Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
Nov 26th 2007, 3:17 pm
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Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
Move over, Dr. Phil, there's a new relationship expert in town.
He's Saudi author and cleric, "Dr." Muhammad Al-'Arifi, who in a remarkable segment broadcast on Saudi and Kuwaiti television in September, counseled young Muslim men on how to treat their future wives.
"Admonish them – once, twice, three times, four times, ten times," he advised. "If this doesn't help, refuse to share their beds."
And if that doesn't work?
"Beat them," one of his three young advisees responded.
"That's right," Al-'Arifi said.
He goes on to calmly explain to the young men that hitting their future wives in the face is a no-no.
"Beating in the face is forbidden, even when it comes to animals," he explained. "Even if you want your camel or donkey to start walking, you are not allowed to beat it in the face. If this is true for animals, it is all the more true when it comes to humans. So beatings should be light and not in the face."
"Woman, it has gone too far. I can't bear it anymore," he tells the men to tell their wives. "If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly."
"He must beat her where it will not leave marks. He should not beat her on the hand... He should beat her in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her like he would beat an animal or a child -- slapping them right and left.
"Unfortunately, many husbands beat their wives only when they get mad, and when they start beating, it as if they are punching a wall – they beat with their hands, right and left, and sometimes use their feet. Brother, it is a human being you are beating. This is forbidden. He must not do this."
He's Saudi author and cleric, "Dr." Muhammad Al-'Arifi, who in a remarkable segment broadcast on Saudi and Kuwaiti television in September, counseled young Muslim men on how to treat their future wives.
"Admonish them – once, twice, three times, four times, ten times," he advised. "If this doesn't help, refuse to share their beds."
And if that doesn't work?
"Beat them," one of his three young advisees responded.
"That's right," Al-'Arifi said.
He goes on to calmly explain to the young men that hitting their future wives in the face is a no-no.
"Beating in the face is forbidden, even when it comes to animals," he explained. "Even if you want your camel or donkey to start walking, you are not allowed to beat it in the face. If this is true for animals, it is all the more true when it comes to humans. So beatings should be light and not in the face."
"Woman, it has gone too far. I can't bear it anymore," he tells the men to tell their wives. "If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly."
"He must beat her where it will not leave marks. He should not beat her on the hand... He should beat her in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her like he would beat an animal or a child -- slapping them right and left.
"Unfortunately, many husbands beat their wives only when they get mad, and when they start beating, it as if they are punching a wall – they beat with their hands, right and left, and sometimes use their feet. Brother, it is a human being you are beating. This is forbidden. He must not do this."
...personally I prefer if my wife gives me a good spanking when I refuse to share my bed with her...
N.
Nov 27th 2007, 5:42 am
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Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
couldn't find the thread discussing the news item about the rape sentence in the magic Kingdom... it's hit the UK papers now:
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/...he_victim.html
or at least the comments section of the Grauniad.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/...he_victim.html
or at least the comments section of the Grauniad.
Nov 27th 2007, 5:44 am
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Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
It was in a number of the weekend papers.
For comment, see Rod Liddle in The Sunday Times
For comment, see Rod Liddle in The Sunday Times
Dec 3rd 2007, 4:34 am
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Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
Dear Ladies,
[SIZE="2"]With pleasure, I've accepted your topic about (Relationship counselling-Saudi style) by (the dean) , okay it's your opinion ... but.. don't specified it by the name of (Saudi style).
But, instead of Saudi styel you can but (Islamic Religion). Are you spleeny on Saudi people?
You have to be shame at least. The British people are highly educated.
Ok, about this object ( the women in Saudi Arabia ) I'll tel you somting,
[COLOR="darkred
"Lucy Berrington finds the Muslim Faith is winning Western admirers despite hostile media coverage."
"]Unprecedented numbers of British people, nearly all of them women, are converting to Islam at a time of deep divisions within the Anglican and Catholic churches.
The rate of conversions has prompted predictions that Islam will rapidly become an important religious force in this country. "Within the next 20 years the number of British converts will equal or overtake the immigrant Muslim community that brought the faith here", says Rose Kendrick, a religious education teacher at a Hull comprehensive and the author of a textbook guide to the Qur'aan. She says: "Islam is as much a world faith as is Roman Catholicism. No one nationality claims it as its own". Islam is also spreading fast on the continent and in America.
