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Old Jul 14th 2003, 10:58 pm
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Originally posted by doctor scrumpy
Who is Doc Steen, and where is his site ?
Read all about it:
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Old Jul 14th 2003, 11:00 pm
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lairdside wrote in message news:...
    > Originally posted by Kelly & John Schutte
    >
    > > lairdside wrote in message news:news:...
    >
    > > > Originally posted by Kelly & John Schutte
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Thank you for all who wrote with advice and support with out
    > > recent
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > denial of John's I-601 waiver...it means the world to
    > > us....and
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > frankly we have been walking zombies....but fighting
    > > back!!!
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Alerted the media, newspaper, TV, congressman and pulled a
    > > favor with
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > a friend who's cousin who works at INS in Atlanta.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > But just for my clarification....what is extreme hardship
    > > exactly???
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > To them....not to us...as we know...the daily heartbreak of
    > > living
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > apart...the expense and eternal limbo.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > The list on Doc Steens site seems to be outdated, I listed
    > > about 80%
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > of those reasons and still we were denied.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Does anyone have a research on this? Seems to me extreme
    > > hardship is
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > a relative term. I feel like Ive been thru the ringer only to
    > > be hit
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > by a bus.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Amazingly, my marriage is stronger than ever...and even if he
    > > never
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > gets here....I will always remain Mrs. Schutte. That, they
    > > can not
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > take away from me.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Prayers for everyone not with their sweetie tonight xxoo Kelly
    > > & John
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Schutte
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > I read that it is indeed "extreme" not "unusual" hardship
    > > which
    >
    > > > is required.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > The closest I have have been able to come to fathoming out what
    > > exactly
    >
    > > > may be required was in the reading of a few removal/deportation
    > > cases
    >
    > > > where the relief requested was not granted as the court
    > > determined that
    >
    > > > "the hardship suffered would not be different than that which
    > > occured as
    >
    > > > a normal consequence of removal/deportation".
    >
    > >
    >
    > >
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Thanks for the idea...we have been reading cases...but I wonder, would
    >
    > > it be the same reasons for obtaining a visa? We would love to be in
    >
    > > deportation....at least he'd be here!!!!! And it seems they did value
    >
    > > the children in those decisions, not asking them to go to countries
    >
    > > where they didnt know the native language or would disrupt their
    >
    > > education. They can stay here and go to school, they would prefer
    >
    > > mine live motherless!!
    >
    >
    >
    > I can understand that sentiment.
    >
    >
    >
    > I am still trying to learn how "removable" and "inadmissable" size up
    > to each other in practise so don't have a lot to offer by way of an
    > opinion on this one.
    >
    >
    >
    > I personally suspect that you hit a rather unhappy ConOff
    >
    >
    >
    > If I find anything interesting which may be worth your "checking out"
    > I'll post it.

What is your situation? Are you worried about getting here and then
being deported?

Thanks for the offer to post anything you find...John has come across
some good info this past week on the net...if you like? I can email
it to you.

I know our paperwork fell on to a strict conoff....as the consulate
general in Auckland wrote to approve.....

All I can think to do, is create some media attention. I have 2
newspaper articles written on a local man here...and the story of his
Russian bride....after the article was printed....her visa was granted
3 days later....so, I am begging and pleading with the reporters.

Also, writing the ACLU to see if my civil liberties were stepped on
in anyway.

Good luck to you and yours...
 
Old Jul 15th 2003, 2:14 am
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Please write me directly if you'd
[email protected] to hear you have an alternate
plan...but please do still apply and fight it as you never know...alot
of this is at the discretion of the reviewer...the consulate would
have approved if he had the authority. We were called via phone to
give us the bad news and she was crying! So they do have hearts
there. It really depends on where he's coming from.

Do you have children from a previous relationship?

How long have you been married?

Im just curious.



BeachBunny wrote in message news:...
    > I really feel for you... I'm preparing with my lawyer our I-601 waiver
    > since we are anticipating needing one for my husband. I printed out
    > your thread last week and showed it to my lawyer. She couldn't believe
    > that you were denied!! I can't believe it because you have like 10 x's
    > more hardship than me.
    >
    >
    >
    > We are submitting a ton of stuff, but I have no hope.
    >
    >
    >
    > Anyways, because of that we have already made our plan B. Luckily, my
    > husband is willing to move to Baja California, Mexico. If denied we are
    > going to wait out the ten years in a nice little coastal villa. That
    > way I can still commute to work and still see my family.
    >
    >
    >
    > Good Luck! Laura
 
