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advice needed!
Hi there.
Moving out in January yet to decide on Dubai or Abu Dhabi.Are there big differences in price,especially accomodation wise? Hoping for a villa somewhere.Any advice on nice areas,and whether Abu Dhabi or Dubai would be nicer? |
Re: advice needed!
Hi claire,
I was just offered a job in dubai... I was told that Dubai is ahead of Abu Dhabi (However Abu Dhabi is catching up)... and cost of living is higher in Dubai. Just make sure that your employer is paying for your accomodation as Dubai is an expensive place to rent!"!! See you out there xx |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by Chasebi
(Post 5401562)
Hi claire,
I was just offered a job in dubai... I was told that Dubai is ahead of Abu Dhabi (However Abu Dhabi is catching up)... and cost of living is higher in Dubai. Just make sure that your employer is paying for your accomodation as Dubai is an expensive place to rent!"!! See you out there xx |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by Chasebi
(Post 5401562)
Hi claire,
I was just offered a job in dubai... I was told that Dubai is ahead of Abu Dhabi (However Abu Dhabi is catching up)... and cost of living is higher in Dubai. Just make sure that your employer is paying for your accomodation as Dubai is an expensive place to rent!"!! See you out there xx Abu Dhabi is a much more relaxed, less busy and hectic place. Much lower level of traffic and very few jams. It doesn't have the constant construction noise/pollution, although that will increase gradually over the next few years. Abu Dhabi is reputed to be a lot better for families (we are extremely happy with family life here). Rent is higher, but there are a lot of properties about to come on the market, and unlike Dubai, they will not be held back in order to keep the high prices artificially high - they will actually be released. The biggest difference though, if you're looking for a long term move, is that Abu Dhabi has oil which will allow the economy to grow slowly and in a sustained manner, unlike the made panic growth in Dubai. So, if you like clubs & pubs, traffic, noise, dust, pollution, crowds, construction etc. go for Dubai. If you'd rather have a slower pace of life with much less of the above, go for Abu Dhabi. (You can always visit Dubai for a dau and come away again).:thumbsup: |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by twistopher
(Post 5403130)
"Ahead" in what sense?
Abu Dhabi is a much more relaxed, less busy and hectic place. Much lower level of traffic and very few jams. It doesn't have the constant construction noise/pollution, although that will increase gradually over the next few years. Abu Dhabi is reputed to be a lot better for families (we are extremely happy with family life here). Rent is higher, but there are a lot of properties about to come on the market, and unlike Dubai, they will not be held back in order to keep the high prices artificially high - they will actually be released. The biggest difference though, if you're looking for a long term move, is that Abu Dhabi has oil which will allow the economy to grow slowly and in a sustained manner, unlike the made panic growth in Dubai. So, if you like clubs & pubs, traffic, noise, dust, pollution, crowds, construction etc. go for Dubai. If you'd rather have a slower pace of life with much less of the above, go for Abu Dhabi. (You can always visit Dubai for a dau and come away again).:thumbsup: Agreed. I have lots of friends who have moved to Dubai and come back, couldnt stand the traffic, the concrete jungle and the plastic surgery. Abu Dhabi will outshine Dubai in the end as it has more land and islands. |
Re: advice needed!
The plastic surgery? :confused:
They should have thought about it before they had it done then, shouldn't they. :zzz::zzz: |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by Meow
(Post 5403304)
The plastic surgery? :confused:
They should have thought about it before they had it done then, shouldn't they. :zzz::zzz: |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by lionheart
(Post 5403316)
You are presumably joking, my dear. I am sure she was referring to the fakeness of the people rather than their actual bodies. She makes a very good point in my view. If I had the choice, I would definitely prefer Abu Dhabi...spending an occasional weekend of debauchery in Dubai whenever the need arose.
