, it's been like this for the last couple of years now.
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Pit Bull.
(Post 10308407)
There's talk of strike action at my wife's hospital, they are making redundant up to 100 admin staff and they are restructuring wards, closing beds, getting staff to reapply for their jobs, it's extremely stressful to everyone, it's been like this for the last couple of years now.
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 10309322)
Just like Queensland health then....except here it is nursing staff being chopped
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 10309322)
Just like Queensland health then....except here it is nursing staff being chopped
There's been three rounds of nursing redundancies at my wife's hospital, front line nursing numbers are at a record low, i think its UK wide, it's good advice for nurses looking at migrating, Queensland isn't the place to head at present, but there's plenty of other areas and states that nurses are sought after. |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Pit Bull.
(Post 10310050)
There's been three rounds of nursing redundancies at my wife's hospital, front line nursing numbers are at a record low, i think its UK wide, it's good advice for nurses looking at migrating, Queensland isn't the place to head at present, but there's plenty of other areas and states that nurses are sought after.
Im not sure if it UK wide, a quick search shows over 600 nursing job vacancies in the Herefordshire region. I would hazzard a guess and say there are also job vacancies all over Australia but a common misconception is that there are no jobs in this country. |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by chris955
(Post 10310115)
Unfortunately it is also happening in NSW and South Australia as I understand it.
Im not sure if it UK wide, a quick search shows over 600 nursing job vacancies in the Herefordshire region. I would hazzard a guess and say there are also job vacancies all over Australia but a common misconception is that there are no jobs in this country. I saw a programme a couple of months back that showed a lot of hospitals up and down the country are massively in debt and are looking at cutting costs, plus front line nursing staff numbers are at an all time low, obviously it's not every hospital, but nurses morale is at an all time low in general. |
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If the NHS is anything like the part of the public sector I'm working in, these vacancies aren't new positions. Senior people are retiring early or being made redundant. They are then replaced with part-time staff, junior staff, and fewer staff.
We lost three people last year, one very senior. They have been (will be) replaced only by two staff, both at the most junior level. Also, advertising and interviewing is deliberately dragged out so the university saves money during the extended period between when people leave and ther replacements start. In the meantime, we have to work extra hard to cover the gaps. that's the reality of the situation from my own experience in the public sector. |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by dunroving
(Post 10310221)
If the NHS is anything like the part of the public sector I'm working in, these vacancies aren't new positions. Senior people are retiring early or being made redundant. They are then replaced with part-time staff, junior staff, and fewer staff.
We lost three people last year, one very senior. They have been (will be) replaced only by two staff, both at the most junior level. Also, advertising and interviewing is deliberately dragged out so the university saves money during the extended period between when people leave and ther replacements start. In the meantime, we have to work extra hard to cover the gaps. that's the reality of the situation from my own experience in the public sector. |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Pit Bull.
(Post 10310227)
but you have to work in the NHS to fully understand how bad it is.
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 10310344)
I did....for nearly 40 years and it is lightyears better than the mickey mouse service over here.
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by dunroving
(Post 10310348)
Do you mean the quality of medical care is better in the UK than the US, or just more widely available and less likely to bankrupt you?
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 10310371)
I am in Australia
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Pit Bull.
(Post 10310050)
There's been three rounds of nursing redundancies at my wife's hospital, front line nursing numbers are at a record low, i think its UK wide, it's good advice for nurses looking at migrating, Queensland isn't the place to head at present, but there's plenty of other areas and states that nurses are sought after.
Which jobs and at what hospitals will have to remain anonymous. |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by dunroving
(Post 10310221)
If the NHS is anything like the part of the public sector I'm working in, these vacancies aren't new positions. Senior people are retiring early or being made redundant. They are then replaced with part-time staff, junior staff, and fewer staff.
We lost three people last year, one very senior. They have been (will be) replaced only by two staff, both at the most junior level. Also, advertising and interviewing is deliberately dragged out so the university saves money during the extended period between when people leave and ther replacements start. In the meantime, we have to work extra hard to cover the gaps. that's the reality of the situation from my own experience in the public sector. A 40 hour employee leaves, Their eight hour shift becomes two four hour shifts, that way you have more flexibility for scheduling at busy times, OK so that makes good business sense, but its not good for employees as they hire 2 or 3 people to do those 4 hours shifts, As a manager I was told not to schedule them too many hours, that way none of the new hires get medical and other benefits, plus it takes them many years longer to work up the pay scale, saving the company lots of money... Of course that's not good enough for the greedy, they decide to install scanners so that the general public can check themselves out, Oh How Fun!, putting more people out of work and putting that money in their piggy bank, I know some people like self check but what kind of a discount do you get for that, not even 1%, so you are now an unpaid employee, this is the greedy at work, they will do anything to save a buck, Self check has put thousands out of work, and on welfare, of course we the tax payers fork out for that, so how much have we really saved... I remember when scanners were first introduced, people were concerned they may lose their jobs, they were told they wouldn't, but that wasn't really the truth was it... |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by dunroving
(Post 10310396)
In that case, "Do you mean the quality of medical care is better in the UK than in Australia, or just more widely available and less likely to bankrupt you?"