Old Jul 15th 2003, 2:18 am
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john K wrote in message news:...
    > This is a major worry, I have sent my forms in to London & have an
    > interview date. My problem is that I was dumb in the 1980s, and have 7
    > convictions from 1982 - 89 and 1 from 1999. Some were for petty theft,
    > but the latter ones were for threatening behaviour and being in a
    > fight. Classic cases of being the bigger of the two involved & getting
    > the blame.
    >
    >
    >
    > I was advised that I would not get a k-1 but should apply for the I-601
    > as I have a chance of it on extreme hardship.
    >
    >
    >
    > Seriously, is it worth the effort of filling in the 601, let alone
    > paying the £ 130 fee ? If this guy was refused for 1 conviction 18 years
    > ago, what chance do I have with 8 to my name ? It is ridiculous, ok I
    > was wrong to do what I did, not denying that but sshould incidents
    > committed over 20 years ago count against you ?
    >
    >
    >
    > For the record I recieved non-custodial sentences in each case, fines or
    > probation etc. Any thoughts gratefully recieved
    >
    >
    >
    > Many Thanks
    >
    >
    >
    > John K



Hi John....great name...lol....I would always try...I dont regret
trying and fighting for my family ... that I will never give up on.
Do I feel hopeless at times? Yes, thanks to INS/BCIS. Can I walk
away from the love of my life? Not an option, just like I must keep
my children with me.

Alot depends on the person reviewing your case. Definately find an
attny experienced in Waivers/Criminal Law. I have personally seen
other waivers go thru with much worse crimes.

Feel free to write me directly, [email protected] or
[email protected] and write to my husband.

Good luck...and please let me know if you dont mind. We can not let
them win!!!!!!!
 
Old Jul 15th 2003, 2:22 am
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picard wrote in message news:...
    > It seems to me that some common policy is long overdue between the USA
    > and UK regarding 'spent' offences. Its time that people who have rebuilt
    > their lives should be shown some consideration? Are USA/UK not supposed
    > to be the BEST buddies in the known world??? So why the animosity?
    >
    >
    >
    > If our offence is SPENT why keep opening old wounds? I admire the US in
    > so many ways and understand their policies after 9-11. But please can
    > they wake up and smell the coffee when it comes to PAST offences and
    > start living in the 21st Century? What is past is OVER, let people
    > rebuild their lives........give them a CHANCE
    >
    >
    >
    > The truth is keeping a man and wife separated is, in the eyes of the
    > Vatican and the Pope the WORST OFFENCE that can be comitted!!!! INS
    > please take note.
    >
    >
    >
    > My thoughts and prayers are with you all.


I agree whole heartedly. EVERYONE even people at INS make
mistakes....and have something they regret in their past. Law
makers...well, their mistakes are out in the open, but still, they
hold office and make laws that keep families apart. I am an United
States Citizen, born and raised. God blessed me with John and my
children. I cant believe they expect me to chose. My children live
in limbo...my husband feels responsible, but I will always blame INS.

Everyone is allowed a 2nd chance.

We have given the illegals legal status, if they have been here long
enough. Lets see? Break the law long enough and you can stay? How
is that fair?

Good Luck to you - Kelly & John
 
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The irony being that the president himself is a convicted thief. He stole xmas trees !
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I just emailed you!

Bush stole xmas trees?? How did I miss this??

All I know is that I'm switching parties.. I'm no longer going to be a Republican.. haven't decided what I'm switching to though.
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Old Jul 15th 2003, 6:32 am
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Originally posted by Kelly & John Schutte
lairdside wrote in message news:...
    > Originally posted by Kelly & John Schutte
    >
    > > lairdside wrote in message news:news:...
    >
    > > > Originally posted by Kelly & John Schutte
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Thank you for all who wrote with advice and support with out
    > > recent
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > denial of John's I-601 waiver...it means the world to
    > > us....and
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > frankly we have been walking zombies....but fighting
    > > back!!!
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Alerted the media, newspaper, TV, congressman and pulled a
    > > favor with
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > a friend who's cousin who works at INS in Atlanta.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > But just for my clarification....what is extreme hardship
    > > exactly???
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > To them....not to us...as we know...the daily heartbreak of
    > > living
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > apart...the expense and eternal limbo.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > The list on Doc Steens site seems to be outdated, I listed
    > > about 80%
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > of those reasons and still we were denied.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Does anyone have a research on this? Seems to me extreme
    > > hardship is
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > a relative term. I feel like Ive been thru the ringer only to
    > > be hit
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > by a bus.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Amazingly, my marriage is stronger than ever...and even if he
    > > never
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > gets here....I will always remain Mrs. Schutte. That, they
    > > can not
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > take away from me.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Prayers for everyone not with their sweetie tonight xxoo Kelly
    > > & John
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > > Schutte
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > I read that it is indeed "extreme" not "unusual" hardship
    > > which
    >
    > > > is required.
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > >
    >
    > > > The closest I have have been able to come to fathoming out what
    > > exactly
    >
    > > > may be required was in the reading of a few removal/deportation
    > > cases
    >
    > > > where the relief requested was not granted as the court
    > > determined that
    >
    > > > "the hardship suffered would not be different than that which
    > > occured as
    >
    > > > a normal consequence of removal/deportation".
    >
    > >
    >
    > >
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Thanks for the idea...we have been reading cases...but I wonder, would
    >
    > > it be the same reasons for obtaining a visa? We would love to be in
    >
    > > deportation....at least he'd be here!!!!! And it seems they did value
    >
    > > the children in those decisions, not asking them to go to countries
    >
    > > where they didnt know the native language or would disrupt their
    >
    > > education. They can stay here and go to school, they would prefer
    >
    > > mine live motherless!!
    >
    >
    >
    > I can understand that sentiment.
    >
    >
    >
    > I am still trying to learn how "removable" and "inadmissable" size up
    > to each other in practise so don't have a lot to offer by way of an
    > opinion on this one.
    >
    >
    >
    > I personally suspect that you hit a rather unhappy ConOff
    >
    >
    >
    > If I find anything interesting which may be worth your "checking out"
    > I'll post it.