Definitley (debauchery) that is and yes u got me on the fakeness and flakiness:thumbsup: |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by lionheart
(Post 5403316)
You are presumably joking, my dear. I am sure she was referring to the fakeness of the people rather than their actual bodies. She makes a very good point in my view. If I had the choice, I would definitely prefer Abu Dhabi...spending an occasional weekend of debauchery in Dubai whenever the need arose.
you cannot expect to have friendships like you did back home, where you grew up together, went to the same schools etc...and it generally takes longer to build a friendship when you are older, but that is not because of the fakeness of people...so many people are saying that same thing, how come they are not all best friends by now eh.... |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by MataHari
(Post 5403321)
oh not that old song again...fakeness of people...what does that mean...are people that move to Dubai different from other people in other places...
you cannot expect to have friendships like you did back home, where you grew up together, went to the same schools etc...and it generally takes longer to build a friendship when you are older, but that is not because of the fakeness of people...so many people are saying that same thing, how come they are not all best friends by now eh.... |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by lionheart
(Post 5403316)
You are presumably joking, my dear. I am sure she was referring to the fakeness of the people rather than their actual bodies. She makes a very good point in my view. If I had the choice, I would definitely prefer Abu Dhabi...spending an occasional weekend of debauchery in Dubai whenever the need arose.
I had a chat the other day with an expat woman who pays her maid 800dhs a month without a day off because "she doesn't want a day off"!:curse: Of course, she didn't think to pay the girl a decent wage and insist she has a day off to relax etc. It's that sort of attitude that really annoys me and, unfortunately, it is not restricted to the arab culture. Sorry, rant over - i'll have a cup of tea and calm down |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by MataHari
(Post 5403321)
oh not that old song again...fakeness of people...what does that mean...are people that move to Dubai different from other people in other places...
you cannot expect to have friendships like you did back home, where you grew up together, went to the same schools etc...and it generally takes longer to build a friendship when you are older, but that is not because of the fakeness of people...so many people are saying that same thing, how come they are not all best friends by now eh.... The reason Dubai has a larger concentration of "them" is because of the huge salaries and bonuses coupled with the fact that there are thousands of "servants" employed to simply do anything and everything for you (as well as Dubai). I think people feed off one another in terms of behaving more and more arrogantly and falsely. However, i think it takes a certain type of person to behave like this, and they are not restricted to Dubai, there are just a lot more of them there for the above reasons. Give Abu Dhabi 5-10 years and it'll be the same, because the same type of person will come here - sadly. |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by lionheart
(Post 5403328)
So why are so many people saying it? It's not that everybody is fake in Dubai but there just seems to be a higher than average number of materialistic and pretentious Stepford Wives type people living here...mostly from the UK I hasten to add and none on this Board of course...
of course there are those that lead that lifestyle...but I do think it's a generalisation that is being kept alive just for the sake of it... when I look at the mothers in my kids school, I don't see any of these stereotypes...they are just normal, down to earth women trying to have a good life away from home, so let's not judge all women because of those that are into maid-abusing... |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by MataHari
(Post 5403343)
people are like parrots...and like I said, if everybody is so against the fakeness, it should be easy to find friends that are likeminded...
of course there are those that lead that lifestyle...but I do think it's a generalisation that is being kept alive just for the sake of it... when I look at the mothers in my kids school, I don't see any of these stereotypes...they are just normal, down to earth women trying to have a good life away from home, so let's not judge all women because of those that are into maid-abusing... |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by twistopher
(Post 5403350)
Sorry, but no-one has generalised - we are expressing our view that there are a lot of people here who behave like that, but by no means all. The majority of people are good honest people who treat others with respect, but it's the minority who stick out because of their appalling behaviour and attitude
and why then not put more emphasis on the majority of people, that are just normal people doing their day to day stuff to make sure they and their families are having a good time here...a bit less negative and a lot more positive... it's easy not to get in contact with the ones you don't like...I never do... and I am not saying it is paradise out here...but I do believe it's what you make it yourself, and it's just too easy to blame others... |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by MataHari
(Post 5403321)
oh not that old song again...fakeness of people...what does that mean...are people that move to Dubai different from other people in other places... YES YOU GOT IT
you cannot expect to have friendships like you did back home, where you grew up together, went to the same schools etc...and it generally takes longer to build a friendship when you are older, but that is not because of the fakeness of people...so many people are saying that same thing, how come they are not all best friends by now eh.... How many people can afford to run a 4X4 in the UK or Eire, tas, insure and fill with gas, not many i can tell you How many people have maids also, 9 years ago when i lived in london i paid a lady 8 pounds an hour to do my ironing , nearly 60 dhs an hour, How many times can you go out to eat or drink in a 5* hotel in UK or EIre, we do it here every weekend, probably more. We are all living fake lives here, admit it, but the important thing is that you realise this and stay grounded and not act like an expzt brat unfortunatley Dubai i have found to be completely OTT and FAKE :thumbdown: |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by MataHari
(Post 5403359)
ok, so we agree we are talking about a minority...