The surge in conversions to Islam has taken place despite the negative image of the faith in the Western press. Indeed, the pace of conversions has accelerated since publicity over the Salman Rushdie affair, the Gulf War and the plight of the Muslims in Bosnia. It is even more ironic that most British converts should be women, given the widespread view in the west that Islam treats women poorly. In the United States, women converts outnumber men by four to one, and in Britain make up the bulk of the estimated 10, 000 to 20, 000 converts, forming part of a Muslim community of 1 to 1.5 million. Many of Britains "New Muslims" are from middle-class backgrounds. They include Matthew Wilkinson, a former head boy of Eton who went on to Cambridge, and a son and daughter of Lord Justice Scott, the judge heading the arms-to-Iraq enquiry.
A small scale survey by the Islamic Foundation in Leicester suggests that most converts are aged 30 to 50. Younger muslims point to many conversions among students and highlight the intellectual thrust of Islam. "Muhammad" said, "The light of Islam will rise in the West" and I think that is what is happening in our day" says Aliya Haeri, an American-born psychologist who converted 15 years ago. She is a consultant to the Zahra Trust, a charity publishing spiritual literature and is one of Britain's prominent Islamic speakers. She adds: "Western converts are coming to Islam with fresh eyes, without all the habits of the East, avoiding much of what is culturally wrong. The purest tradition is finding itself strongest in the West."
Some say the conversions are prompted by the rise of comparative religious education. The British media, offering what Muslims describe as a relentless bad press on all things Islamic, is also said to have helped. Westerners despairing of their own society - rising in crime, family breakdown, drugs and alcoholism - have come to admire the discipline and security of Islam. Many converts are former Christians disillusioned by the uncertainty of the church and unhappy with the concept of the Trinity and deification of Jesus.
Other converts describe a search for a religious identity. Many had previously been practising Christians but found intellectual satisfaction in Islam. "I was a theology student and it was the academic argument that led to my conversion." Rose Kendrick, a religious education teacher and author, said she objected to the concept of the original sin: "Under Islam, the sins of the fathers aren't visited on the sons. The idea that God is not always forgiving is blasphemous to Muslims.
Maimuna, 39, was raised as a High Anglican and confirmed at 15 at the peak of her religious devotion. "I was entranced by the ritual of the High Church and thought about taking the veil." Her crisis came when a prayer was not answered. She slammed the door on visiting vicars but travelled to convents for discussions with nuns. "My belief came back stronger, but not for the Church, the institution or the dogma." She researched every Christian denomination, plus Judaism, Buddhism and Krishna Consciousness, before turning to Islam.
Many converts from Christianity reject the ecclesiastical hierarchy emphasizing Muslims' direct relationship with God. They sense a lack of leadership in the Church of England and are suspicious of its apparent flexibility. "Muslims don't keep shifting their goal-posts ," says Huda Khattab, 28, author of The Muslim Woman's Handbook, published this year by Ta-Ha. She converted ten years ago while studying Arabic at university. "Christianity changes, like the way some have said pre-marital sex is okay if its with the person you're going to marry. It seems so wishy-washy. Islam was constant about sex, about praying five times a day. The prayer makes you conscious
of God all the time. You're continually touching base.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
[SIZE="2"]With pleasure, I've accepted your topic about (Relationship counselling-Saudi style) by (the dean) , okay it's your opinion ... but.. don't specified it by the name of (Saudi style).
But, instead of Saudi styel you can but (Islamic Religion). Are you spleeny on Saudi people?
You have to be shame at least. The British people are highly educated.
Ok, about this object ( the women in Saudi Arabia ) I'll tel you somting,
Why British Women are turning to Islaam
[COLOR="darkred
"Lucy Berrington finds the Muslim Faith is winning Western admirers despite hostile media coverage."
"]Unprecedented numbers of British people, nearly all of them women, are converting to Islam at a time of deep divisions within the Anglican and Catholic churches.