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Fish n Chips 56
(Post 10310727)
That's how its been in the retail trade for over thirty years, I'm not kidding...
A 40 hour employee leaves, Their eight hour shift becomes two four hour shifts, that way you have more flexibility for scheduling at busy times, OK so that makes good business sense, but its not good for employees as they hire 2 or 3 people to do those 4 hours shifts, As a manager I was told not to schedule them too many hours, that way none of the new hires get medical and other benefits, plus it takes them many years longer to work up the pay scale, saving the company lots of money... Of course that's not good enough for the greedy, they decide to install scanners so that the general public can check themselves out, Oh How Fun!, putting more people out of work and putting that money in their piggy bank, I know some people like self check but what kind of a discount do you get for that, not even 1%, so you are now an unpaid employee, this is the greedy at work, they will do anything to save a buck, Self check has put thousands out of work, and on welfare, of course we the tax payers fork out for that, so how much have we really saved... I remember when scanners were first introduced, people were concerned they may lose their jobs, they were told they wouldn't, but that wasn't really the truth was it... |
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Im not sure how self checkouts have resulted in 1000's of job losses, I dont know about Australia but most of the big supermarkets here have been employing more people.
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Re: The Real NHS
The public sector in this country has finally caught up and is going through what the private sector has been doing for years....restructuring and streamlining to be able to survive and continue in some shape or form, while attempting to support an ageing and burgeoning population.
Yes NHS staff deserve better, the redundancies and pressure on clinical staff in hospitals stinks, but as far as I can see there is no alternative. I still believe the crucial elements of service we receive in our hospitals are fantastic. My experiences in the UK were having a very ill father who eventually died in hospital after receiving palliative care and a son who required surgery at a young age, both times the clinical treatment and nursing care were second to none. Go to many places in Europe and be admitted to hospital, and you would be expected to bring a friend or relative with you to undertake the majority of your nursing care. |
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I have to agree, my son broke his arm about 7 weeks ago now and the care he received was fantastic, hardly any waiting and amazing staff. The system isnt perfect and is being stretched but certainly around here there are no signs of lack of staff or bad 'service'.
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Re: The Real NHS
If you peruse the recreation and leisure literature from 30 or so years ago, it was full of predictions that technology and automation would make our jobs easier and we'd all be taking lseisurely 3-day or 4-day "weekends". The reality has been that we are simply expected to be more productive in our 5 days (ha! Can't remember my last 5-day work week), that we are employed part-time to do a full week's work, that we now work on the train to work, via our laptops and smart phones, and/or that fewer peple are employed to achieve what more people were achieving before all this technology made our tasks easier.
Oh, and I forgot one more thing - we now have to spend 50% of our time writing reports and evaluations and blue-sky thinking strategies instead of actually getting on with the job. NHS (I just put that in there so the post wasn't off-topic!) And yes, before anyone points out the bleedin' obvious, I know Australia is probably the same! |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by dunroving
(Post 10311011)
If you peruse the recreation and leisure literature from 30 or so years ago, it was full of predictions that technology and automation would make our jobs easier and we'd all be taking lseisurely 3-day or 4-day "weekends". The reality has been that we are simply expected to be more productive in our 5 days (ha! Can't remember my last 5-day work week), that we are employed part-time to do a full week's work, that we now work on the train to work, via our laptops and smart phones, and/or that fewer peple are employed to achieve what more people were achieving before all this technology made our tasks easier.
Oh, and I forgot one more thing - we now have to spend 50% of our time writing reports and evaluations and blue-sky thinking strategies instead of actually getting on with the job. NHS (I just put that in there so the post wasn't off-topic!) It would be interesting to see how much more of our health/education budgets are now spent on the additional support staff required to undertake audits/evaluations etc than 10 years ago? |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by chris955
(Post 10311000)
Im not sure how self checkouts have resulted in 1000's of job losses, I dont know about Australia but most of the big supermarkets here have been employing more people.
Mind you, how come I never see any of these extra employed people when I'm in the supermarket spending my meager wedge? Anyway, back to the NHS. |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by chris955
(Post 10311000)
Im not sure how self checkouts have resulted in 1000's of job losses, I dont know about Australia but most of the big supermarkets here have been employing more people.
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Fish n Chips 56
(Post 10311060)
Im talking about American Supermarkets and DIY stores, all the large chains have a minimum of 4 self check outs, many have 6 or 8 and with one person to watch over the 4-6-8 customers, add it up, its Thousands of jobs... Shops in the UK are doing it too, Im not sure about other countries but I doubt they would not jump on board, its Free Labour...
