VERY OT~But I needed to POST HERE!
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Re: VERY OT~But I needed to POST HERE!
Originally Posted by UKintheUSA
I need some clarification from some of the members here with regards to differences between the way American men treat and respect women and the way men from the United Kingdom treat and respect women. Is it me but do the men from the UK seem to be extremely Chauvanistic towards women and treat them differently than the way American men do? I am referring to thinking that the woman was put here to wait on them hand and foot, clean up and pick up after them and speak to them in unkind and disrespectful ways at times. ( Like shut the F*&K UP ) and things of this nature. I love my husband dearly but I can't seem to get it thru to him that this is an unacceptable way to speak to me in or during an argument. He continues to do this and no matter what I do he keeps doing it. I have also told him that I am not Cinderella and I am not the MAID. It seems all I ever do is pick up after him and I am tired of it. We live in a gorgeous HUGE home and I am a clean freak. He continues to leave his clothes in piles, tools all over the house, shoes everywhere, etc. I was married 2 times before this and neither husband was like this. It didn't them long to realize I wasn't here to be their servant. SO please, tell me if this is HOW THEY ARE or just THIS ONE?
Like I said, I love him dearly but I need to understand what is going on.
Deb
Like I said, I love him dearly but I need to understand what is going on.
Deb
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Re: VERY OT~But I needed to POST HERE!
Originally Posted by UKintheUSA
I need some clarification from some of the members here with regards to differences between the way American men treat and respect women and the way men from the United Kingdom treat and respect women. Is it me but do the men from the UK seem to be extremely Chauvanistic towards women and treat them differently than the way American men do? I am referring to thinking that the woman was put here to wait on them hand and foot, clean up and pick up after them and speak to them in unkind and disrespectful ways at times. ( Like shut the F*&K UP ) and things of this nature. I love my husband dearly but I can't seem to get it thru to him that this is an unacceptable way to speak to me in or during an argument. He continues to do this and no matter what I do he keeps doing it. I have also told him that I am not Cinderella and I am not the MAID. It seems all I ever do is pick up after him and I am tired of it. We live in a gorgeous HUGE home and I am a clean freak. He continues to leave his clothes in piles, tools all over the house, shoes everywhere, etc. I was married 2 times before this and neither husband was like this. It didn't them long to realize I wasn't here to be their servant. SO please, tell me if this is HOW THEY ARE or just THIS ONE?
Like I said, I love him dearly but I need to understand what is going on.
Deb
Like I said, I love him dearly but I need to understand what is going on.
Deb
My dog in the Uk was alot less agressive than the one I have here in the US
is it because he has American blood.?
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Re: VERY OT~But I needed to POST HERE!
Originally Posted by UKintheUSA
I need some clarification from some of the members here with regards to differences between the way American men treat and respect women and the way men from the United Kingdom treat and respect women. Is it me but do the men from the UK seem to be extremely Chauvanistic towards women.............
Deb
Deb
No, in my experience this is NOT how British men generally behave. But this type of behaviour tends to be learnt at home, so my guess is that this is what he was used to when he grew up. But this is no excuse.
As for shouting expletives at you - this can happen in the heat of the argument, but if it's a regular occurrence, and if he doesn't apologize and/or realise it is wrong, you have a problem.
If he cannot see this, the two of you probably need counselling.
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Re: VERY OT~But I needed to POST HERE!
Originally Posted by UKintheUSA
I need some clarification from some of the members here with regards to differences between the way American men treat and in piles, tools all over the house, shoes everywhere, etc. I was married 2 times before this and neither husband was like this.
Deb
Deb
Hey Deb, don't be the victim...cheers
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Originally Posted by Elvira
No, in my experience this is NOT how British men generally behave. But this type of behaviour tends to be learnt at home, so my guess is that this is what he was used to when he grew up.
Neither my husband, dad, father-in-law etc, act that way. I do however have a couple of american friends whose american husbands are lazy slobs who expect them to do everything for them, and my british brother-in-law thinks my sister is his personal maid.
