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The OneEyedMan Nov 11th 2016 7:02 am

DIFC Will
 
I was checking out the option of registering my will at the DIFC. Looks good but the cost is eye watering - 15k for a mirror will.

Is it worth it?

Millhouse Nov 12th 2016 6:12 am

Re: DIFC Will
 

Originally Posted by The OneEyedMan (Post 12102591)
I was checking out the option of registering my will at the DIFC. Looks good but the cost is eye watering - 15k for a mirror will.

Is it worth it?

Depends. Got any assets here?

If no, then no. If yes then yes.

The OneEyedMan Nov 13th 2016 5:15 pm

Re: DIFC Will
 

Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 12103203)
Depends. Got any assets here?

If no, then no. If yes then yes.

I suspect that the answer is rather more nuanced than that. A guy with a Trumpian empire of local property and stocks might find it an inconsequential expense, while a fellow with 100k in the bank and a 10 year old Pajero might prefer to spend his 15k elsewhere.

Of course you also have to pay for drawing up the will, on top of the DIFC registration fee. That seems to be about another 5k.

The best policy is a coffin-dodging one methinks.

Meow Nov 14th 2016 11:03 pm

Re: DIFC Will
 
I've just commented on the other thread.

It is well worth doing if you have property or significant assets in the UAE but you haven't got thee costs quite right. (See other thread re offshore accounts.)

I don't want to repeat myself but info on wills is in the link (and I have had meetings with the head of the DIFC Probate Registry about these issues).

https://financialuae.me/2016/10/10/w...t-your-family/

scrubbedexpat141 Nov 14th 2016 11:34 pm

Re: DIFC Will
 
Stop worrying mate. I haven't even got a will.

Meow Nov 14th 2016 11:52 pm

Re: DIFC Will
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12105544)
Stop worrying mate. I haven't even got a will.

Helps to have assets to distribute... ;)

scrubbedexpat141 Nov 15th 2016 12:18 am

Re: DIFC Will
 

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 12105561)
Helps to have assets to distribute... ;)

Exactly. Who wants a share of some debt? :rofl:

Meow Nov 15th 2016 12:46 am

Re: DIFC Will
 

Originally Posted by Scamp (Post 12105576)
Exactly. Who wants a share of some debt? :rofl:

Be fair. He has has a set of golf clubs and a couple of pictures. ;)

scrubbedexpat141 Nov 15th 2016 3:31 pm

Re: DIFC Will
 

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 12105590)
Be fair. He has has a set of golf clubs and a couple of pictures. ;)

One of those pictures is worth more than my sofa...

The OneEyedMan Nov 20th 2016 6:14 am

Re: DIFC Will
 

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 12105507)

If you accounts are frozen due to death, without a recognised UAE/DIFC will monies will be distributed in accordance with Sharia law and that is not what 95% of expats would want.

To register a will via the DIFC Probate Registry will usually cost more than AED 15,000. That is their registration fee for mirror wills (it's AED 10,000 for a single will) but as they do not accept any amendments most people will need to draw up new wills. That will be another AED 3-6,000 plus a few incidentals.

For British expats, in most cases, a UK will is also required.

Offshore account can be held in multiple currencies to you only transfer between USD and GBP when suits or you need to.

Pasting in this useful post from another thread, so it's all in one place.

The OneEyedMan Nov 20th 2016 6:24 am

Re: DIFC Will
 
Urban myth?

Someone told me years ago that if you have a property in the UAE, don't pay off the mortgage even if you can. Keep it going because in the event of death it helps in the distribution of the asset under a Shariah-compliant will. This was in the days before the DIFC will was possible.

Unfortunately I cannot recall the rationale behind this odd-looking stratagem. Is there a hidden logic behind it?

Millhouse Nov 20th 2016 2:49 pm

Re: DIFC Will
 

Originally Posted by The OneEyedMan (Post 12109878)
Urban myth?

Someone told me years ago that if you have a property in the UAE, don't pay off the mortgage even if you can. Keep it going because in the event of death it helps in the distribution of the asset under a Shariah-compliant will. This was in the days before the DIFC will was possible.

Unfortunately I cannot recall the rationale behind this odd-looking stratagem. Is there a hidden logic behind it?

Another reason to not pay the mortgage would be from this solid advice: never keep any material assets here.

Meow Nov 20th 2016 8:46 pm

Re: DIFC Will
 

Originally Posted by The OneEyedMan (Post 12109878)
Urban myth?

Someone told me years ago that if you have a property in the UAE, don't pay off the mortgage even if you can. Keep it going because in the event of death it helps in the distribution of the asset under a Shariah-compliant will. This was in the days before the DIFC will was possible.

Unfortunately I cannot recall the rationale behind this odd-looking stratagem. Is there a hidden logic behind it?

Assets are assets and only Muslims can have Sharia compliant wills anyway.

The OneEyedMan Nov 21st 2016 3:32 am

Re: DIFC Will
 

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 12110237)
Assets are assets and only Muslims can have Sharia compliant wills anyway.

Just to check that I understand you:

1. Having a mortgage or not on your property has no relevance to what happens after you die.

2. It is inaccurate to refer to a UAE will as "Shariah-compliant" unless you are a Muslim.

I don't quite follow the second point. I would have thought that any will drawn up in the UAE must be compliant with local law.

The OneEyedMan Nov 21st 2016 3:40 am

Re: DIFC Will
 

Originally Posted by Meow (Post 12105512)

I don't want to repeat myself but info on wills is in the link (and I have had meetings with the head of the DIFC Probate Registry about these issues).

https://financialuae.me/2016/10/10/w...t-your-family/

This link has an embedded link to a great podcast on DubaiEye:
https://omny.fm/shows/dubai-today-th...ill-10-10-2016

The discussion on wills starts at about the 10:30 mark, but the earlier stuff on state pensions etc. is interesting too.

One thing that isn't explained, or perhaps I haven't grasped it, is what was wrong with having a normal UAE will that is not DIFC-registered. How did people manage before that was introduced?


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