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Old Jul 26th 2008, 7:30 pm
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According to today's Gulf News:

http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Immig.../10231876.html

A few things to note before changing jobs
By Alice Johnson, Staff Reporter
Published: July 25, 2008, 23:42


Dubai: If you are an expatriate and are thinking of moving jobs in the UAE, be aware that the visa transfer/issuing of a new residence visa and labour card is a complicated process.

However, this process will usually be completed by the Public Relations Officer (PRO) at your previous and future employees.

Be aware of any competitive clauses in the employment contract you have signed, to see if there are any limitations to taking up new employment.

Competitive clauses may include the inability to work for a competitor to your current employer, for up to two years.

To transfer a visa, the new employer needs to gain permission from the previous employer, after gaining approval from the Ministry of Labour.


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Residence visas are usually issued for a period of three years. The UAE's free zone visas can usually be transferred from one employer to the next. However, the previous employer needs to agree to the transfer and may need to provide a no objection certificate (NOC). The NOC may need to be provided in Arabic, on headed notepaper, signed by the local sponsor.

If you have a non-free zone visa, it will need to be cancelled before a new visa can be applied for.

You will need to sign a document instructive of a six-month work ban. This ban, however, can be lifted with the NOC from a previous employer.

If a non-free zone visa is cancelled, the new employer may have to pay a fine for the duration of the remainder of the visa, if the employee has not completed a specified period of work. This period is one year for Masters and PhD holders, who can transfer sponsorship an unlimited number of times. It is two years for Bachelors degree or equivalent, and are allowed to transfer twice.

Other categories of employee with lower qualifications are allowed to transfer once during their tenure in the UAE, and must have been working for at least three years for a current employer.

The one-year clause can be exempted under certain conditions, including approval from current sponsor, minimum qualification of a high school certificate, approval from the Minister of the Undersecretary and payment of certain fees.

Under certain rules, labour categories are exempt, provided employers pay Dh3,000. These rules include a company announcing bankruptcy or if the Ministry of Labour cancels a company's license.

If you are in doubt about visa regulations and wish to change jobs/sponsorship, speak to the PRO at your future employers or a member of the Human Resources (HR) department.



The last paragraph is also important...If you read it, you won't bother the "regulars" by asking for info about the above subject...
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Why on earth should all companies have to employ a Public Relations Officer just to handle the UAE bureaucracy? My firm has four employees with not one PRO in sight.
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According to today's Gulf News:

http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Immig.../10231876.html

A few things to note before changing jobs
By Alice Johnson, Staff Reporter
Published: July 25, 2008, 23:42


Dubai: If you are an expatriate and are thinking of moving jobs in the UAE, be aware that the visa transfer/issuing of a new residence visa and labour card is a complicated process.

However, this process will usually be completed by the Public Relations Officer (PRO) at your previous and future employees.

Be aware of any competitive clauses in the employment contract you have signed, to see if there are any limitations to taking up new employment.

Competitive clauses may include the inability to work for a competitor to your current employer, for up to two years.

To transfer a visa, the new employer needs to gain permission from the previous employer, after gaining approval from the Ministry of Labour.


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Residence visas are usually issued for a period of three years. The UAE's free zone visas can usually be transferred from one employer to the next. However, the previous employer needs to agree to the transfer and may need to provide a no objection certificate (NOC). The NOC may need to be provided in Arabic, on headed notepaper, signed by the local sponsor.

If you have a non-free zone visa, it will need to be cancelled before a new visa can be applied for.

You will need to sign a document instructive of a six-month work ban. This ban, however, can be lifted with the NOC from a previous employer.

If a non-free zone visa is cancelled, the new employer may have to pay a fine for the duration of the remainder of the visa, if the employee has not completed a specified period of work. This period is one year for Masters and PhD holders, who can transfer sponsorship an unlimited number of times. It is two years for Bachelors degree or equivalent, and are allowed to transfer twice.

Other categories of employee with lower qualifications are allowed to transfer once during their tenure in the UAE, and must have been working for at least three years for a current employer.

The one-year clause can be exempted under certain conditions, including approval from current sponsor, minimum qualification of a high school certificate, approval from the Minister of the Undersecretary and payment of certain fees.

Under certain rules, labour categories are exempt, provided employers pay Dh3,000. These rules include a company announcing bankruptcy or if the Ministry of Labour cancels a company's license.

If you are in doubt about visa regulations and wish to change jobs/sponsorship, speak to the PRO at your future employers or a member of the Human Resources (HR) department.