The rate of conversions has prompted predictions that Islam will rapidly become an important religious force in this country. "Within the next 20 years the number of British converts will equal or overtake the immigrant Muslim community that brought the faith here", says Rose Kendrick, a religious education teacher at a Hull comprehensive and the author of a textbook guide to the Qur'aan. She says: "Islam is as much a world faith as is Roman Catholicism. No one nationality claims it as its own". Islam is also spreading fast on the continent and in America.
The surge in conversions to Islam has taken place despite the negative image of the faith in the Western press. Indeed, the pace of conversions has accelerated since publicity over the Salman Rushdie affair, the Gulf War and the plight of the Muslims in Bosnia. It is even more ironic that most British converts should be women, given the widespread view in the west that Islam treats women poorly. In the United States, women converts outnumber men by four to one, and in Britain make up the bulk of the estimated 10, 000 to 20, 000 converts, forming part of a Muslim community of 1 to 1.5 million. Many of Britains "New Muslims" are from middle-class backgrounds. They include Matthew Wilkinson, a former head boy of Eton who went on to Cambridge, and a son and daughter of Lord Justice Scott, the judge heading the arms-to-Iraq enquiry.
A small scale survey by the Islamic Foundation in Leicester suggests that most converts are aged 30 to 50. Younger muslims point to many conversions among students and highlight the intellectual thrust of Islam. "Muhammad" said, "The light of Islam will rise in the West" and I think that is what is happening in our day" says Aliya Haeri, an American-born psychologist who converted 15 years ago. She is a consultant to the Zahra Trust, a charity publishing spiritual literature and is one of Britain's prominent Islamic speakers. She adds: "Western converts are coming to Islam with fresh eyes, without all the habits of the East, avoiding much of what is culturally wrong. The purest tradition is finding itself strongest in the West."
Some say the conversions are prompted by the rise of comparative religious education. The British media, offering what Muslims describe as a relentless bad press on all things Islamic, is also said to have helped. Westerners despairing of their own society - rising in crime, family breakdown, drugs and alcoholism - have come to admire the discipline and security of Islam. Many converts are former Christians disillusioned by the uncertainty of the church and unhappy with the concept of the Trinity and deification of Jesus.
Quest of the Convert - Why Change?
[/COLOR]Other converts describe a search for a religious identity. Many had previously been practising Christians but found intellectual satisfaction in Islam. "I was a theology student and it was the academic argument that led to my conversion." Rose Kendrick, a religious education teacher and author, said she objected to the concept of the original sin: "Under Islam, the sins of the fathers aren't visited on the sons. The idea that God is not always forgiving is blasphemous to Muslims.
Maimuna, 39, was raised as a High Anglican and confirmed at 15 at the peak of her religious devotion. "I was entranced by the ritual of the High Church and thought about taking the veil." Her crisis came when a prayer was not answered. She slammed the door on visiting vicars but travelled to convents for discussions with nuns. "My belief came back stronger, but not for the Church, the institution or the dogma." She researched every Christian denomination, plus Judaism, Buddhism and Krishna Consciousness, before turning to Islam.
Many converts from Christianity reject the ecclesiastical hierarchy emphasizing Muslims' direct relationship with God. They sense a lack of leadership in the Church of England and are suspicious of its apparent flexibility. "Muslims don't keep shifting their goal-posts ," says Huda Khattab, 28, author of The Muslim Woman's Handbook, published this year by Ta-Ha. She converted ten years ago while studying Arabic at university. "Christianity changes, like the way some have said pre-marital sex is okay if its with the person you're going to marry. It seems so wishy-washy. Islam was constant about sex, about praying five times a day. The prayer makes you conscious
of God all the time. You're continually touching base.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
Dec 3rd 2007, 5:56 pm
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Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
That was Diplomatic Mission...
Dec 3rd 2007, 6:15 pm
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Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
Not you Conf...this is for Diplo...
Dec 3rd 2007, 6:53 pm
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Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
Dear Ladies,
[SIZE="2"]With pleasure, I've accepted your topic about (Relationship counselling-Saudi style) by (the dean) , okay it's your opinion ... but.. don't specified it by the name of (Saudi style).
But, instead of Saudi styel you can but (Islamic Religion). Are you spleeny on Saudi people?
You have to be shame at least. The British people are highly educated.
