Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > USA > Marriage Based Visas
Reload this Page >

Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Thread Tools
 
Old Jul 19th 2010, 6:20 pm
  #76  
Member
 
jeffreyhy's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 14,049
jeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

I agree with meauxna. Your petitioner is the most logical person to sponsor, and the consular officer will be expecting them to sponsor as it is the usual thing to do. They might want to see what your petitioner's financial situation looks like before going with a different sponsor.

Regards, JEff


Originally Posted by meauxna
I believe you should; I believe in taking everything with you that could be required.
The form is I-134 Affidavit of Support. It is NOT the only document required but I'm not going to ask you to read that Public Charge info one more time.

Originally Posted by aaronjamie
You've slightly confused me. Should I be bringing my petitioner's I-129F regardless of whether or not she earns enough to support us?
jeffreyhy is offline  
Old Jul 19th 2010, 10:11 pm
  #77  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 54
chrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to all
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Just to bring you all up to date on where i am.

I have had my fiance fill in the I-134 (she earns around $15-16k) although it is a relativly new job so she doesnt have much in the way of pay slips showing this.

I will also print off my savings account balance (around £6000).

Finally, (and i feel this is the one which i will draw the immigration peoples attention to) i have my fiances dads I-134. He owns his own landscaping business and his own home. I feel this should put me in good stead. All this stuff is in the post now, so im not sure what evidence shes sent, but it sounds like his tax returns and mortage information are included (he owns the house).
chrisroach is offline  
Old Jul 19th 2010, 10:25 pm
  #78  
Concierge
 
Rete's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 46,399
Rete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Originally Posted by chrisroach
Finally, (and i feel this is the one which i will draw the immigration peoples attention to) i have my fiances dads I-134. He owns his own landscaping business and his own home. I feel this should put me in good stead. All this stuff is in the post now, so im not sure what evidence shes sent, but it sounds like his tax returns and mortage information are included (he owns the house).

Private homes cannot be used as assets. If the future f-i-l's business earns him enough money to cover a household his size plus you, then all is well.

I do hope that since he is self-employed that he included the schedules with the returns or at the very least that he is forwarding IRS generated tax returns.
Rete is offline  
Old Jul 19th 2010, 10:33 pm
  #79  
MODERATOR
 
Noorah101's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 58,679
Noorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Originally Posted by chrisroach
Finally, (and i feel this is the one which i will draw the immigration peoples attention to) i have my fiances dads I-134. He owns his own landscaping business and his own home. I feel this should put me in good stead. All this stuff is in the post now, so im not sure what evidence shes sent, but it sounds like his tax returns and mortage information are included (he owns the house).
Dad in law needs to include a copy of his most recent tax return, including ALL pages, including Schedule C and 1099's (I know this doesn't mean anything to you, but when you get the tax return, if it's not sealed, make sure it's a lot more than just 2 pages long. If it's only a couple of pages, he didn't include everything). Even better are official IRS tax transcripts. If he is using tax transcripts, the tax return info might be fewer pages.

Also dad in law should include proof of his current income. Self-employed people have a little harder time showing their individual income vs the business income. He can only use his individual income to sponsor you. Individual income is calculated by taking the total business income and subtracting the business expenses. Whatever is leftover is his profit and individual income. For example, my husband is self employed...the business might earn $30,000 a year, but he might have $20,000 a year in business expenses. That would make his individual income only $10,000 a year.

Proof of income for a self-employed person can be in the form of copies of ongoing contracts, current profit & loss statements, or other items that show his current and ongoing income.

A private residence CAN be used as an asset, but lately the ConOff's are not keen on allowing it because of the bad housing market. The assets have to be able to be liquidated within 1 year at the value you claimed on the I-134. With the housing market the way it is here, that's not always likely to happen.

Rene

Last edited by Noorah101; Jul 19th 2010 at 10:36 pm.
Noorah101 is offline  
Old Jul 19th 2010, 10:37 pm
  #80  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 54
chrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to all
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Ok, but given that for the K-1 they usually accept a number of differnt sources (i.e. my fiance, her dad, and my savings) should i be able to relax knowing i have enough?

I have no idea how strict they are going to be on this at the embassy?
chrisroach is offline  
Old Jul 19th 2010, 10:38 pm
  #81  
MODERATOR
 
Noorah101's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 58,679
Noorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond reputeNoorah101 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Originally Posted by chrisroach
Ok, but given that for the K-1 they usually accept a number of differnt sources (i.e. my fiance, her dad, and my savings) should i be able to relax knowing i have enough?
I was not aware that for the I-134 they accept a number of different sources combined. Perhaps they do.

I have no idea how strict they are going to be on this at the embassy?
Neither do we.

Rene
Noorah101 is offline  
Old Jul 19th 2010, 10:42 pm
  #82  
Member
 
jeffreyhy's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 14,049
jeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

The assets also have to be able to be liquidated without hardship or financial loss. Taking out a mortgage or 2nd mortgage is one thing, but selling one's home to support an immigrant may present a hardship.

