21st Century Socialist Man
Sep 28th 2016, 6:07 pm
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21st Century Socialist Man
Jeremy Corbyn gave a fantastic presentation at the close of the event.
There may be hope for a better future in the UK after all.
There may be hope for a better future in the UK after all.
Sep 28th 2016, 6:11 pm
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Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
for the uninformed, what was so "fantastic" a presentation?
Sep 28th 2016, 6:20 pm
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Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
Fantastic - imaginative or fanciful; remote from reality.
Sep 28th 2016, 6:23 pm
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Sep 28th 2016, 6:23 pm
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Sep 28th 2016, 6:34 pm
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Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x585zf_king-crimson-21-century-shizoid-man_music
Take that Theresa, Boris, Liam and the rest of you morons.
Take that Theresa, Boris, Liam and the rest of you morons.
Sep 28th 2016, 9:28 pm
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Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
Corbyn is completely unelectable. The domination of the far left in the Labour Party is condemning the UK, or at least England and Wales, to another decade of Tory rule, or maybe longer. We are becoming, effectively, a one party state.
You are my age Novo, and you should know better. We've been round this track before. When Foot was leader, I remember one of my Labour Party friends crowing that the left had never been stronger, when in fact a smaller percentage of the electorate were voting Labour than at any time since the party was formed.
The far left in the Labour Party always confuses power within the party will power in the country. It is irrelevant that half a million members support Corbyn. What matters is that more of the public at large trust May with the NHS than him. The next election is going to be a wipe out for Labour.
You are my age Novo, and you should know better. We've been round this track before. When Foot was leader, I remember one of my Labour Party friends crowing that the left had never been stronger, when in fact a smaller percentage of the electorate were voting Labour than at any time since the party was formed.
The far left in the Labour Party always confuses power within the party will power in the country. It is irrelevant that half a million members support Corbyn. What matters is that more of the public at large trust May with the NHS than him. The next election is going to be a wipe out for Labour.
Sep 28th 2016, 9:31 pm
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Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
Corbyn is completely unelectable. The domination of the far left in the Labour Party is condemning the UK, or at least England and Wales, to another decade of Tory rule, or maybe longer. We are becoming, effectively, a one party state.
You are my age Novo, and you should know better. We've been round this track before. When Foot was leader, I remember one of my Labour Party friends crowing that the left had never been stronger, when in fact a smaller percentage of the electorate were voting Labour than at any time since the party was formed.
The far left in the Labour Party always confuses power within the party will power in the country. It is irrelevant that half a million members support Corbyn. What matters is that more of the public at large trust May with the NHS than him. The next election is going to be a wipe out for Labour.
You are my age Novo, and you should know better. We've been round this track before. When Foot was leader, I remember one of my Labour Party friends crowing that the left had never been stronger, when in fact a smaller percentage of the electorate were voting Labour than at any time since the party was formed.
The far left in the Labour Party always confuses power within the party will power in the country. It is irrelevant that half a million members support Corbyn. What matters is that more of the public at large trust May with the NHS than him. The next election is going to be a wipe out for Labour.
Sep 28th 2016, 9:40 pm
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Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
Agreed. I think that is the difference this time round, that the Labour Party may not come back. But, I think most of the moderate Labour MPs will be pushed, by deselection, rather than jumping ship. Nobody wants to repeat the SDP fiasco.
Sep 28th 2016, 9:47 pm
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Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
Corbyn is completely unelectable. The domination of the far left in the Labour Party is condemning the UK, or at least England and Wales, to another decade of Tory rule, or maybe longer. We are becoming, effectively, a one party state.
You are my age Novo, and you should know better. We've been round this track before. When Foot was leader, I remember one of my Labour Party friends crowing that the left had never been stronger, when in fact a smaller percentage of the electorate were voting Labour than at any time since the party was formed.
The far left in the Labour Party always confuses power within the party will power in the country. It is irrelevant that half a million members support Corbyn. What matters is that more of the public at large trust May with the NHS than him. The next election is going to be a wipe out for Labour.
You are my age Novo, and you should know better. We've been round this track before. When Foot was leader, I remember one of my Labour Party friends crowing that the left had never been stronger, when in fact a smaller percentage of the electorate were voting Labour than at any time since the party was formed.
The far left in the Labour Party always confuses power within the party will power in the country. It is irrelevant that half a million members support Corbyn. What matters is that more of the public at large trust May with the NHS than him. The next election is going to be a wipe out for Labour.
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Sep 28th 2016, 9:51 pm
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Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
Jeremy Corbyn is a step too far to the left, even for this dyed in the wool Labour supporter. The current state of the Party saddens me.
Sep 28th 2016, 10:02 pm
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Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
It's just maths:
According to the Fabian Society, in order to win the next election, Labour needs 104 seats in England and Wales and 40% of the vote to win. In the marginal constituencies, 4 out of 5 of those votes must come from people who voted Tory last time (and probably also for Brexit because of their concerns about immigration). Those people are not going to vote for Corbyn.
According to the Fabian Society, in order to win the next election, Labour needs 104 seats in England and Wales and 40% of the vote to win. In the marginal constituencies, 4 out of 5 of those votes must come from people who voted Tory last time (and probably also for Brexit because of their concerns about immigration). Those people are not going to vote for Corbyn.
Sep 28th 2016, 10:37 pm
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Re: 21st Century Socialist Man
More like a giant leap too far left. And I agree with the comments that this is a bigger mess than Labour was in in '81, which is saying something. Completely unelectable with Corbyn as leader.
Sep 29th 2016, 6:55 am
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It's one thing that David Cameron got right after the referendum, he told him, for gods sake GO.
Sep 29th 2016, 7:05 am
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Corbyn is completely unelectable. The domination of the far left in the Labour Party is condemning the UK, or at least England and Wales, to another decade of Tory rule, or maybe longer. We are becoming, effectively, a one party state.
You are my age Novo, and you should know better. We've been round this track before. When Foot was leader, I remember one of my Labour Party friends crowing that the left had never been stronger, when in fact a smaller percentage of the electorate were voting Labour than at any time since the party was formed.
The far left in the Labour Party always confuses power within the party will power in the country. It is irrelevant that half a million members support Corbyn. What matters is that more of the public at large trust May with the NHS than him. The next election is going to be a wipe out for Labour.
You are my age Novo, and you should know better. We've been round this track before. When Foot was leader, I remember one of my Labour Party friends crowing that the left had never been stronger, when in fact a smaller percentage of the electorate were voting Labour than at any time since the party was formed.
The far left in the Labour Party always confuses power within the party will power in the country. It is irrelevant that half a million members support Corbyn. What matters is that more of the public at large trust May with the NHS than him. The next election is going to be a wipe out for Labour.
As to the electorate trusting May over Corbyn with the NHS, can I have some of what you're smoking?
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