The last paragraph is also important...If you read it, you won't bother the "regulars" by asking for info about the above subject...
yeah interesting indeed, I'm going to be leaving my comapny in the next few months and will have only been here 7 months, my company has agreed to give me an NOC but not sure if the ministry will still try to ban me, either way I'll have to speak to teh new company as you post mentions and hope they can take care of it all.
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Originally Posted by Confucius View Post
According to today's Gulf News:

http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Immig.../10231876.html

A few things to note before changing jobs
By Alice Johnson, Staff Reporter
Published: July 25, 2008, 23:42


Dubai: If you are an expatriate and are thinking of moving jobs in the UAE, be aware that the visa transfer/issuing of a new residence visa and labour card is a complicated process.

However, this process will usually be completed by the Public Relations Officer (PRO) at your previous and future employees.

Be aware of any competitive clauses in the employment contract you have signed, to see if there are any limitations to taking up new employment.

Competitive clauses may include the inability to work for a competitor to your current employer, for up to two years.

To transfer a visa, the new employer needs to gain permission from the previous employer, after gaining approval from the Ministry of Labour.


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Residence visas are usually issued for a period of three years. The UAE's free zone visas can usually be transferred from one employer to the next. However, the previous employer needs to agree to the transfer and may need to provide a no objection certificate (NOC). The NOC may need to be provided in Arabic, on headed notepaper, signed by the local sponsor.

If you have a non-free zone visa, it will need to be cancelled before a new visa can be applied for.

You will need to sign a document instructive of a six-month work ban. This ban, however, can be lifted with the NOC from a previous employer.

If a non-free zone visa is cancelled, the new employer may have to pay a fine for the duration of the remainder of the visa, if the employee has not completed a specified period of work. This period is one year for Masters and PhD holders, who can transfer sponsorship an unlimited number of times. It is two years for Bachelors degree or equivalent, and are allowed to transfer twice.

Other categories of employee with lower qualifications are allowed to transfer once during their tenure in the UAE, and must have been working for at least three years for a current employer.

The one-year clause can be exempted under certain conditions, including approval from current sponsor, minimum qualification of a high school certificate, approval from the Minister of the Undersecretary and payment of certain fees.

Under certain rules, labour categories are exempt, provided employers pay Dh3,000. These rules include a company announcing bankruptcy or if the Ministry of Labour cancels a company's license.

If you are in doubt about visa regulations and wish to change jobs/sponsorship, speak to the PRO at your future employers or a member of the Human Resources (HR) department.



The last paragraph is also important...If you read it, you won't bother the "regulars" by asking for info about the above subject...
Thanks for that conf some interesting reading as I am just about to jump ship after only 7 months, but going to a free zone, however am a little worried due to the new Visa rules, ie the visa having to be sorted before entering the country and not been allowed at all to work on a visit visa, whereas before it appears they would accept the fact the resident visa was applied for.
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Hi,

I see things haven't improved much over there in the last few years. Good luck with your new job.

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Hi,

I see things haven't improved much over there in the last few years. Good luck with your new job.

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lots of money in dubai
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Same applies for Europe, or if you want to? The "new" Middle East's called Russia or Mexico. And for every Dutch national leaving, 20 Polish nationals are moving into Holland.

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lots of money in dubai
Yes it all gets paid back in HUGE rent.....
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lots of money in dubai
With the AED at a fixed rate against the US Dollar? There should be. Very soon you can light a cigarette with a 100 Dollar bill and won't feel the financial pain. Or haven't you heard it yet? The US Dollar against the Euro is expected to drop and other € 0.11 before November 2008.

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With the AED at a fixed rate against the US Dollar? There should be. Very soon you can light a cigarette with a 100 Dollar bill and won't feel the financial pain. Or haven't you heard it yet? The US Dollar against the Euro is expected to drop and other € 0.11 before November 2008.

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P.S. Maybe that's the reason why the UK Pound also dropped against the Euro on last Friday's trading.
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Same applies for Europe, or if you want to? The "new" Middle East's called Russia or Mexico. And for every Dutch national leaving, 20 Polish nationals are moving into Holland.

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well if you work in dubai they give you house for free and car /gas and your food and all the money is yours
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well if you work in dubai they give you house for free and car /gas and your food and all the money is yours
yeah sure they do...and the moon is made of cheese.
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well if you work in dubai they give you house for free and car /gas and your food and all the money is yours
And still I earn more in Europe. And I have the cultural / social life here I missed so much in AD
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And still I earn more in Europe. And I have the cultural / social life here I missed so much in AD
yup I'm back home soon, back to normal pubs, geordie food, greenery and going to see Newcastle play then a trip to Edinburgh - really can;t wait,

I reckon I'll be home about 4 times a year from now on, does that seem excessive?
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And still I earn more in Europe. And I have the cultural / social life here I missed so much in AD
actually.....me and mrs spugsy were thinking of maybe coming to live and work in Amsterdam one day, not sure if its viable though, and mrs spugsy is a bit worried about me being in amsterdam full time as well.
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