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Old Feb 20th 2010 | 3:21 pm
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Looks like they are going to have to prise Margaret Thatcher out of the nursing home, the Falklands issue is rising again:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/eu...542155205.html
 
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Looks like they are going to have to prise Margaret Thatcher out of the nursing home, the Falklands issue is rising again:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/eu...542155205.html
Falklands has 60 million barrels of oil. British comsumption is 1.82 million barrels per day. So Falkland Islands has 32 days' oil.

I don't know - do you go to war over 32 days of oil? You certainly don't go to war over a few thousands people. Thatcher didn't.
 
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Falklands has 60 million barrels of oil. British comsumption is 1.82 million barrels per day. So Falkland Islands has 32 days' oil.

I don't know - do you go to war over 32 days of oil? You certainly don't go to war over a few thousands people. Thatcher didn't.
where does your 60 million barrels figure come from? Most sources put it at quite a bit more than that - the Telegraph and several others say 60 billion barrels, while Falkland Oil and Gas say 8 billion barrels in one particular sector. If that latter figure is it then it would give just over 12 years of oil at current consumption rates.
 
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Falklands has 60 million barrels of oil. British comsumption is 1.82 million barrels per day. So Falkland Islands has 32 days' oil.

I don't know - do you go to war over 32 days of oil? You certainly don't go to war over a few thousands people. Thatcher didn't.
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where does your 60 million barrels figure come from? Most sources put it at quite a bit more than that - the Telegraph and several others say 60 billion barrels, while Falkland Oil and Gas say 8 billion barrels in one particular sector. If that latter figure is it then it would give just over 12 years of oil at current consumption rates.
Come on, elfman. doomandgloom has CONCLUSIVELY PROVED that the UK has no future of any value. There's no way this will amount to anything of any significance because it has been decreed by doomandgloom that the UK is finished.

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Originally Posted by hereandthere
Falklands has 60 million barrels of oil. British comsumption is 1.82 million barrels per day. So Falkland Islands has 32 days' oil.

I don't know - do you go to war over 32 days of oil? You certainly don't go to war over a few thousands people. Thatcher didn't.
And the world record for quickest dismissal of anything vaguely positive about the UK goes to........hereandthere!!!!!
 
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Falklands has 60 million barrels of oil. British comsumption is 1.82 million barrels per day. So Falkland Islands has 32 days' oil.

I don't know - do you go to war over 32 days of oil? You certainly don't go to war over a few thousands people. Thatcher didn't.
Oh we may as well....the USA,France,China Russia and a few more other countries do it........you live in la la land if you think wars of today are anything noble and that other countries would not act the same way....why oh why do you thing Argentina is interested in the Falklands....to grow coffee....lol......come back down to planet earth......it's certainly not how life should be but alas it's the way of the world...Earth that is by the way....
 
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Oh we may as well....the USA,France,China Russia and a few more other countries do it........you live in la la land if you think wars of today are anything noble and that other countries would not act the same way....why oh why do you thing Argentina is interested in the Falklands....to grow coffee....lol......come back down to planet earth......it's certainly not how life should be but alas it's the way of the world...Earth that is by the way....
Not sure I understand what you're getting at here, tbh. I'm making the point that states go to war over resources not people. What point are you making?

Creepy - what the hell is positive about going to war? Remind us all.

Elfman - Looks like billion, so you're right. Apparently the quantity is similar to Nigeria and Libya combined. Which is well over a decade's worth of oil, and I presume worth going to war for.
 
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Creepy - what the hell is positive about going to war? Remind us all.
I took CC to mean that potentially large deposits of valuable natural resources inside British territory were a positive thing, and that your response was less than welcoming of that possibility.
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Elfman - Looks like billion, so you're right. Apparently the quantity is similar to Nigeria and Libya combined. Which is well over a decade's worth of oil, and I presume worth going to war for.
If there really is 60 billion barrels down there than that would be more like 90 years of oil at current UK consumption levels. And I think "worth preserving the British sovereignty of the area for" would be a more appropriate and less melodramatic way of describing the issue, rather than immediately assuming there's going to be a war over it. Personally I can't see either side wanting to rush headlong into armed conflict for various reasons, although Argentina's behaviour is a little strange. Maybe they're regretting their unilateral decision back in 2007 to pull out of the agreement with Britain to share any future Falklands oil revenues.
 
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Originally Posted by elfman
I took CC to mean that potentially large deposits of valuable natural resources inside British territory were a positive thing, and that your response was less than welcoming of that possibility.

