Kocourkov

There you have it, the rest of the world has to cater to US whims because it cannot act in a reasonable way and throws its weight around arrogantly. But your argument is already full of holes ya troll. You tell tourists not to come, but then whine about how much it costs to recover from what is essentially a one-off event. Bad, yes, but many people and businesses in the US are using 9/11 as an excuse for things which have absolutely no connection to the event whatsoever.

And no, you can't keep me out of the US. I've got a US passport.

supernav

> and throws its weight around arrogantly.

That's foreign affairs. Go use your passport and vote and feel free to change it. We're a democracy remember?

What we're talking is HOMELAND security and JOB protection for Americans and IMMIGRATION. It has nothing to do with our policies on Israel, Iraq, etc. Learn to differentiate between the two.

Us killing soldiers in Iraq to protect Saudi Arabia's oil doesn't mean someone in Malayasia has the right to visit the US. They have nothing to do with each other.

-= nav =-

JubJub

Did you even read this? http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0404/040204c1.htm

The reason they are putting the VW countries in the US-VISIT program is precisely because biometric passports won't be ready in time for the Oct 2004 deadline. So when Congress approves it, VW on non-biometric passports will remain in place for an additional two years, till Oct 2006. If you are travelling after October I would wait till Congress passes it.

crg

You probably collect passports like baseball trading cards. Do you just go where the money is, and have allegiance to no flag at all?

It's not about the UK. It's about bad people with bad passports arriving on our shores. How do you suggest we catch someone with a photo-substituted, counterfeit, or imposter passport?

stevelisaw

While I am not certain of the percentage of Americans that have passports as opposed to those who do not, there is something that one needs to consider before putting down those who don't carry a passport in the US.

1. From what I understand the typical Euro or Brit gets several weeks holiday each year, couple that with the multitude of National holidays you have far more leisure time than those that are US citizens. The average citizen gets 1 - 2 weeks off a year and the holidays that are the norm, unless you work in the shops (they often work holidays) don't even come close to those in the UK. We don't have a Boxing day nor do we have an Easter Monday for example. So the available time to travel is a bit limited for the average Joe in America.

2. Another thing that, well at least hubby tells me, people don't usually wish to Holiday in England, (Brits that is) they usually take off to where the sunshine is, be it Spain, Portugal, Greece, Turkey or wherever they can soak in the sunshine. The need for having a passport unless you wish to remain at home is greater. (by the way the person that was appalled at the 6 dollar charge, from what hubby says Turkey has a fee one must pay that he said was nearly £15 per person the last time he visited)

3. In the US we don't have to go to another country to get sunshine for a Holiday. If you want exotic, Hawaii.....no passport needed. Want an adventure......go to Alaska.....no passport needed. You want to surf.....Hello California.....Soak in sunshine and sip on the beach.......Floooooooorrrrrrrrriiiiiiiidaaaaaaaaaa aa. Oh, and from where I live Florida is by car 24 hours, (couple hours by plane) take a drive coast to coast (Still all in the US) takes several days. We wish to visit our Neighbors to the North (Canada) using a passport is advised, but many still don't have them to go there. While in California you get an urge to go south of the border.....guess what didn't need a passport for that either. We have 50, count them, 50 states. None are the same, people are different, sights to see are different. We've got the Grand Canyon, The Rockies, Blue Ridge Mountains, Smokey Mountains. Deserts........all different climates. So before you decide to put a country down and it's people for not having a passport, possibly put yourself in that country and think gee why don't they need one. I agree one should broaden their horizons by at least visiting Europe once in their lifetime, but who am I to tell someone that they are ignorant for not doing so. When someone comes back from visiting Key West all tanned and happy.....hmmmmmmm maybe they DID have a good time not leaving the country. My friends who to go Aspen......gee possibly they should be told how boring they are to ski there. Yes I'm rambling, but I don't go around putting down other countries, my own has enough of it's own faults. None are perfect.

4. We really won't miss those who must whinge about the horrible US, we have enough home grown whiney babies of our own, the only difference would be the accent.

Ken Pisichko

Look around you! Your country cannot stop your own kind doing in other US
citizens. A couple of examples: Tim McVe??, the couple of sniper types who
terrorised the washingto DC area, etc. Bombs, guns, then of course there is the
heroin and crack coke..... Nut cases everywhere - even if you totally seal off
the USA from the rest of this earth. That seems to be the way things are going -
not good. Folks will still do damage.

LithiaSpgs wrote:

    > >It makes no sense to me to say 'Canadians are not interested in
    > >terrorising the US.' Neither is the UK.
    > Neither country as a whole do but we have already caught a Canadian trying to
    > sneak a bomb into Washington state and Richard Reid was a Brit. We have to be
    > careful. We cannot afford anymore 9-11s.

Ken Pisichko

Hey, save a fortune in airfare, travel to T.O. ;-)

crg14624 wrote:

    > Originally posted by LithiaSpgs
    > > What could Canada have to
    > offer a tourist that cannot be matched 100 times over
    > > by the USA? Do
    > they have Disneyland in Canada? Grand Canyon? Hollywood? New
    > > York?
    > Chicago? (well Toronto is like Chicago)
    > Toronto looks more
    > like Beijing, Seoul, Bombay, and Islamabad all mushed together.