Regards, JEff


Originally Posted by Noorah101
A private residence CAN be used as an asset, but lately the ConOff's are not keen on allowing it because of the bad housing market. The assets have to be able to be liquidated within 1 year at the value you claimed on the I-134. With the housing market the way it is here, that's not always likely to happen.

Rene
jeffreyhy is offline  
Old Jul 19th 2010, 10:49 pm
  #83  
Member
 
jeffreyhy's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 14,049
jeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

It sounds plausible, considering that a sponsor is not a requirement for a K visa, and that even when a sponsor is required (which is the vast majority of cases) I-134 is not necessarily required. One could create their own version of an affidavit of support as long as it contains all the required information.

It's not "for the I-134", it's for demonstrating that the visa applicant meets the public charge provisions of the law. It's not like the immigrant visa situation where the I-864 is the specific demonstration required.

I'm not placing any bets, though!

Regards, JEff

Originally Posted by Noorah101
I was not aware that for the I-134 they accept a number of different sources combined. Perhaps they do.

Rene
jeffreyhy is offline  
Old Jul 20th 2010, 4:29 am
  #84  
Account Closed
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
scrubbedexpat099 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Originally Posted by jeffreyhy
It sounds plausible, considering that a sponsor is not a requirement for a K visa, and that even when a sponsor is required (which is the vast majority of cases) I-134 is not necessarily required. One could create their own version of an affidavit of support as long as it contains all the required information.

It's not "for the I-134", it's for demonstrating that the visa applicant meets the public charge provisions of the law. It's not like the immigrant visa situation where the I-864 is the specific demonstration required.

I'm not placing any bets, though!

Regards, JEff
The London Consulate seem to only require you to have enough dosh for the 90 days, which is logical.
scrubbedexpat099 is offline  
Old Jul 20th 2010, 8:22 am
  #85  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 54
chrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to allchrisroach is a name known to all
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Originally Posted by Boiler
The London Consulate seem to only require you to have enough dosh for the 90 days, which is logical.
It is logical. In which case, my savings of £5000 should be enough. But many people on here have already dismissed this.
chrisroach is offline  
Old Jul 20th 2010, 2:44 pm
  #86  
Member
 
jeffreyhy's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 14,049
jeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

I'm one of them, because most people who have successfully met the public charge requirement without a sponsor had a lot more than £5000. But Boiler was successful with that amount, maybe you will be also. The only way to know for sure what will work for you is to try.

Good luck, and be sure to report the result.

Regards, JEff


Originally Posted by chrisroach
It is logical. In which case, my savings of £5000 should be enough. But many people on here have already dismissed this.
jeffreyhy is offline  
Old Jul 20th 2010, 3:32 pm
  #87  
Account Closed
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
scrubbedexpat099 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

I did have a lot more, and wondered why he only took a quick glance at my bank statement and moved on. I had a rucksack full of paper covering everything else.

I found out later from others why.

I would check with the Consulate the current number, last number I had was not very much.
scrubbedexpat099 is offline  
Old Jul 20th 2010, 3:35 pm
  #88  
Concierge
 
Rete's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 46,399
Rete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond reputeRete has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Really do appreciate your experience, Boiler. However, bear in mind your interview was several years ago and lots has changed since then. Logic doesn't normally mean a great deal in these situations and it now appears that the adjudicating officer wants to see that after entry on the K-1 that there will be someone who can successfully complete an affidavit of support for the foreign fiancee.
Rete is offline  
Old Jul 20th 2010, 4:09 pm
  #89  
Member
 
jeffreyhy's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 14,049
jeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond reputejeffreyhy has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Good points, I agree. These days it may take an immigrant a lot longer than 90 days to become self-supporting.

Regards, JEff


Originally Posted by Rete
Really do appreciate your experience, Boiler. However, bear in mind your interview was several years ago and lots has changed since then. Logic doesn't normally mean a great deal in these situations and it now appears that the adjudicating officer wants to see that after entry on the K-1 that there will be someone who can successfully complete an affidavit of support for the foreign fiancee.
jeffreyhy is offline  
Old Jul 21st 2010, 4:45 am
  #90  
BE Forum Addict
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,131
adjudicator89 has a reputation beyond reputeadjudicator89 has a reputation beyond reputeadjudicator89 has a reputation beyond reputeadjudicator89 has a reputation beyond reputeadjudicator89 has a reputation beyond reputeadjudicator89 has a reputation beyond reputeadjudicator89 has a reputation beyond reputeadjudicator89 has a reputation beyond reputeadjudicator89 has a reputation beyond reputeadjudicator89 has a reputation beyond reputeadjudicator89 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Why are k-1 visas denied at the embassy interview

Originally Posted by chrisroach
Just to bring you all up to date on where i am.

I have had my fiance fill in the I-134 (she earns around $15-16k) although it is a relativly new job so she doesnt have much in the way of pay slips showing this.
Chris... I believe she has to show some type of pay-slip, perhaps a direct deposit from the employer (stating on her bank statement) If pay slips are not available, she needs to attach a letter from her supervisor where her boss clarifies her income. In other words, USCIS needs to see some type of proof of that she is really making 15-16k a year. Applicants can't just "say" oh I am making this much and expect the officials to believe it without a valid pay slip. Best wishes

Milan
adjudicator89 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.