Ok, about this object ( the women in Saudi Arabia ) I'll tel you somting,
[COLOR="darkred
"Lucy Berrington finds the Muslim Faith is winning Western admirers despite hostile media coverage."
"]Unprecedented numbers of British people, nearly all of them women, are converting to Islam at a time of deep divisions within the Anglican and Catholic churches.
The rate of conversions has prompted predictions that Islam will rapidly become an important religious force in this country. "Within the next 20 years the number of British converts will equal or overtake the immigrant Muslim community that brought the faith here", says Rose Kendrick, a religious education teacher at a Hull comprehensive and the author of a textbook guide to the Qur'aan. She says: "Islam is as much a world faith as is Roman Catholicism. No one nationality claims it as its own". Islam is also spreading fast on the continent and in America.
The surge in conversions to Islam has taken place despite the negative image of the faith in the Western press. Indeed, the pace of conversions has accelerated since publicity over the Salman Rushdie affair, the Gulf War and the plight of the Muslims in Bosnia. It is even more ironic that most British converts should be women, given the widespread view in the west that Islam treats women poorly. In the United States, women converts outnumber men by four to one, and in Britain make up the bulk of the estimated 10, 000 to 20, 000 converts, forming part of a Muslim community of 1 to 1.5 million. Many of Britains "New Muslims" are from middle-class backgrounds. They include Matthew Wilkinson, a former head boy of Eton who went on to Cambridge, and a son and daughter of Lord Justice Scott, the judge heading the arms-to-Iraq enquiry.
A small scale survey by the Islamic Foundation in Leicester suggests that most converts are aged 30 to 50. Younger muslims point to many conversions among students and highlight the intellectual thrust of Islam. "Muhammad" said, "The light of Islam will rise in the West" and I think that is what is happening in our day" says Aliya Haeri, an American-born psychologist who converted 15 years ago. She is a consultant to the Zahra Trust, a charity publishing spiritual literature and is one of Britain's prominent Islamic speakers. She adds: "Western converts are coming to Islam with fresh eyes, without all the habits of the East, avoiding much of what is culturally wrong. The purest tradition is finding itself strongest in the West."
Some say the conversions are prompted by the rise of comparative religious education. The British media, offering what Muslims describe as a relentless bad press on all things Islamic, is also said to have helped. Westerners despairing of their own society - rising in crime, family breakdown, drugs and alcoholism - have come to admire the discipline and security of Islam. Many converts are former Christians disillusioned by the uncertainty of the church and unhappy with the concept of the Trinity and deification of Jesus.
Other converts describe a search for a religious identity. Many had previously been practising Christians but found intellectual satisfaction in Islam. "I was a theology student and it was the academic argument that led to my conversion." Rose Kendrick, a religious education teacher and author, said she objected to the concept of the original sin: "Under Islam, the sins of the fathers aren't visited on the sons. The idea that God is not always forgiving is blasphemous to Muslims.
Maimuna, 39, was raised as a High Anglican and confirmed at 15 at the peak of her religious devotion. "I was entranced by the ritual of the High Church and thought about taking the veil." Her crisis came when a prayer was not answered. She slammed the door on visiting vicars but travelled to convents for discussions with nuns. "My belief came back stronger, but not for the Church, the institution or the dogma." She researched every Christian denomination, plus Judaism, Buddhism and Krishna Consciousness, before turning to Islam.
Many converts from Christianity reject the ecclesiastical hierarchy emphasizing Muslims' direct relationship with God. They sense a lack of leadership in the Church of England and are suspicious of its apparent flexibility. "Muslims don't keep shifting their goal-posts ," says Huda Khattab, 28, author of The Muslim Woman's Handbook, published this year by Ta-Ha. She converted ten years ago while studying Arabic at university. "Christianity changes, like the way some have said pre-marital sex is okay if its with the person you're going to marry. It seems so wishy-washy. Islam was constant about sex, about praying five times a day. The prayer makes you conscious
of God all the time. You're continually touching base.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
[SIZE="2"]With pleasure, I've accepted your topic about (Relationship counselling-Saudi style) by (the dean) , okay it's your opinion ... but.. don't specified it by the name of (Saudi style).
