scrubbedexpat141

I said I don't work those sorts of candidates because it is not worth the hassle. I've never worked with freelance positions.

Taking advice, I'll leave it there, your hatred will not subside, I just hope you are gainfully employed for the rest of your career. All the best.

Bahtatboy

But that IS the point. Semantics (in this context) is the meaning of words. If you're trying to provide a service to an industry which ascribes to "professional" a certain meaning--and you pride yourself on understanding that industry--your first step should be to understand, and use correctly, the lexicon of that industry. Simple.

shiva

britmal, cant help but ask. if you have allowed yourself to be screwed as badly as that who's fault is it really ?

am starting to suspect your attitude is probably the reason you got ****ed in the first place. ive never even heard of someone getting screwed that badly before so it does beg the question why.

of course were you anywhere useful at what you did im sure you could get a job without going near a recruiter so why use them in the 1st place?

shiva

bit like common sense though eh......not as common as it should be

Britmal

It's part of the learning process my dear!

Many people on this forum will have had a bad experience with a recruiter or agency at some stage in their career, though some (possibily all) will not admit it.

Obviously, you have not been around long enough to understand that.

Saj786

so you are now "assuming" that many people will have had a bad experience ? ?

I suggest you dont speak for everyone, they can come on and say whatever they wish rather than you assuming !!

Britmal

I am assuming nothing.

The responses from other forum users speak for themselves, and based on those responses the conclusion must be be that recruiters are neither trusted or well liked.

scrubbedexpat141

OK;

pro·fes·sion   
[pruh-fesh-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.a vocation requiring knowledge of some department of learning or science: the profession of teaching. Compare learned profession.
2.any vocation or business.
3.the body of persons engaged in an occupation or calling: to be respected by the Medical profession.

The second point is not one I'd necessarily agree with, but that's bye the bye.

I provide a service, that service is 'professional' in the sense that I'm not a cowboy, I don't lie or use questionable tactics and I have a thorough understanding of the industry I work in. I take pride in understanding what takes place and understanding as best as I can what things mean. I can't advise on an individual if I don't have a basic understanding of what they do on a daily basis. I'm not an expert and couldn't provide you with a structural analysis of a bridge or skyscraper, but I CAN show an understanding and knowledge of what is required and what the candidate should be able to demonstrate.

I find it hard to explain. I know I'm not a professional but I believe that the service I provide IS professional because I have to demonstrate the understanding or I just plainly would not get anywhere.

Britmal

So you admit that you are not a professional but you believe that the service you provide is professional?

I think you had better stop my friend, you are just digging a hole for yourself.

scrubbedexpat141

You have completely missed the point of what I said, whether through me not being clear enough or you choosing to misunderstand. Either way, your involvement in all of this is purely negative and to rant about past issues. It really holds very little value to what Bahtatboy and others are saying.

shiva

i get the feeling britmal got screwed, ended up in a shit job and isnt good enough to get out thus its all the evil recruiters fault.

i recommend a good dose of harden the **** up and to try growing a pair.

Britmal

Instead of repeatedly attempting to justify your position, I suggest that you go and recruit someone (excluding myself) and stop talking boll**ks.

Saj786

thats exactly what I think - Britmal: quit while you are ahead..

jackthehat

Things could get interesting if Jobseekers insisted on a Written Contract from the Agent? - Just a thought, but would dread going there!

scrubbedexpat141

You are probably right. He's more then entitled to say what he thinks of the job I do and how others have done it. I've got no problem with that.

While I get frustrated that I don't think I'm scum as Britmal has suggested we all are, I wholly understand problems in the industry. I just don't see the justification in a broad label for all. It's a losing battle and war for me but I like what I do and strangely am proud of what I do.

However, in the terms of the late and very great Richard Pryor;

"You handle yours, I'll handle mine...Jack"