Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > Moving back or to the UK
Reload this Page >

92-year-old To Be Deported ?

92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Thread Tools
 
Old Feb 20th 2016, 10:24 am
  #1  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Location: bute
Posts: 9,740
scot47 has a reputation beyond reputescot47 has a reputation beyond reputescot47 has a reputation beyond reputescot47 has a reputation beyond reputescot47 has a reputation beyond reputescot47 has a reputation beyond reputescot47 has a reputation beyond reputescot47 has a reputation beyond reputescot47 has a reputation beyond reputescot47 has a reputation beyond reputescot47 has a reputation beyond repute
Default 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Deportation of 92-year-old widow postponed after public outcry | UK news | The Guardian
The guardian always puts its own spin on things but the Home Office does seem to be totally lacking in compassion here.
scot47 is offline  
Old Feb 20th 2016, 10:43 am
  #2  
Concierge
 
mikelincs's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2006
Location: ex ex-pat, in Taunton
Posts: 27,217
mikelincs has a reputation beyond reputemikelincs has a reputation beyond reputemikelincs has a reputation beyond reputemikelincs has a reputation beyond reputemikelincs has a reputation beyond reputemikelincs has a reputation beyond reputemikelincs has a reputation beyond reputemikelincs has a reputation beyond reputemikelincs has a reputation beyond reputemikelincs has a reputation beyond reputemikelincs has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Originally Posted by scot47
Deportation of 92-year-old widow postponed after public outcry | UK news | The Guardian
The guardian always puts its own spin on things but the Home Office does seem to be totally lacking in compassion here.
The Home Office has backed down, they say she can stay while they investigate further.
mikelincs is offline  
Old Feb 20th 2016, 1:34 pm
  #3  
BE Forum Addict
 
michali's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,221
michali has a reputation beyond reputemichali has a reputation beyond reputemichali has a reputation beyond reputemichali has a reputation beyond reputemichali has a reputation beyond reputemichali has a reputation beyond reputemichali has a reputation beyond reputemichali has a reputation beyond reputemichali has a reputation beyond reputemichali has a reputation beyond reputemichali has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

It does seem cold but, having read the court case, it does appear she entered as a visitor, having sold some property in SA before she left. So it appears her intention was to stay. With the public outcry against her being deported, I expect the Home Office will find some way to let her stay.
michali is offline  
Old Feb 20th 2016, 3:34 pm
  #4  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: May 2010
Location: San Diego, California
Posts: 9,662
SanDiegogirl has a reputation beyond reputeSanDiegogirl has a reputation beyond reputeSanDiegogirl has a reputation beyond reputeSanDiegogirl has a reputation beyond reputeSanDiegogirl has a reputation beyond reputeSanDiegogirl has a reputation beyond reputeSanDiegogirl has a reputation beyond reputeSanDiegogirl has a reputation beyond reputeSanDiegogirl has a reputation beyond reputeSanDiegogirl has a reputation beyond reputeSanDiegogirl has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

She is being allowed to stay.

Yes, she entered as a visitor with every intention of staying, having sold her property in SA.
SanDiegogirl is online now  
Old Feb 20th 2016, 7:08 pm
  #5  
Dichotomus tinker
 
not2old's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,678
not2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Deception for sure & had no intention of going back to SA.

On the surface, I would deport her (like they do with so many others that try to sneak in the back door) what has age or health got to do with it.

On the other hand I wonder (given her age) if the old dear has any ancestry ties to the UK or some other European country?
not2old is offline  
Old Feb 20th 2016, 7:14 pm
  #6  
 
Pulaski's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Location: Dixie, ex UK
Posts: 52,448
Pulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Originally Posted by not2old
Deception for sure & had no intention of going back to SA.

On the surface, I would deport her (like they do with so many others that try to sneak in the back door) what has age or health got to do with it.

On the other hand I wonder (given her age) if the old dear has any ancestry ties to the UK or some other European country?
That's pretty much my thoughts, all the way.

I blame the daughter, and under these sorts of circumstances, and assuming the mother doesn't have a bona fide claim to British citizenship, there should be some sort of sanction against the daughter who obviously conspired to help her mother circumvent UK immigration laws.
Pulaski is offline  
Old Feb 20th 2016, 7:25 pm
  #7  
Dichotomus tinker
 
not2old's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 6,678
not2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond reputenot2old has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Put the shoe on the other foot

Take a 92 year old British born Mum that visits her only daughter in SA, overstays the visit because she had no intention of returning to the UK for the reason there was no one or other family to take care of her 'back home'.

South Africa would likely deport the British old dear, as would any other country given the same scenario
not2old is offline  
Old Feb 20th 2016, 8:10 pm
  #8  
WhiteRabbit
 
rebeccajo's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 1,480
rebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Originally Posted by not2old
Put the shoe on the other foot

Take a 92 year old British born Mum that visits her only daughter in SA, overstays the visit because she had no intention of returning to the UK for the reason there was no one or other family to take care of her 'back home'.

