Britain Day ??
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Britain Day ??
Sounds like a good idea to me .We were shocked that the Golden jubilee wasnt celebrated near us,i'm old enough to remember the silver jubilee when we all had street parties,up for weeks making the bunting !!
Does any one else think its a good idea?
Does any one care??
i wish more people would emigrate ,then they might view the UK thru fresh eyes.
Does any one else think its a good idea?
Does any one care??
i wish more people would emigrate ,then they might view the UK thru fresh eyes.
#2
Re: Britain Day ??
Sounds like a good idea to me .We were shocked that the Golden jubilee wasnt celebrated near us,i'm old enough to remember the silver jubilee when we all had street parties,up for weeks making the bunting !!
Does any one else think its a good idea?
Does any one care??
i wish more people would emigrate ,then they might view the UK thru fresh eyes.
Does any one else think its a good idea?
Does any one care??
i wish more people would emigrate ,then they might view the UK thru fresh eyes.
#3
Re: Britain Day ??
Sounds like a good idea to me .We were shocked that the Golden jubilee wasnt celebrated near us,i'm old enough to remember the silver jubilee when we all had street parties,up for weeks making the bunting !!
Does any one else think its a good idea?
Does any one care??
i wish more people would emigrate ,then they might view the UK thru fresh eyes.
Does any one else think its a good idea?
Does any one care??
i wish more people would emigrate ,then they might view the UK thru fresh eyes.
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Re: Britain Day ??
Britain has become a more diverse society - in many ways more like the United States - and will need to look more to the U.S. for ways to develop a common sense of identity, community and shared values among people who are quite different from each other.
Now that the Labour Party have belatedly discovered that they do have a country to belong to, these things can be pushed forward more easily on a bipartisan basis.
It will be instructive to see how "Britain Day" is celebrated in Northern Ireland.
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I think you may have missed a crucial point on this .....Northern Ireland isn't part of Great Britain so will be unlikely to celebrate 'Britain Day'. It's part of the United Kingdom which is itself the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I'm suprised they didn't label it UK day.
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Re: Britain Day ??
I think you may have missed a crucial point on this .....Northern Ireland isn't part of Great Britain so will be unlikely to celebrate 'Britain Day'. It's part of the United Kingdom which is itself the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I'm suprised they didn't label it UK day.
The word 'British' is frequently used as an adjective pertaining to the UK (as in 'British citiizen' - an official use - or, presumably, 'British values' - an unofficial use). I must say that I have known Northern Ireland people who definitely consider themselves part of the UK (these were people of a Protestant background) balking at the description of them as 'British', maintaining that they were British citizens and part of the UK but considered themselves 'Irish' (in its broad sense) rather than 'British'. On the other hand, some other 'loyalist' people in Northern Ireland are more than happy to describe themselves or be described as 'British', although they may well think of themselves as 'Irish' (in its broad sense) as well.
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I think you may have missed a crucial point on this .....Northern Ireland isn't part of Great Britain so will be unlikely to celebrate 'Britain Day'. It's part of the United Kingdom which is itself the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I'm suprised they didn't label it UK day.
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But isn't the whole point of the exercise to try to strengthen a sense of British identity, without in any way devaluing any of its component nations.
Britain has become a more diverse society - in many ways more like the United States - and will need to look more to the U.S. for ways to develop a common sense of identity, community and shared values among people who are quite different from each other.
Now that the Labour Party have belatedly discovered that they do have a country to belong to, these things can be pushed forward more easily on a bipartisan basis.
It will be instructive to see how "Britain Day" is celebrated in Northern Ireland.
Britain has become a more diverse society - in many ways more like the United States - and will need to look more to the U.S. for ways to develop a common sense of identity, community and shared values among people who are quite different from each other.
Now that the Labour Party have belatedly discovered that they do have a country to belong to, these things can be pushed forward more easily on a bipartisan basis.
It will be instructive to see how "Britain Day" is celebrated in Northern Ireland.