and why then not put more emphasis on the majority of people, that are just normal people doing their day to day stuff to make sure they and their families are having a good time here...a bit less negative and a lot more positive... it's easy not to get in contact with the ones you don't like...I never do... and I am not saying it is paradise out here...but I do believe it's what you make it yourself, and it's just too easy to blame others... |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by annacarna
(Post 5403361)
No you can not expect to have the same friends and relationships here as you do at home, but it is also increasingly difficult to find honest and real friendships also as everyone is trying to keep up with jones's and has forgotten how they used to live
How many people can afford to run a 4X4 in the UK or Eire, tas, insure and fill with gas, not many i can tell you How many people have maids also, 9 years ago when i lived in london i paid a lady 8 pounds an hour to do my ironing , nearly 60 dhs an hour, How many times can you go out to eat or drink in a 5* hotel in UK or EIre, we do it here every weekend, probably more. We are all living fake lives here, admit it, but the important thing is that you realise this and stay grounded and not act like an expzt brat unfortunatley Dubai i have found to be completely OTT and FAKE :thumbdown: I am sorry, but I cannot see how the fact that here you can drive a 4x4, or that you can go out for dinner more makes you fake...where is the connection to that...so what are people supposed to do, they earn good money, but they cannot then go and spend it and have a different lifestyle than they did back home...who made that rule? As far as the maids are concerned, for some maids are invaluable...don't forget that the majority of people cannot rely on some sort of network over here like most can back home...there you have friends, family and decent childcare for those that work...here you are on your own... Anyway, the maids won't be better of if people wouldn't employ them, many support whole families in their home countries with their salaries...(and no, of course I am not condoning those who abuse their maids) plus...what's the harm in indulging a bit, for a few years...why be so hard on yourself and deny what is offered here...I cannot see the point myself...you only live once and you'd better make sure you'll have as good a time as you can...why the sour attitude... |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by annacarna
(Post 5403361)
No you can not expect to have the same friends and relationships here as you do at home, but it is also increasingly difficult to find honest and real friendships also as everyone is trying to keep up with jones's and has forgotten how they used to live
How many people can afford to run a 4X4 in the UK or Eire, tas, insure and fill with gas, not many i can tell you How many people have maids also, 9 years ago when i lived in london i paid a lady 8 pounds an hour to do my ironing , nearly 60 dhs an hour, How many times can you go out to eat or drink in a 5* hotel in UK or EIre, we do it here every weekend, probably more. We are all living fake lives here, admit it, but the important thing is that you realise this and stay grounded and not act like an expzt brat unfortunatley Dubai i have found to be completely OTT and FAKE :thumbdown: MM, xx |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by MataHari
(Post 5403379)
oh...lol...so those are the qualifications are they...
I am sorry, but I cannot see how the fact that here you can drive a 4x4, or that you can go out for dinner more makes you fake...where is the connection to that...so what are people supposed to do, they earn good money, but they cannot then go and spend it and have a different lifestyle than they did back home...who made that rule? As far as the maids are concerned, for some maids are invaluable...don't forget that the majority of people cannot rely on some sort of network over here like most can back home...there you have friends, family and decent childcare for those that work...here you are on your own... Anyway, the maids won't be better of if people wouldn't employ them, many support whole families in their home countries with their salaries...(and no, of course I am not condoning those who abuse their maids) plus...what's the harm in indulging a bit, for a few years...why be so hard on yourself and deny what is offered here...I cannot see the point myself...you only live once and you'd better make sure you'll have as good a time as you can...why the sour attitude... Oh dear, how is it that you can not see the connection, read the posts again. lionheart. twistopher and myself are all on the same page? So because we have no network here we should employ someone . pay them a pittance to make our lives easier and that argument that they can feed an army in their country on their salary is OLD and WEAK And i am not sour just truthful and realistic Its called the minimum wage and workers rights. hello, |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by Madam Medusa
(Post 5403390)
speak for yourself...don't have the audacity to assume anything about us and what we had and did before moving here...