What is your situation? Are you worried about getting here and then
being deported?

Thanks for the offer to post anything you find...John has come across
some good info this past week on the net...if you like? I can email
it to you.

I know our paperwork fell on to a strict conoff....as the consulate
general in Auckland wrote to approve.....

All I can think to do, is create some media attention. I have 2
newspaper articles written on a local man here...and the story of his
Russian bride....after the article was printed....her visa was granted
3 days later....so, I am begging and pleading with the reporters.

Also, writing the ACLU to see if my civil liberties were stepped on
in anyway.

Good luck to you and yours...
I would love to read anything that you guys have found.

My email is [email protected] or [email protected]

I'm a CPR at present and my daughter is an adjustment applicant. I hope that they don't try to remove us but at least I believe that we'd be entitled to a hearing.

I don't expect them to but technically with the BCIS, it's possible - I don't put a lot past them....
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Old Jul 15th 2003, 9:40 am
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Can someone help with a few answers to 601 question please. Who actually fills in the form ? Me in uk or fiancé in the us ?
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Originally posted by john K
Can someone help with a few answers to 601 question please. Who actually fills in the form ? Me in uk or fiancé in the us ?
Hi:

Either one. However, the form is easy. It is in the supporting documents and legal briefing that the REAL work comes in.
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Old Jul 15th 2003, 10:53 am
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MrsLondon wrote in message news:...
    > Kelly, will John still be able to get into the US on visits, or not?

Hello...no, he will not be granted a visa nor can he travel on the
VWPP anylonger I dont know exactly what is written, but they have it
in his passport....he is too much of a risk to stay if he got here.

Thanks for asking
 
Old Jul 15th 2003, 10:56 am
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BeachBunny wrote in message news:...
    > I just emailed you!
    >
    >
    >
    > Bush stole xmas trees?? How did I miss this??
    >
    >
    >
    > All I know is that I'm switching parties.. I'm no longer going to be a
    > Republican.. haven't decided what I'm switching to though.

I know!! I got your emails....and Im soooo glad to find someone else
living this life....

Funny thing? Bush stealing trees? ha ha

I read your letter....WOW....what a story...has your attny seen it?
and feel you should edit, remove or add anything? What feels
important to us, might not be best to tell....

I will definately not ever forget your story ..... please keep in
touch and let me know....Kelly & John
 
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There's a forum in ilw.com that has a long thread about this topic. The supporting documents are very important such as order from court, notarized letters, etc.

Hope this helps.
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Old Jul 15th 2003, 11:33 am
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Originally posted by Kelly & John Schutte

What is your situation? Are you worried about getting here and then
being deported?

Thanks for the offer to post anything you find...John has come across
some good info this past week on the net...if you like? I can email
it to you.

I know our paperwork fell on to a strict conoff....as the consulate
general in Auckland wrote to approve.....

All I can think to do, is create some media attention. I have 2
newspaper articles written on a local man here...and the story of his
Russian bride....after the article was printed....her visa was granted
3 days later....so, I am begging and pleading with the reporters.

Also, writing the ACLU to see if my civil liberties were stepped on
in anyway.

Good luck to you and yours...
Good Luck to you both.

It's difficult for most people to swallow the fact that the government would do this to people, but they do and IMHO will continue to do so until something is done about it.

Why? Because they can.

No easy task but not insurmountable I am sure.

Perhaps if I do a good enough job of writing my doctoral thesis on this and similar matters (it's all up in the air with my supervisor is pointing me in that direction for consideration, I have a while to go yet before I start in on things) I will be able to convince someone to give me a job (and a grant) to do research.

Do you think that people would mind?
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Originally posted by Kelly & John Schutte


I know!! I got your emails....and Im soooo glad to find someone else
living this life....

Funny thing? Bush stealing trees? ha ha

I read your letter....WOW....what a story...has your attny seen it?
and feel you should edit, remove or add anything? What feels
important to us, might not be best to tell....

I will definately not ever forget your story ..... please keep in
touch and let me know....Kelly & John
I met with her today to discuss our waiver. She needs to complete it by friday since i'm leaving monday morning for london.

She just wants me to add a little more in regards to my career here. Also, add a little more emotion!! I thought I had enough of that.. there were times were I was crying while writing it. Overall she thought the letter was good. She was going to go over it with a tooth comb when I left her to double check that I don't need to edit anything out.

Laura
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