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gunner Feb 7th 2004 4:27 am

Moving back to the UK for this?
 
PRICED OUT OF THE MARKET

Public sector workers are being priced out of the property market across most of the UK, a new report has claimed.

Nurses cannot afford to buy their own home in 78% of towns, the Halifax research has shown.


Police officers are priced out of the market in 63% of places, while property is unaffordable for teachers in 62%.

Britain's biggest mortgage lender says the average UK house price of £139,716 is now almost six times higher than the average nurse's salary of £24,000.

Unsurprisingly the problem is worst in London, where the average cost of a property is £232,421 - the equivalent to more than eight times a nurse's salary and nearly seven times a teacher's.

Things are not much better in the South East, where property costs around £199,328.

The Halifax found that the problem has now spread to the South West, East Anglia and the East and West Midlands.

Even though property remains largely affordable in Wales, the North, North West and Yorkshire and the Humber, soaring house prices in these regions during 2003 are stretching house price to earnings ratios.

However, the Government said more than 7,000 key workers had so far bought homes through its Starter Home Initiative.

This gives help to people in London and the South East and housing hot spots in Eastern and South West England.

Alexandra Feb 7th 2004 4:38 am

You've already posted it on another forum along with a lot of other things. Please don't take it personally, but it looks as if you are actually flooding the forum. It's hard to find information among a multitude of copy/pastes from different sites.

dugongs Feb 7th 2004 5:46 am

Re: Moving back to the UK for this?
 
This is a load of rubbish imho. Typical poorly researched scary UK tabloid story.

The average house price is totally irrelevant to first time buyers as most of us have to start with a small house or flat in a secondary area. It is still possible to buy flats in and around London for less than £100,000.

Average salaries for nurses in UK is apparently £25,000. Policeman over £30,000. Teachers in London would start on a salary of between £21k to £30k. Average salaries for teachers £30k (not to mention the 3 months of paid leave they all enjoy and the generous tax payer funded pension scheme). Its just a load of rubbish that on these salaries you cannot afford to buy somewhere. The government are also bending over backwards giving these people interest free loans of up to £100,000 in London.

The real issue is not these so called key workers its all the rest of the poor sods who hav'nt bought a house and do not have access to the high salaries and generous aid schemes provided.

Its also naive to pick on the UK as house prices have risen to high levels all over the western world. Its probably more of an issue overseas as the salaries may be lower and interest rate deals on mortgages far higher than uk.





Originally posted by gunner
PRICED OUT OF THE MARKET

Public sector workers are being priced out of the property market across most of the UK, a new report has claimed.

Nurses cannot afford to buy their own home in 78% of towns, the Halifax research has shown.


Police officers are priced out of the market in 63% of places, while property is unaffordable for teachers in 62%.

Britain's biggest mortgage lender says the average UK house price of £139,716 is now almost six times higher than the average nurse's salary of £24,000.

Unsurprisingly the problem is worst in London, where the average cost of a property is £232,421 - the equivalent to more than eight times a nurse's salary and nearly seven times a teacher's.

Things are not much better in the South East, where property costs around £199,328.

The Halifax found that the problem has now spread to the South West, East Anglia and the East and West Midlands.

Even though property remains largely affordable in Wales, the North, North West and Yorkshire and the Humber, soaring house prices in these regions during 2003 are stretching house price to earnings ratios.

However, the Government said more than 7,000 key workers had so far bought homes through its Starter Home Initiative.

This gives help to people in London and the South East and housing hot spots in Eastern and South West England.

Gremlin Feb 7th 2004 7:02 am

Re: Moving back to the UK for this?
 

Originally posted by dugongs
This is a load of rubbish imho. Typical poorly researched scary UK tabloid story.

The average house price is totally irrelevant to first time buyers as most of us have to start with a small house or flat in a secondary area. It is still possible to buy flats in and around London for less than £100,000.

Average salaries for nurses in UK is apparently £25,000. Policeman over £30,000. Teachers in London would start on a salary of between £21k to £30k. Average salaries for teachers £30k (not to mention the 3 months of paid leave they all enjoy and the generous tax payer funded pension scheme). Its just a load of rubbish that on these salaries you cannot afford to buy somewhere. The government are also bending over backwards giving these people interest free loans of up to £100,000 in London.

The real issue is not these so called key workers its all the rest of the poor sods who hav'nt bought a house and do not have access to the high salaries and generous aid schemes provided.