MM, xx Get real |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by annacarna
(Post 5403392)
so why did you move here if your life was perfect in the UK????
Get real MM, xx |
Re: advice needed!
I don't think we'll manage to agree on this.
I think it's something you become hardened to as you spend more and more time here - newcomers can spot the arrogant false behaviour a mile off and find it irrittating to say the least. Having said that, i grew up in the Middle East and was never allowed to become an expat brat because i was lucky enough to have parents who were very grounded. I do think it's human nature to react to your environment (i.e. some people will become your typical spoilt shit, much like a lot of the traders in London) and others will remain fairly well grounded. I'd love the see the idiots return to UK when they are done out here and see how long they last before someone smacks them one for being obnoxious! |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by annacarna
(Post 5403391)
Oh dear, how is it that you can not see the connection, read the posts again. lionheart. twistopher and myself are all on the same page?
So because we have no network here we should employ someone . pay them a pittance to make our lives easier and that argument that they can feed an army in their country on their salary is OLD and WEAK And i am not sour just truthful and realistic Its called the minimum wage and workers rights. hello, ok...again, I have stated I do not agree with the abuse or exploitation of maids (or anyone else for that matter)...but that is not what we are talking about here... Fake people...that's what this is about, and you couple this to driving a different car than back home, eating out more and having a maid...well, I don't see the connection, unless you generally think that people that earn a nice salary and live a comfortable lifestyle are per se fake... Tell me how people should live their lives so you won't take offense...maybe then it becomes a bit more clear... |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by annacarna
(Post 5403392)
so why did you move here if your life was perfect in the UK????
Get real |
Re: advice needed!
Well said MH!
I get tired of people bashing on about Dubai, I work hard, I am self employed, I don't get my rent paid or medical insurance or flights home paid for. If I don't work I don't earn. I live in a nice Villa(my choice) I have a full time live in housemaid. She has a good life and plenty of time off (only me and my dogs to look after!:D) I Love Dubai, I eat in 5* restaurants, do the mani/pedi thing every week. Do Brunch every Friday and go out for drinks once or twice a week. The people who know me know I am NOT fake, I have my feet firmly on the ground. Why shouldn't I enjoy the fruits of my labour? Am I suppose to travel on a bus just because I might annoy somebody because I am extragavant and use taxis all the time? Anyway,I don't have anything to wear on a bus!!! :rofl::rofl: |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by MataHari
(Post 5403408)
there is no need to get abusive, we are just having a discussion...
No one being abusive just putting their points across. Debating sometimes gets heated:rofl: |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by annacarna
(Post 5403424)
No one being abusive just putting there points across.
Debating sometimes gets heated:rofl: |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by Patsy Stoned
(Post 5403409)
Well said MH!
I get tired of people bashing on about Dubai, I work hard, I am self employed, I don't get my rent paid or medical insurance or flights home paid for. If I don't work I don't earn. I live in a nice Villa(my choice) I have a full time live in housemaid. She has a good life and plenty of time off (only me and my dogs to look after!:D) I Love Dubai, I eat in 5* restaurants, do the mani/pedi thing every week. Do Brunch every Friday and go out for drinks once or twice a week. The people who know me know I am NOT fake, I have my feet firmly on the ground. Why shouldn't I enjoy the fruits of my labour? Am I suppose to travel on a bus just because I might annoy somebody because I am extragavant and use taxis all the time? Anyway,I don't have anything to wear on a bus!!! :rofl::rofl: lol I to am self employed , pay my rent, school fees, medical. flights home etc so glad to know you and yes if i dont work i dont get paid and i to go out every weekend have the mani /peds etc but patsy i have been here 9 years and we who are still grounded, down to earth and treat all people equal are very much in the minority and could we live this life in UK, no we couldnt. UK is too expensive for that? Yes and i say work hard . play hard but dont forget the have nots and be real by the way does everyone think you are rolling in it cos u work for yourself???:thumbsup: |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by MataHari
(Post 5403435)
I just didn't care much for the 'get real' comment....but maybe that's just me
No offence was meant:thumbsup: I didnt like the "sour attitude" that someone gave me but thats ok |
Re: advice needed!
Interesting discussion, and it begs the Socratic question "What does it take to live a good life?"