But, instead of Saudi styel you can but (Islamic Religion). Are you spleeny on Saudi people?
You have to be shame at least. The British people are highly educated.
Ok, about this object ( the women in Saudi Arabia ) I'll tel you somting,
Why British Women are turning to Islaam
[COLOR="darkred
"Lucy Berrington finds the Muslim Faith is winning Western admirers despite hostile media coverage."
"]Unprecedented numbers of British people, nearly all of them women, are converting to Islam at a time of deep divisions within the Anglican and Catholic churches.
The rate of conversions has prompted predictions that Islam will rapidly become an important religious force in this country. "Within the next 20 years the number of British converts will equal or overtake the immigrant Muslim community that brought the faith here", says Rose Kendrick, a religious education teacher at a Hull comprehensive and the author of a textbook guide to the Qur'aan. She says: "Islam is as much a world faith as is Roman Catholicism. No one nationality claims it as its own". Islam is also spreading fast on the continent and in America.
The surge in conversions to Islam has taken place despite the negative image of the faith in the Western press. Indeed, the pace of conversions has accelerated since publicity over the Salman Rushdie affair, the Gulf War and the plight of the Muslims in Bosnia. It is even more ironic that most British converts should be women, given the widespread view in the west that Islam treats women poorly. In the United States, women converts outnumber men by four to one, and in Britain make up the bulk of the estimated 10, 000 to 20, 000 converts, forming part of a Muslim community of 1 to 1.5 million. Many of Britains "New Muslims" are from middle-class backgrounds. They include Matthew Wilkinson, a former head boy of Eton who went on to Cambridge, and a son and daughter of Lord Justice Scott, the judge heading the arms-to-Iraq enquiry.
A small scale survey by the Islamic Foundation in Leicester suggests that most converts are aged 30 to 50. Younger muslims point to many conversions among students and highlight the intellectual thrust of Islam. "Muhammad" said, "The light of Islam will rise in the West" and I think that is what is happening in our day" says Aliya Haeri, an American-born psychologist who converted 15 years ago. She is a consultant to the Zahra Trust, a charity publishing spiritual literature and is one of Britain's prominent Islamic speakers. She adds: "Western converts are coming to Islam with fresh eyes, without all the habits of the East, avoiding much of what is culturally wrong. The purest tradition is finding itself strongest in the West."
Some say the conversions are prompted by the rise of comparative religious education. The British media, offering what Muslims describe as a relentless bad press on all things Islamic, is also said to have helped. Westerners despairing of their own society - rising in crime, family breakdown, drugs and alcoholism - have come to admire the discipline and security of Islam. Many converts are former Christians disillusioned by the uncertainty of the church and unhappy with the concept of the Trinity and deification of Jesus.
Quest of the Convert - Why Change?
[/COLOR]Other converts describe a search for a religious identity. Many had previously been practising Christians but found intellectual satisfaction in Islam. "I was a theology student and it was the academic argument that led to my conversion." Rose Kendrick, a religious education teacher and author, said she objected to the concept of the original sin: "Under Islam, the sins of the fathers aren't visited on the sons. The idea that God is not always forgiving is blasphemous to Muslims.
Maimuna, 39, was raised as a High Anglican and confirmed at 15 at the peak of her religious devotion. "I was entranced by the ritual of the High Church and thought about taking the veil." Her crisis came when a prayer was not answered. She slammed the door on visiting vicars but travelled to convents for discussions with nuns. "My belief came back stronger, but not for the Church, the institution or the dogma." She researched every Christian denomination, plus Judaism, Buddhism and Krishna Consciousness, before turning to Islam.
Many converts from Christianity reject the ecclesiastical hierarchy emphasizing Muslims' direct relationship with God. They sense a lack of leadership in the Church of England and are suspicious of its apparent flexibility. "Muslims don't keep shifting their goal-posts ," says Huda Khattab, 28, author of The Muslim Woman's Handbook, published this year by Ta-Ha. She converted ten years ago while studying Arabic at university. "Christianity changes, like the way some have said pre-marital sex is okay if its with the person you're going to marry. It seems so wishy-washy. Islam was constant about sex, about praying five times a day. The prayer makes you conscious
of God all the time. You're continually touching base.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
Beat that!
