21st Century Socialist Man
 

Jeremy Corbyn gave a fantastic presentation at the close of the event.

There may be hope for a better future in the UK after all. :thumbup:

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

for the uninformed, what was so "fantastic" a presentation?

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

The first definition of fantastic, courtesy of Google.
So, Novocastrian, given that definition, you are probably correct! :lol:

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

Yes, yes. Go with the past. You belong there.

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

The uninformed should keep up.

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x585zf_king-crimson-21-century-shizoid-man_music
Take that Theresa, Boris, Liam and the rest of you morons. :thumbup:

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

Corbyn is completely unelectable. The domination of the far left in the Labour Party is condemning the UK, or at least England and Wales, to another decade of Tory rule, or maybe longer. We are becoming, effectively, a one party state.

You are my age Novo, and you should know better. We've been round this track before. When Foot was leader, I remember one of my Labour Party friends crowing that the left had never been stronger, when in fact a smaller percentage of the electorate were voting Labour than at any time since the party was formed.

The far left in the Labour Party always confuses power within the party will power in the country. It is irrelevant that half a million members support Corbyn. What matters is that more of the public at large trust May with the NHS than him. The next election is going to be a wipe out for Labour.

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

That's, of course, if the Labour party still exist. I can see a number of MPs jumping ship over his leadership. and he's going to have great difficulty in getting any sort of a decent shadow cabinet.

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

Agreed. I think that is the difference this time round, that the Labour Party may not come back. But, I think most of the moderate Labour MPs will be pushed, by deselection, rather than jumping ship. Nobody wants to repeat the SDP fiasco.

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

The situation is actually worst for Labour than it was in 1981. Corbyn is even less popular than Foot was with the electorate and there's no equivalent of the Gang of Four to leave Labour and start a new party a la the SDP, not that it did any good the last time around. Throw in the constituency boundary changes that will come into force in time for the 2020 General Election and Labour will cease to be a serious political force in the UK and usher in perpetual Tory government. I don't think Corbyn would even have the common sense to resign at that point either.

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

Jeremy Corbyn is a step too far to the left, even for this dyed in the wool Labour supporter. The current state of the Party saddens me.

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

It's just maths:

According to the Fabian Society, in order to win the next election, Labour needs 104 seats in England and Wales and 40% of the vote to win. In the marginal constituencies, 4 out of 5 of those votes must come from people who voted Tory last time (and probably also for Brexit because of their concerns about immigration). Those people are not going to vote for Corbyn.

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

More like a giant leap too far left. And I agree with the comments that this is a bigger mess than Labour was in in '81, which is saying something. Completely unelectable with Corbyn as leader.

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

It's one thing that David Cameron got right after the referendum, he told him, for gods sake GO.

Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
 

While May is completely unelected. The "unelectable" mantra is getting a bit stale, let's just wait and see (or rather not wait, but get involved).

As to the electorate trusting May over Corbyn with the NHS, can I have some of what you're smoking?