Its also naive to pick on the UK as house prices have risen to high levels all over the western world. Its probably more of an issue overseas as the salaries may be lower and interest rate deals on mortgages far higher than uk.
The starting salary for a newly qualified nurse is £16,525, rising to £21,325 for top level E grade (this will take a minimum of 7 years after training to achieve) and 6% of this is deducted in pension contributions. The average salary of which you speak (£25,000) is only payable to G grades - Ward Managers.

Local authorities are responsible for setting the amount of grant, but it rarely exceeds £30,000 - £50,000 for people in London and is a mere £20,000 for those outside London.

3 times starting salary for a nurse gives a mortgage of £49,575 add on the £20,000 grant and you have a budget of £69,575. That won't buy anything much anywhere nowadays. You will need to have a deposit of £40,000 to even justify begining looking for a property.

Gladrags Feb 7th 2004 9:28 am

Re: Moving back to the UK for this?
 

Originally posted by gunner
PRICED OUT OF THE MARKET

Public sector workers are being priced out of the property market across most of the UK, a new report has claimed.

Nurses cannot afford to buy their own home in 78% of towns, the Halifax research has shown.


Police officers are priced out of the market in 63% of places, while property is unaffordable for teachers in 62%.

Britain's biggest mortgage lender says the average UK house price of £139,716 is now almost six times higher than the average nurse's salary of £24,000.

Unsurprisingly the problem is worst in London, where the average cost of a property is £232,421 - the equivalent to more than eight times a nurse's salary and nearly seven times a teacher's.

Things are not much better in the South East, where property costs around £199,328.

The Halifax found that the problem has now spread to the South West, East Anglia and the East and West Midlands.

Even though property remains largely affordable in Wales, the North, North West and Yorkshire and the Humber, soaring house prices in these regions during 2003 are stretching house price to earnings ratios.

However, the Government said more than 7,000 key workers had so far bought homes through its Starter Home Initiative.

This gives help to people in London and the South East and housing hot spots in Eastern and South West England.
Yes. Thanks for asking. :rolleyes:

Merlot Feb 7th 2004 9:40 am

Is this in your experience?
 
Hi Gunner

Let us know what YOU are facing over there, I saw this info on Sky News and it is not relevant to me as I don't plan to buy.

To be honest it is the same situation here in Sydney and now on NSW Central Coast, over priced housing market and first tiem buyers struggling.

Don't forget, the posters like experience over cut & paste. It shows that you have thoughts about it.

Cheers
Merlot

dotty Feb 7th 2004 9:43 am

Re: Is this in your experience?
 
Gunner the situation in many parts of OZ is exactly the same for those on an aussie wage.

Pollyana Feb 7th 2004 11:39 am


Policeman over £30,000.
How about the poor "support staff" - all those civilians doing the jobs that police officers used to do, including most of the office based stuff. £30,000 is a total fantasy for them.......more likely to be earning around £15,000-£18,000.

When I left Sussex most of the support staff were earning less than £20,000....but the cheapest property for sale in Brighton was £90,000.......and that was a bedsit.

iaink Feb 7th 2004 11:56 am

Re: Is this in your experience?
 

Originally posted by Merlot
Hi Gunner

Let us know what YOU are facing over there, I saw this info on Sky News and it is not relevant to me as I don't plan to buy.

To be honest it is the same situation here in Sydney and now on NSW Central Coast, over priced housing market and first tiem buyers struggling.

Don't forget, the posters like experience over cut & paste. It shows that you have thoughts about it.

Cheers
Merlot
Average houshold income in Canada $64.5k
Average canadian house price $168k

Average british house price 147k GPB
Average british household income 23.5k GPB


My experience in rural ontario, about 120miles from Toronto, 1300sq ft 3 bed house on 3/4 acre overlooking beautiful river, $130k, just over twice my salary as an engineer. I left the UK cos I couldnt afford to buy a house, and now I fear I will never afford to be able to go back.

I have no idea how teachers or nurses ever get a place of there own in the UK without parental or other financial aid.

Iain


Sources
http://www2.ccnmatthews.com/scripts/.../0317027n.html

http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2003/05/home.html

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/cgi-bin/new...ews_story.html

http://www.thegoodwebguide.co.uk/cha...gory_id=000119

flashman Feb 7th 2004 2:38 pm

Re: Is this in your experience?
 