If there really is 60 billion barrels down there than that would be more like 90 years of oil at current UK consumption levels. And I think "worth preserving the British sovereignty of the area for" would be a more appropriate and less melodramatic way of describing the issue, rather than immediately assuming there's going to be a war over it. Personally I can't see either side wanting to rush headlong into armed conflict for various reasons, although Argentina's behaviour is a little strange. Maybe they're regretting their unilateral decision back in 2007 to pull out of the agreement with Britain to share any future Falklands oil revenues.
But doomandgloom is very good at interpreting everything that is said in whatever way allows him to continue attacking the UK and indeed any posters who voice support for the UK.
 
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I took CC to mean that potentially large deposits of valuable natural resources inside British territory were a positive thing, and that your response was less than welcoming of that possibility.

If there really is 60 billion barrels down there than that would be more like 90 years of oil at current UK consumption levels. And I think "worth preserving the British sovereignty of the area for" would be a more appropriate and less melodramatic way of describing the issue, rather than immediately assuming there's going to be a war over it. Personally I can't see either side wanting to rush headlong into armed conflict for various reasons, although Argentina's behaviour is a little strange. Maybe they're regretting their unilateral decision back in 2007 to pull out of the agreement with Britain to share any future Falklands oil revenues.
I'm not a peak-oiler, as it happens, but I appreciate oil will only be more valuable in the future until other forms of energy replace it. If there really is 90 years of oil in the Falklands, Argentina will not just forget about it. I imagine their grand-standing is aimed at forcing some kind of new negotiation out of London, which is what Tehran is doing right now as well, vis-a-vis Washington DC.

Trouble is, I can't see London agreeing to share one drop of that oil with Argentina, unless they pay top whack for it like everyone else. Being as many in Argentina genuinely believe Las Malvinas to be their own territory, they might not be as ready to pay for it like just any other punter.
 
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I'm not a peak-oiler, as it happens, but I appreciate oil will only be more valuable in the future until other forms of energy replace it. If there really is 90 years of oil in the Falklands, Argentina will not just forget about it. I imagine their grand-standing is aimed at forcing some kind of new negotiation out of London, which is what Tehran is doing right now as well, vis-a-vis Washington DC.

Trouble is, I can't see London agreeing to share one drop of that oil with Argentina, unless they pay top whack for it like everyone else. Being as many in Argentina genuinely believe Las Malvinas to be their own territory, they might not be as ready to pay for it like just any other punter.
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Not sure I understand what you're getting at here, tbh. I'm making the point that states go to war over resources not people. What point are you making?

Creepy - what the hell is positive about going to war? Remind us all.

Elfman - Looks like billion, so you're right. Apparently the quantity is similar to Nigeria and Libya combined. Which is well over a decade's worth of oil, and I presume worth going to war for.
Sorry not to make myself clearer...I just wondered if you go into other countries web sites and ask them why they are invading so and so or do you just pick on the U.K?....and if you have ever thought any wars are not about something other than what there is to gain then you do live in la la land...nothing good about Wars...the only positive's are if there are any that usually it brings money and work back into countries that are at war....my Oh works in Oil and Gas and even here in Aus...they are just riding all over environmental issues like you would not believe and this will continue to happen unless someone comes up with something better than oil........can I ask what form of transport do you use....is you home perfectly environmental....if not......then get out of your glass house you know the old adage about stones...etc.....ps...my Oh was in the British Royal Navy our nephew has been killed in Afghanistan , wars are horrible but for a long as we have had a History (human beings...not just the British believe it or not...)we have had wars.....
 
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Sorry not to make myself clearer...I just wondered if you go into other countries web sites and ask them why they are invading so and so or do you just pick on the U.K?....and if you have ever thought any wars are not about something other than what there is to gain then you do live in la la land...nothing good about Wars...the only positive's are if there are any that usually it brings money and work back into countries that are at war....my Oh works in Oil and Gas and even here in Aus...they are just riding all over environmental issues like you would not believe and this will continue to happen unless someone comes up with something better than oil........can I ask what form of transport do you use....is you home perfectly environmental....if not......then get out of your glass house you know the old adage about stones...etc.....ps...my Oh was in the British Royal Navy our nephew has been killed in Afghanistan , wars are horrible but for a long as we have had a History (human beings...not just the British believe it or not...)we have had wars.....
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You seem quite aggressive but I'm not sure we disagree really. In the world of international politics I am what is called a realist, which is a theoretical position in opposition to liberalism or structuralism. My fundamental belief is that states go to war only to defend their vital national interests, and when they diverge from this path, which arguably they did in Iraq, big trouble ensues.

Also, you seem to have inferred from nowhere that I am against intiatives to secure oil. I am not.
 
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Hello brits

You seem quite aggressive but I'm not sure we disagree really. In the world of international politics I am what is called a realist, which is a theoretical position in opposition to liberalism or structuralism. My fundamental belief is that states go to war only to defend their vital national interests, and when they diverge from this path, which arguably they did in Iraq, big trouble ensues.

Also, you seem to have inferred from nowhere that I am against intiatives to secure oil. I am not.
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