Dec 3rd 2007, 11:23 pm
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Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
Dear Friends,
We want to speak about this object with all seriousness !! ..
Why are so many Women converting to Islam?
see with me...
Christianity increased 47% (because there is some ignorance in their ideology)
World Population increased 136%
Islam increased 235%(Because there is increasing in their knowingness)
100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam.
They're discovering the FACTS and not basing their decisions on biased media. They realise they deserve to know the complete unadulterated truth.
Note:
Before you start to speak about any thing strange, don't give your judgement, until you've a good background about it, I mean generally.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
We want to speak about this object with all seriousness !! ..
Why are so many Women converting to Islam?
see with me...
Christianity increased 47% (because there is some ignorance in their ideology)
World Population increased 136%
Islam increased 235%(Because there is increasing in their knowingness)
100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam.
They're discovering the FACTS and not basing their decisions on biased media. They realise they deserve to know the complete unadulterated truth.
Note:
Before you start to speak about any thing strange, don't give your judgement, until you've a good background about it, I mean generally.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
Dec 4th 2007, 3:38 am
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Posts: 254
Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
Dear Friends,
We want to speak about this object with all seriousness !! ..
Why are so many Women converting to Islam?
see with me...
Christianity increased 47% (because there is some ignorance in their ideology
World Population increased 136%
Islam increased 235%Because there is increasing in their knowingness
100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam.
They're discovering the FACTS and not basing their decisions on biased media. They realise they deserve to know the complete unadulterated truth.
Note:
Before you start to speak about any thing strange, don't give your judgement, until you've a good background about it, I mean generally.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
We want to speak about this object with all seriousness !! ..
Why are so many Women converting to Islam?
see with me...
Christianity increased 47% (because there is some ignorance in their ideology
World Population increased 136%
Islam increased 235%Because there is increasing in their knowingness
100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam.
They're discovering the FACTS and not basing their decisions on biased media. They realise they deserve to know the complete unadulterated truth.
Note:
Before you start to speak about any thing strange, don't give your judgement, until you've a good background about it, I mean generally.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
Dec 4th 2007, 3:58 am
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Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
don't feed the trolls
Dec 4th 2007, 9:32 am
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Joined: Feb 2007
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Posts: 13,713
Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
Dear Friends,
We want to speak about this object with all seriousness !! ..
Why are so many Women converting to Islam?
see with me...
Christianity increased 47% (because there is some ignorance in their ideology)
World Population increased 136%
Islam increased 235%(Because there is increasing in their knowingness)
100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam.
They're discovering the FACTS and not basing their decisions on biased media. They realise they deserve to know the complete unadulterated truth.
Note:
Before you start to speak about any thing strange, don't give your judgement, until you've a good background about it, I mean generally.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
We want to speak about this object with all seriousness !! ..
Why are so many Women converting to Islam?
see with me...
Christianity increased 47% (because there is some ignorance in their ideology)
World Population increased 136%
Islam increased 235%(Because there is increasing in their knowingness)
100,000 people per year in America alone, are converting to Islam. For every 1 male convert to Islam, 4 females convert to Islam.
They're discovering the FACTS and not basing their decisions on biased media. They realise they deserve to know the complete unadulterated truth.
Note:
Before you start to speak about any thing strange, don't give your judgement, until you've a good background about it, I mean generally.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
or this troll has got us confused with www.brainwashingformorons.com
Dec 4th 2007, 3:24 pm
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Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
Dear Friends,
Islamic religion, has been protecting the women and her rights, because this creature needs to feel safety, veracity, affectionate and giving here all the priority every where specially in her society
, and Islam isn't allowed to violate or disregard the women rights.
Let's take a look in your bible (FACTS) about the women.
___________________________________________
1.The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}.:curse:
The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Koran 7:19-25}
___________________________________________
2.The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiastics 22:3}.
The Koran says both are an Equal Blessing {Koran 42:49}
_____________________________________________
3.The Bible forbids women from speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}.