Originally posted by iaink
Average houshold income in Canada $64.5k
Average canadian house price $168k

Average british house price 147k GPB
Average british household income 23.5k GPB


My experience in rural ontario, about 120miles from Toronto, 1300sq ft 3 bed house on 3/4 acre overlooking beautiful river, $130k, just over twice my salary as an engineer. I left the UK cos I couldnt afford to buy a house, and now I fear I will never afford to be able to go back.

I have no idea how teachers or nurses ever get a place of there own in the UK without parental or other financial aid.

Iain


Sources
http://www2.ccnmatthews.com/scripts/.../0317027n.html

http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2003/05/home.html

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/cgi-bin/new...ews_story.html

http://www.thegoodwebguide.co.uk/cha...gory_id=000119
According to http://www.upmystreet.com 144,000 GBP would only buy you a semi detached.

For $168K in Canada you could probably get a detached with finished basement, 2 toilets, shower/bathroom, 3 bedrooms, finished kitchen, living room.

JayJay Feb 7th 2004 6:56 pm

Re: Moving back to the UK for this?
 

Originally posted by gunner
PRICED OUT OF THE MARKET

Public sector workers are being priced out of the property market across most of the UK, a new report has claimed.

Nurses cannot afford to buy their own home in 78% of towns, the Halifax research has shown.


Police officers are priced out of the market in 63% of places, while property is unaffordable for teachers in 62%.

Britain's biggest mortgage lender says the average UK house price of £139,716 is now almost six times higher than the average nurse's salary of £24,000.

Unsurprisingly the problem is worst in London, where the average cost of a property is £232,421 - the equivalent to more than eight times a nurse's salary and nearly seven times a teacher's.

Things are not much better in the South East, where property costs around £199,328.

The Halifax found that the problem has now spread to the South West, East Anglia and the East and West Midlands.

Even though property remains largely affordable in Wales, the North, North West and Yorkshire and the Humber, soaring house prices in these regions during 2003 are stretching house price to earnings ratios.

However, the Government said more than 7,000 key workers had so far bought homes through its Starter Home Initiative.

This gives help to people in London and the South East and housing hot spots in Eastern and South West England.

Gunner
I'm trying to work out from your various posts if you are happy you moved out of the UK or not.
In the other section you have some posts which are quite nostalgic about the UK, yet on the 'Moving back to UK' forum you seem to be quite critical of it.
(There again my wife is always accusing me of being an Ameteur Psychologist and analysing everything to the nth degree)
Hope your move works out for you, if not you can always join the returnees, of which I hope to be one very soon (Haste the Day)

gunner Feb 8th 2004 4:16 am

Re: Moving back to the UK for this?
 

Originally posted by JayJay
Gunner
I'm trying to work out from your various posts if you are happy you moved out of the UK or not.
In the other section you have some posts which are quite nostalgic about the UK, yet on the 'Moving back to UK' forum you seem to be quite critical of it.
(There again my wife is always accusing me of being an Ameteur Psychologist and analysing everything to the nth degree)
Hope your move works out for you, if not you can always join the returnees, of which I hope to be one very soon (Haste the Day)

Mate,

Your wife is right ! At the end of the day, am only human, yes there are things that i miss about London, its a city i know like the back of my hand, every short cut, street and corner, i guess you can say am a knowledge guy, that never took the cabby test :-)

On a serious note, i made the decision to join my wife here in canada, and am not going back on that now, its not being critical, its just re-evaluating the situation of things back home.

I love England, and it will always be my country, and am proud to fly the flag.

cheers

ps: may be you should take a course in psychology, just be careful of the damage you might cause on your relationship !

janeyray Feb 8th 2004 12:15 pm

Re: Moving back to the UK for this?
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by gunner

No, we are moving beack to be with family and close friends. Get back to normality. The price of houses isn't an issue, it's expensive yes but it's the least of our worries.:rolleyes:

Merlot Feb 8th 2004 4:39 pm

Re: Moving back to the UK for this?
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by janeyray

Originally posted by gunner

No, we are moving beack to be with family and close friends. Get back to normality. The price of houses isn't an issue, it's expensive yes but it's the least of our worries.:rolleyes:
Here, here!!!

HiddenPaw Feb 8th 2004 7:12 pm

Funy cos one of the headlines in today's Herald Sun (Melbourne) is: "Young families 'out of house market'"

Average house price has risen 70% in last 5 years, wages only 26%.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...5E1702,00.html


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