Squirrel

I just can't see how they are going to do an FBI check in a few seconds, when applicants for immigrant visas have to wait weeks for the FBI check. If it is really possible to do it there and then, why can't it be done at the embassies on the day of the interview?

Ken Pisichko

Death of any individual and of many thousands teaches the world nothing! let me
give one example of huge carnage occurring daily.

The death of about 5000 children in Africa has taught us nothing. Where is the
media coverage? The death of another 5000 tofday will teach us nothing, neither
will the death of another 5000 tomorrow and the day after. Wonder why it isn't
covered in the media? Is it because they are black/ Is it because they are very
far away - NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard?

These kids are just as dead as the 3000 and some souls who perished in the USA
in 9/11. Why does no one give two hoots about them? Think of how many would be
saved if money spent in military junkets elsewhere would be put into keeping
kids alive....

Mickey wrote:

    > ...........has the death of nearly 3000 people on 9/11 taught you nothing?.

Ken Pisichko

Here we go again - more revisionism.

crg14624 wrote:

    > It doesn't matter who
    > fought with who in the war. If it wasn't for the U.S. you'd all be
    > eating schnitzel, and celebrating Hitler's birthday.

And what was the UK and the Commonwealth doing from 1939 to 1941 while the
US industries were selling supplies to both sides of the war? i suppose,
just sitting around making money, drinking coffee and playing bridge!

Wonder why the USA decided to join the war? Not making enough money? Oh,
someone that you were selling goods to attacked you!

Then the USA saved the world! You need to spend some time in Europe
visiting non-US grave yards. Lots of young guys dead there - and many of
them were killed in the 1939 to Dec 7, 1941 period - some perhaps with
materials sold to the opposition by US industries.

Ken Pisichko

CharlieDLC wrote:

    > So what you are saying that
    > Britain IS interested in terrorizing the USA ? I'd also like to know how
    > you came to the conclusion that Canada was the US's greatest trading
    > partner.

Britain is certasinly not interested in terrorising anyone! Why should they?

The trade in dollars between Canada and the USA is based on fact. I am not
referring to emotion, or anything else, just the currency value of goods
crossing the border. There are trade statistics published in both countries
that can verify that the dollar value of goods from Canada entering the USA
is greater than from any other nation. The same is true for goods entering
Canada from the USA. Canada sends HUGE amounts of energy and electricity
into the USA 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The enegry value alone is
staggering in monetary value.

Maniack

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:56:03 GMT, "Mickey"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >There are none so blind as those that won't see!
    >I think you are a little too trusting of your government.

How is it trusting when I flatly said that I don't believe what they
are saying? Me thinks you got confused.
    >"Maniack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:00:15 -0400, L D Jones <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >> >LithiaSpgs wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> It is not aimed at English citizens but we need to know who is coming
    >into the
    >> >> country and when they leave. It is only fair. It is not that big a deal
    >and the
    >> >> stuff is destroyed once you exit.
    >> >
    >> >I have trouble believing that a government will destroy information it
    >> >has collected. They will probably save it just becausee they can
    >> Anyone with a brain knows they won't destroy any information.
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Kocourkov

Please, pray tell how harassing tourists with feel good security measures does any of the above. Hmmm? Maybe think about it while you're at the gym or wolfing down that second tub of ice cream this afternoon. Protecting American jobs, for example, means bringing tourists to spend money and then they go home. Bona-fide tourists are in no sense immigrants as by the definition of the word 'tourist' their basic intention is to visit someplace and then leave again relatively soon thereafter.

You've ducked my points so far, and probably can't think of anything besides empty rhetoric, which you don't seem to understand.

Oliver Costich

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:04:04 -0500, Ken Pisichko <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Look around you! Your country cannot stop your own kind doing in other US
    >citizens. A couple of examples: Tim McVe??, the couple of sniper types who
    >terrorised the washingto DC area, etc. Bombs, guns, then of course there is the
    >heroin and crack coke..... Nut cases everywhere - even if you totally seal off
    >the USA from the rest of this earth. That seems to be the way things are going -
    >not good. Folks will still do damage.

Your house is burgled by a guest so don't lock the doors. Makes sense
to me.
    >LithiaSpgs wrote:
    >> >It makes no sense to me to say 'Canadians are not interested in
    >> >terrorising the US.' Neither is the UK.
    >> Neither country as a whole do but we have already caught a Canadian trying to
    >> sneak a bomb into Washington state and Richard Reid was a Brit. We have to be
    >> careful. We cannot afford anymore 9-11s.

Oliver Costich

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:28:43 -0500, Ken Pisichko <[email protected]> wrote:

    >CharlieDLC wrote:
    >> So what you are saying that
    >> Britain IS interested in terrorizing the USA ? I'd also like to know how
    >> you came to the conclusion that Canada was the US's greatest trading
    >> partner.
    >Britain is certasinly not interested in terrorising anyone! Why should they?

How could they?

    >The trade in dollars between Canada and the USA is based on fact. I am not
    >referring to emotion, or anything else, just the currency value of goods
    >crossing the border. There are trade statistics published in both countries
    >that can verify that the dollar value of goods from Canada entering the USA
    >is greater than from any other nation. The same is true for goods entering
    >Canada from the USA. Canada sends HUGE amounts of energy and electricity
    >into the USA 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The enegry value alone is
    >staggering in monetary value.