That is, why would one consider, say, life in Suburban England with the Sunday chorus of power-tools, trips to B&Q or whatever one's particular lifestyle may be to be in any sense a more "genuine" life than the lifestyle(s) available here? I find it hard to believe that location is going to affect the authenticity with which a person lives, in so far as we even have agreement on what living "authentically" actually entails.... |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by shakh your bootie
(Post 5403595)
Interesting discussion, and it begs the Socratic question "What does it take to live a good life?"
That is, why would one consider, say, life in Suburban England with the Sunday chorus of power-tools, trips to B&Q or whatever one's particular lifestyle may be to be in any sense a more "genuine" life than the lifestyle(s) available here? I find it hard to believe that location is going to affect the authenticity with which a person lives, in so far as we even have agreement on what living "authentically" actually entails.... For us...we had the 4x4 back home, and I drove a Wrangler just like I do now...we took the kids swimming on Sundaymorning, now we take them to the beach on Friday...same same but different...I don't think looking at these type of activities, like eating outdoors etc, you can label them a fake lifestyle... And anyway, how can it be fake if you are actually doing it....hmmmm |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by MataHari
(Post 5403604)
lol...I remember in Holland all the men going outdoors during the weekend, washing their cars in the street...
For us...we had the 4x4 back home, and I drove a Wrangler just like I do now...we took the kids swimming on Sundaymorning, now we take them to the beach on Friday...same same but different...I don't think looking at these type of activities, like eating outdoors etc, you can label them a fake lifestyle... And anyway, how can it be fake if you are actually doing it....hmmmm |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by shakh your bootie
(Post 5403595)
Interesting discussion, and it begs the Socratic question "What does it take to live a good life?"
That is, why would one consider, say, life in Suburban England with the Sunday chorus of power-tools, trips to B&Q or whatever one's particular lifestyle may be to be in any sense a more "genuine" life than the lifestyle(s) available here? I find it hard to believe that location is going to affect the authenticity with which a person lives, in so far as we even have agreement on what living "authentically" actually entails.... That was Socrates???? Sure Pete Doherty said that! |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by annacarna
(Post 5403613)
HMMMMM
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Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by Eva
(Post 5403617)
That was Socrates???? Sure Pete Doherty said that!
Mind you, with a face like that, what was the poor guy to do but sit and think all day???? |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by MataHari
(Post 5403604)
lol...I remember in Holland all the men going outdoors during the weekend, washing their cars in the street...
For us...we had the 4x4 back home, and I drove a Wrangler just like I do now...we took the kids swimming on Sundaymorning, now we take them to the beach on Friday...same same but different...I don't think looking at these type of activities, like eating outdoors etc, you can label them a fake lifestyle... And anyway, how can it be fake if you are actually doing it....hmmmm Hmm, is doing SecondLife on the web real, or fake.... |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by shakh your bootie
(Post 5403635)
LOL, my shallow friend. Yes, if life is the sum total of one's activities then it is ipso facto impossible to live a fake life....
Hmm, is doing SecondLife on the web real, or fake.... |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by MataHari
(Post 5403674)
lol..I was waiting for the shallow....but since Annacarna was referring to these simple lifestyle things like car, dining and maids to illustrate the fakeness of it all, I thought I would not venture any deeper....
There are lots of other examples but as we are never going to agree then ?? Ok let me ask you all on this forum one last thing, i have to work today, could you get a job in the UK, that enables you to support driving a 4x4, have a full time maid . go to 5* star hotels as norms, on a simialr salary you earn here, impossible! |
Re: advice needed!
Originally Posted by annacarna
(Post 5403738)
I gave examples of cars and maids ! As for simple who do you know in UK that has a maid?
There are lots of other examples but as we are never going to agree then ?? Ok let me ask you all on this forum one last thing, i have to work today, could you get a job in the UK, that enables you to support driving a 4x4, have a full time maid . go to 5* star hotels as norms, on a simialr salary you earn here, impossible! The only thing it proves is that people here are maybe better off, money wise... but hey...is that what it is all about in life....to think like that is a bit simple I think....the way you talk is that having money and spending it is all that counts... if you would have a payrise in the UK or a promotion, would you not spend the money to better your lifestyle...or would you think, well, I couldn't afford it before so I won't do it now either... |
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