The Koran says women can argue with the Prophet {58:1}
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4.In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, not men {Matthew 5:31-32}
The Koran does Not have Biblical double standards{Koran 30:21}
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5.In The Bible, widows and sisters do not inherit Any property or wealth, only men do {Numbers 27:1-11}:curse:
The Koran abolished this male greed {Koran 4:22} and God protects all.
______________________________________________
6.The Bible Allows Multiple Wives {I Kings 11:3}
In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the wife's permission)and prefers you marry only one wife {Koran 4:3} The Koran gives the woman the right to choose who to marry.
______________________________________________
7.'"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}
One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the rest of your life with the man who raped you.
The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:"It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)". Would the Non-Muslim men reading this prefer the Women they know to be Christian or Muslim?
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8.The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}
_______________________________________________
9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Koran gave women voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.
__________________________________________________ ______________
Note:
I'm not troll as you called me, just clear your mind from americana movies.
Many thanks for all the members especially (Rog_Rams), (jvr20) and (Meow) for their comments.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
Islamic religion, has been protecting the women and her rights, because this creature needs to feel safety, veracity, affectionate and giving here all the priority every where specially in her society
, and Islam isn't allowed to violate or disregard the women rights. Let's take a look in your bible (FACTS) about the women.
___________________________________________
1.The Bible Convicts Women as the original Sinners (ie. Eve picking from the forbidden tree){Genesis 2:4-3:24}.:curse:
The Koran Clarifies it was Adam Not Eve {Koran 7:19-25}
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2.The Bible says "The Birth of a Daughter is a loss" {Ecclesiastics 22:3}.
The Koran says both are an Equal Blessing {Koran 42:49}
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3.The Bible forbids women from speaking in church {I Corinthians 14:34-35}.
The Koran says women can argue with the Prophet {58:1}
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4.In the Bible, divorced Women are Labeled as an Adulteress, not men {Matthew 5:31-32}
The Koran does Not have Biblical double standards{Koran 30:21}
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5.In The Bible, widows and sisters do not inherit Any property or wealth, only men do {Numbers 27:1-11}:curse:
The Koran abolished this male greed {Koran 4:22} and God protects all.
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6.The Bible Allows Multiple Wives {I Kings 11:3}
In The Koran, God limits the number to 4 only under certain situations (with the wife's permission)and prefers you marry only one wife {Koran 4:3} The Koran gives the woman the right to choose who to marry.
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7.'"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives" {Deuteronomy 22:28-30}
One must ask a simple question here, who is really punished, the man who raped the woman or the woman who was raped? According to the Bible, you have to spend the rest of your life with the man who raped you.
The Prophet Muhammad Says {Volume 9, Book 86, Number 101} Narrated by Aisha:"It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage)". Would the Non-Muslim men reading this prefer the Women they know to be Christian or Muslim?
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8.The Bible also asks women to wear veils as in Islam {I Corinthians 11:3-10}
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9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a 100 years ago in the (US), while the Koran gave women voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.
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Note:
I'm not troll as you called me, just clear your mind from americana movies.
Many thanks for all the members especially (Rog_Rams), (jvr20) and (Meow) for their comments.
Yours Sincerely
Diplomatic
Dec 4th 2007, 3:37 pm
#29
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Joined: Jun 2007
Location: London & Brussels
Posts: 283
Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
As a muslim, here is my advice
1. Dont force feed
2. Be less patronising
3. Try to speak to people on the same sort of level
4. Dont overload with info. People wont read it.
1. Dont force feed
2. Be less patronising
3. Try to speak to people on the same sort of level
4. Dont overload with info. People wont read it.
Dec 4th 2007, 5:09 pm
#30
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Joined: Dec 2007
Location: Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Posts: 8
Re: Relationship counselling - Saudi style......
Dear maranelloman,
Thank you very much for your advices, actualy I'm not forced any one here, maybe I don't have that much of experience, but really I like this people very much, my teachers from U.K. and we have a good relation ship between us Muslems and Non-Muslems.
Any way, your quastions are welcomed.
Diplo...
Thank you very much for your advices, actualy I'm not forced any one here, maybe I don't have that much of experience, but really I like this people very much, my teachers from U.K. and we have a good relation ship between us Muslems and Non-Muslems.
Any way, your quastions are welcomed.
Diplo...