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london_lad Jun 27th 2012 1:19 am

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by Bob (Post 10120790)
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Chances are, they do have more experience than you and probably much larger list of qualifications and degrees too.

I concur.

london_lad Jun 27th 2012 1:20 am

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by bobxbob (Post 10122415)
IT staff from th sub-continent do tend to have more qualification and certifications, but tend to lack in-depth real world experience. Where I work, the common complaint is that they don't integrate as well as the westerners. At least we Brits will give it a go when it comes to mingling, but the Indians just put their heads down and get on with the job. We can discuss football with the Saudis, places for them to visit in the UK or Europe, Hollywood movies etc...

And you think that banter alone deserves 100% more salary? (as someone mentioned earlier that subcontinent staff for with same or more qualifications is 50% cheaper).

london_lad Jun 27th 2012 1:22 am

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by sa49873 (Post 10125266)
Pythonista,

Do you know any good IT recruiters in Qatar?

thx,
Ali.

Ali,

Try monstergulf. It appears to be really good with IT jobs.

sa49873 Jun 27th 2012 1:09 pm

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by london_lad (Post 10141100)
Ali,

Try monstergulf. It appears to be really good with IT jobs.



Thanks mate but I haven't had any luck on this site too :(.

If anyone knows any good recruiters there and can provide their contact details that would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Ali

london_lad Jun 27th 2012 8:55 pm

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 
Dont worry Ali. Took me about 2 years to find something worth my while. Its slow but it works.

Sites which got me phone calls from recruiters/headhunters and some of the HR people of the companies themselves were naukrigulf, monstergulf and efinancialcareers.

Gulftalent and Bayt were hopeless for me. Id be very surprised if someone got good results out of the other two.

Have you tried approaching people through groups on LinkedIn (search for security middle east, qatar, saudi, etc as keywords).

sa49873 Jun 28th 2012 11:39 am

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by london_lad (Post 10142967)
Dont worry Ali. Took me about 2 years to find something worth my while. Its slow but it works.

Sites which got me phone calls from recruiters/headhunters and some of the HR people of the companies themselves were naukrigulf, monstergulf and efinancialcareers.

Gulftalent and Bayt were hopeless for me. Id be very surprised if someone got good results out of the other two.

Have you tried approaching people through groups on LinkedIn (search for security middle east, qatar, saudi, etc as keywords).




Yeah mate I have got accounts on all these sites and have sent quite a few emails to people on LinkedIn but no replies as such. Will keep looking.

thanks,
Ali

auzdafluff Jun 28th 2012 12:05 pm

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by sa49873 (Post 10143948)
Yeah mate I have got accounts on all these sites and have sent quite a few emails to people on LinkedIn but no replies as such. Will keep looking.

thanks,
Ali

Have you considered IT pre-sales? It's another angle to look at while you're looking for an IT department job.

douglasgrant Jul 2nd 2012 2:22 pm

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by OriginalSunshine (Post 10123795)
Usual thing - throw enough people at it and it will work.....

Yeah, also dont forget the other one, no matter how fawked up the problems are, throw enough money at it, and the problem goes away . (I'm in IT too)

douglasgrant Jul 2nd 2012 2:30 pm

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by auzdafluff (Post 10143992)
Have you considered IT pre-sales? It's another angle to look at while you're looking for an IT department job.

+1. If I were the OP, I would seriously re-read this post. What you don't want to do it position yourself in the same basket of eggs as the endless stream of Bangalore IT folks[1] and what you do want to do is position yourself as a UK candidate who understands the company's challenges in the marketplace and who has very strong technical skills and English language skills.

[1] Nothing wrong with these folks, some are very competent, some aren't. But they will almost always undercut you wage and salary wise and there is very little you can do about it. So accept it and work with it.

:thumbsup:

LukeandJo Jul 3rd 2012 7:57 am

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 
Is the basic consensus that as a UK IT guy there isn't really any point aiming for the technical positions because they will be taken up by the stream of people from places like India?


Originally Posted by douglasgrant (Post 10150448)
+1. If I were the OP, I would seriously re-read this post. What you don't want to do it position yourself in the same basket of eggs as the endless stream of Bangalore IT folks[1] and what you do want to do is position yourself as a UK candidate who understands the company's challenges in the marketplace and who has very strong technical skills and English language skills.

[1] Nothing wrong with these folks, some are very competent, some aren't. But they will almost always undercut you wage and salary wise and there is very little you can do about it. So accept it and work with it.

:thumbsup:


NorthernLad Jul 3rd 2012 12:04 pm

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by LukeandJo (Post 10151782)
Is the basic consensus that as a UK IT guy there isn't really any point aiming for the technical positions because they will be taken up by the stream of people from places like India?

Depends on what IT skills you have.

PC support, forget it. More specialised - networking, storage etc... you may have a better chance.

douglasgrant Jul 3rd 2012 6:01 pm

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by NorthernLad (Post 10152218)
Depends on what IT skills you have.

PC support, forget it. More specialised - networking, storage etc... you may have a better chance.

Nah, its storage and networking as well. Pretty much all except some very high IT management jobs.

douglasgrant Jul 3rd 2012 6:20 pm

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by LukeandJo (Post 10151782)
really any point aiming for the technical positions because they will be taken up by the stream of people from places like India?

sounds like UK and UAE are in pretty much the same boat as Canada. :getcoat:

NorthernLad Jul 4th 2012 6:06 am

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by douglasgrant (Post 10152875)
Nah, its storage and networking as well. Pretty much all except some very high IT management jobs.

Incorrect. I work in data storage and there are still good packages to be had in the region, even UAE.

douglasgrant Jul 4th 2012 10:31 am

Re: IT Professional with 11yrs exp in UK looking for a job in GCC
 

Originally Posted by NorthernLad (Post 10153693)
Incorrect. I work in data storage and there are still good packages to be had in the region, even UAE.

Thanks. I was more referring to the state of things in Canada with particular focus on the GTA. Most junior and mid IT positions you will find filled by Indians and Pakistanis. Its driven IT salaries down a bit.


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