I cannot see the Scots going for having a union flag in the corner of the class room and singing "god save the queen" (which is the British, not English anthem) . In fact, ive never been to Scotland but hear that finding a union flag flying is like looking for Lord Lucan. It seems clear to me that Scotland is looking towards an independant future within the EU; maybe not tomorrow, but in the near future. Which is ironic because the next UK prime minister and half the cabinet will be scottish, but will have no say whatsoever over the majority of issues within their own country.
The West lothian question is further upsetting the english and further contributing to the break up of Britain.
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Re: Britain Day ??
I think you may have missed a crucial point on this .....Northern Ireland isn't part of Great Britain so will be unlikely to celebrate 'Britain Day'. It's part of the United Kingdom which is itself the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I'm suprised they didn't label it UK day.
You may want to note that the Isle of Wight, Scilly Isles, Shetland Islands and Hebrides are not part of the island called "Great Britain" either.
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I cannot see the Scots going for having a union flag in the corner of the class room and singing "god save the queen" (which is the British, not English anthem) .
In fact, ive never been to Scotland but hear that finding a union flag flying is like looking for Lord Lucan.
Incidentally, flying the Union Flag should not prevent parallel flying of the Scottish or English (or other) flags. In the United States, state and local governments, plus corporations, almost always fly the state flag alongside the U.S. flag.
It seems clear to me that Scotland is looking towards an independant future within the EU; maybe not tomorrow, but in the near future.
Which is ironic because the next UK prime minister and half the cabinet will be scottish, but will have no say whatsoever over the majority of issues within their own country.
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47 seats for the Scottish Nationalist Party (out of 129) does not suggest a nation eager for immediate independence. What will hasten the death of the United Kingdom more than anything is that if unionists simply "throw in the towel" and cease to advocate the benefits of maintaining the Union and a common British citizenship.
It is difficult to argue the unionist cause on a political level when Scots recieve much higher public spending per capita and the refusal to answer the west lothian question. On a more "pub talk" level, many english are angered by Scots supporting any football team playing England, even those nations who have fought against the British army, like Argentina ( and killed members of scottish regiments too).
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The British are simply going to have to get used to the idea that not all things are going to be decided in London in future. The role of the British government is going to evolve into something more similar to the Australian, Canadian or U.S. federal government
Has Canada giving more autonomy to Quebec finished the independance movement there, or is it stronger than ever and growing, with increasing demands for more powers?
#13
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And in 1933 Western Australia voted to leave the Commonwealth of Australia.
Ive no doubt that 30 years ago a majority supported the monarchy in Australia; now all opinion polls suggest this has reversed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Au...lic_referendum
It is difficult to argue the unionist cause on a political level when Scots recieve much higher public spending per capita and the refusal to answer the west lothian question. On a more "pub talk" level, many english are angered by Scots supporting any football team playing England, even those nations who have fought against the British army, like Argentina ( and killed members of scottish regiments too).
From the outside it is quite surprising to see how defeatist and dispirited British people have become over the future of their nation, both in relation to threats from without (Irish nationalism, Europe) and from within (Scottish and English secessionism). It seems more reminiscent of France circa 1940.
#14
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There is no strong nationalist West Australian movement
Has Canada giving more autonomy to Quebec finished the independance movement there, or is it stronger than ever and growing, with increasing demands for more powers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_...ection%2C_2007
A sense of Quebec nationhood has not gone away. It almost certainly never will. But by the same token, the majority in Quebec, even those of a nationalist persuasion (except the 30% hard-core) want to keep their Canadian passports and Canadian dollars.
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140 years ago. Wouldnt/couldnt happen again.
Surely no desire for this now.
Im happy to stand corrected. However, the quebec indepedance people must shout loudest because they get more coverage than the rest!
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Surely no desire for this now.
At the most recent election in Quebec, the Parti Quebecois was relegated to third place:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_...ection%2C_2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_...ection%2C_2007