South Africa would likely deport the British old dear, as would any other country given the same scenario
I thought the British people prided themselves on being "better than that".
rebeccajo is offline  
Old Feb 20th 2016, 8:15 pm
  #9  
 
Pulaski's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Location: Dixie, ex UK
Posts: 52,448
Pulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Originally Posted by rebeccajo
I thought the British people prided themselves on being "better than that".
Yeah, well trying to be "better" than other countries has caused many of Britain's problems, meanwhile the rest of world laughs at us.
Pulaski is offline  
Old Feb 20th 2016, 8:27 pm
  #10  
WhiteRabbit
 
rebeccajo's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 1,480
rebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Originally Posted by Pulaski
Yeah, well trying to be "better" than other countries has caused many of Britain's problems, meanwhile the rest of world laughs at us.
I agree. It is rather laughable to deport grannies.
rebeccajo is offline  
Old Feb 21st 2016, 12:42 pm
  #11  
 
BritInParis's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Location: Not in Paris
Posts: 18,194
BritInParis has a reputation beyond reputeBritInParis has a reputation beyond reputeBritInParis has a reputation beyond reputeBritInParis has a reputation beyond reputeBritInParis has a reputation beyond reputeBritInParis has a reputation beyond reputeBritInParis has a reputation beyond reputeBritInParis has a reputation beyond reputeBritInParis has a reputation beyond reputeBritInParis has a reputation beyond reputeBritInParis has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

The whole situation seems rather calculating given that both the daughter and the mother knew that they carrying out a deliberate deception by applying for a visitor visa when she fully intended to remain in the UK illegally. Normally that would be deportation and a ten year ban. One telephone call to a suitably left-leaning newspaper later and the Home Office is having to cave in to a Twitter mob.
BritInParis is online now  
Old Feb 21st 2016, 1:05 pm
  #12  
WhiteRabbit
 
rebeccajo's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Location: USA
Posts: 1,480
rebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond reputerebeccajo has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Well, once again, we go back to the rigidity of UK family immigration policy. Under the 2012 rules, in order to bring parents to the UK, they not only have to be in very frail condition with no one in the foreign country to look after them, the country itself has to be a place with virtually no medical or social infrastructure. The rules have been labeled an outright ban by many experts.

I long ago came to the conclusion that, when reading immigration stories online, you rarely get all the facts. And another conclusion I long ago came to is that people are woefully ignorant when it comes to immigration law, especially when it comes to family matters. The confusion is compounded between countries that allow relatively free movement between each country for visiting. I'm not speaking just of British citizens either. It happens with US immigration. People really think that because they are family, they can just 'up sticks' and worry with the paperwork later.

This family might very well have pre-planned Myrtle's move. They might have done it with the intent to get around the new rules. Or they might have done it in ignorance. Either way, it is unfortunate because it looks like Myrtle might have had a legal path to residency all along.

Sticks. Stones. Glass houses. Always humbling to remember in matters of family immigration, I think. At least that is my philosophy.
rebeccajo is offline  
Old Feb 21st 2016, 1:49 pm
  #13  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Location: Finally moving!
Posts: 1,236
holly_1948 has a reputation beyond reputeholly_1948 has a reputation beyond reputeholly_1948 has a reputation beyond reputeholly_1948 has a reputation beyond reputeholly_1948 has a reputation beyond reputeholly_1948 has a reputation beyond reputeholly_1948 has a reputation beyond reputeholly_1948 has a reputation beyond reputeholly_1948 has a reputation beyond reputeholly_1948 has a reputation beyond reputeholly_1948 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Originally Posted by rebeccajo
I thought the British people prided themselves on being "better than that".
We used to be.
But then Margaret Thatcher came along.
holly_1948 is offline  
Old Feb 21st 2016, 2:24 pm
  #14  
 
Pulaski's Avatar
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Location: Dixie, ex UK
Posts: 52,448
Pulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond reputePulaski has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Originally Posted by holly_1948
.... But then Margaret Thatcher came along.
Britain's last great prime minister.
Pulaski is offline  
Old Feb 21st 2016, 2:26 pm
  #15  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: May 2012
Location: Qc, Canada
Posts: 3,787
Shirtback has a reputation beyond reputeShirtback has a reputation beyond reputeShirtback has a reputation beyond reputeShirtback has a reputation beyond reputeShirtback has a reputation beyond reputeShirtback has a reputation beyond reputeShirtback has a reputation beyond reputeShirtback has a reputation beyond reputeShirtback has a reputation beyond reputeShirtback has a reputation beyond reputeShirtback has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: 92-year-old To Be Deported ?

Originally Posted by BritInParis
The whole situation seems rather calculating given that both the daughter and the mother knew that they carrying out a deliberate deception by applying for a visitor visa when she fully intended to remain in the UK illegally. Normally that would be deportation and a ten year ban. One telephone call to a suitably left-leaning newspaper later and the Home Office is having to cave in to a Twitter mob.
I tend to agree.

However, I also think that Immigration laws could be adjusted somewhat for H&C situations.
Shirtback is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.