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by TheArmChairDetective
(Post 10311033)
Hmm, With Part Time Working being the new Full time working,let's hope the 2,200 who just got made redundant with JJB Sports can all get jobs with Aldi.
Mind you, how come I never see any of these extra employed people when I'm in the supermarket spending my meager wedge? Anyway, back to the NHS. |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Fish n Chips 56
(Post 10311060)
Im talking about American Supermarkets and DIY stores, all the large chains have a minimum of 4 self check outs, many have 6 or 8 and with one person to watch over the 4-6-8 customers, add it up, its Thousands of jobs... Shops in the UK are doing it too, Im not sure about other countries but I doubt they would not jump on board, its Free Labour...
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by chris955
(Post 10311379)
What a bizarre post :confused:
Have you not heard who has been made redundant this week and who has announced job placements, or was you post about supermarkets a stab in the dark? Or was it the bit about my meager funds :D
Originally Posted by Zen10
(Post 10311421)
The automated tills are indeed a great way for megamarts to pay for one person to mind 8 tills. Funnily enough though when these were brought in prices didn't go down in reflection of their lower overheads.
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by TheArmChairDetective
(Post 10311435)
Why?
Have you not heard who has been made redundant this week and who has announced job placements, or was you post about supermarkets a stab in the dark? Or was it the bit about my meager funds :D Hopefully after the cost of the automated till is recovered the same outlets will reflect the lower overheads in their pricing structure. But I won't hold my breath. I doubt prices dropped, but how will we ever know, Back to the subject at hand, The NHS... |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Fish n Chips 56
(Post 10311695)
Back to the subject at hand, The NHS...
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Fish n Chips 56
(Post 10311695)
Back to the subject at hand, The NHS...
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by chris955
(Post 10311732)
Yes, we had another visit to the local hospital today for my son to have an xray and have some stitches removed, minimal wait and fantastic nurses. :thumbsup:
It's likely they weren't nurses mate, they have them dressed looking like nurses, but they have trained up a lot of auxiliary staff to do jobs like this, they are called care assistants, they also take blood, put canullars in, do ESGs etc, it's saved millions for the hospitals, but it means there's far less front line nurses. |
Re: The Real NHS
Interesting newspiece recently on the overprescription of benzos and sleeping pills:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinio...cle3554280.ece - In the US, this can be explained by backhanders from the drug companies, but in the NHS, I wonder whether it is just a simpler way to get the patient in and out within the allocated 10 minutes per patient visit? Although you can't really question the accuracy of the statistics on number of prescriptions, I haven't see any systematic evidence supporting the widespread addiction and serious side effects described here. Makes good newsprint, I suppose. - Sorry, just realised you need a subscription to the Times in order to read the full article. Much as I am reluctant to post anything from the Daily Wail, they also published an article on the subject, as did the Express: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...cted-to-valium http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...phie%2BBorland |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Pit Bull.
(Post 10311739)
they are called care assistants, they also take blood, put canullars in, do ESGs etc.
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 10311998)
Well as I was lecturer in Nursing I would like you to provide some evidence of this
I'm not saying every hospital is like this, or every area, but there has been a huge shift in this direction, so the wife says. |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 10311998)
Well as I was lecturer in Nursing I would like you to provide some evidence of this
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Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Pit Bull.
(Post 10311739)
It's likely they weren't nurses mate, they have them dressed looking like nurses, but they have trained up a lot of auxiliary staff to do jobs like this, they are called care assistants, they also take blood, put canullars in, do ESGs etc, it's saved millions for the hospitals, but it means there's far less front line nurses.
I have no real issue with trained auxiliaries doing basic stuff to be honest, much of it isnt rocket surgery :D |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 10311998)
Well as I was lecturer in Nursing I would like you to provide some evidence of this
Maybe our nurses have to have such an in depth knowledge of the subject to pass all the required exams, that the basics get overlooked as suggested in today's news. Certainly they, like the rest of us, have to work under today's "Do more with less" culture Who knows, I just get confused by all the different coloured uniforms so I just call them all nurse :D |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by TheArmChairDetective
(Post 10312724)
Interestingly enough, the NHS is all over the news in the UK this morning with a demand for nursing to go back to basics with things like re-introducing ward rounds. quoting examples like this
Maybe our nurses have to have such an in depth knowledge of the subject to pass all the required exams, that the basics get overlooked as suggested in today's news. Certainly they, like the rest of us, have to work under today's "Do more with less" culture Who knows, I just get confused by all the different coloured uniforms so I just call them all nurse :D The system is exactly the same here in Australia or in the US or any other western country.....why is this peculiar to the NHS?:confused: |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by Grayling
(Post 10312761)
I am not sure what point you are trying to make?:confused:
The system is exactly the same here in Australia or in the US or any other western country.....why is this peculiar to the NHS?:confused: |
Re: The Real NHS
Originally Posted by chris955
(Post 10312764)
Exactly, very confusing.
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