It's not a nationality thing, it's something they learn growing up.
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Originally Posted by Sue
It's not a nationality thing, it's something they learn growing up.
Hugs,
Rene
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Re: VERY OT~But I needed to POST HERE!
Originally Posted by UKintheUSA
I need some clarification from some of the members here with regards to differences between the way American men treat and respect women andon.
Deb
Deb
Deb, my US husband is so kind and loving and is the only reason I'm here in this country today....my life and friend's are in the UK but he is so liked in business and in general and in every way. I know sounds too good to be true but he is. All my girlfriends want a man just like mine....and so like I said earlier pls don't be a victim and I know that's easier said than done, take care of yourself.
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Re: VERY OT~But I needed to POST HERE!
Originally Posted by UKintheUSA
I need some clarification from some of the members here with regards to differences between the way American men treat and respect women and the way men from the United Kingdom treat and respect women. Is it me but do the men from the UK seem to be extremely Chauvanistic towards women and treat them differently than the way American men do? I am referring to thinking that the woman was put here to wait on them hand and foot, clean up and pick up after them and speak to them in unkind and disrespectful ways at times. ( Like shut the F*&K UP ) and things of this nature. I love my husband dearly but I can't seem to get it thru to him that this is an unacceptable way to speak to me in or during an argument. He continues to do this and no matter what I do he keeps doing it. I have also told him that I am not Cinderella and I am not the MAID. It seems all I ever do is pick up after him and I am tired of it. We live in a gorgeous HUGE home and I am a clean freak. He continues to leave his clothes in piles, tools all over the house, shoes everywhere, etc. I was married 2 times before this and neither husband was like this. It didn't them long to realize I wasn't here to be their servant. SO please, tell me if this is HOW THEY ARE or just THIS ONE?
Like I said, I love him dearly but I need to understand what is going on.
Deb
Like I said, I love him dearly but I need to understand what is going on.
Deb
His behaviors to you may be the way his father treated his mother or, if he's been married before, how he's behaved to previous wives or partners.
No-one should have to put up with the behaviors you describe. He's not a kid. He should treat his home as his home, not a hotel.
You have to address his slovenly and disrespectful behavior immediately. Otherwise, he'll think it's OK/acceptable.
The two of you need to discuss this matter soon.
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Re: VERY OT~But I needed to POST HERE!
Originally Posted by UKintheUSA
Like I said, I love him dearly but I need to understand what is going on.
Deb
Deb
BTW, I have only heard the joke "What does WIFE stand for?" in the UK, not the US. Anwer, if anyone doesn't know already, will be given by PM *only*, with all suitable disclaimers that if you're offended, that's *YOUR* problem, not mine...
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I'm going to have to chime in with everyone else and say that that kind of behaviour is his personality, not that of an entire country. I think there are men just like that in this (USA) country as well as many others. And like others said it's very likely that that is how he grew up. If Patrick ever talked to me that way I'd be VERY upset. And I know he'd never dare to talk to me that way. We don't use ugly words like that toward each other. I have NO problem throwing the "f" word in a single sentence 3 times, but Patrick and I would never use such words towards one another. I'm very sorry to hear that you have to go through hearing such verbal abuse. Sorry, I don't mean to make the situation worse and speak badly about your husband. But I would wish for your sake that he would stop saying such things...especially if you have brought it to his attention!
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I'm only going to comment on the being a slob part, because I have first hand experience of being a slob married to a clean freak. I am the slob, my husband is the clean freak.
First off, you're right, you're not the maid. But he may not be expecting you to be the maid either. Stop picking up after him. Let the shoes be in piles or a pair here and a pair there. Let him not be able to find anything. Leave the dirty laundry in the pile he made. Make an announcement before you do the laundry (if you do the laundry): I'm doing the laundry today, can you bring whatever you want washed to the laundry room and I would be glad to do it along with the rest of the wash.
My second piece of advice (BTW this was the only advice my mother gave me when I got married): hire a cleaning person/service. My mother told me it was worth the money to not have to argue about this aspect of life and let all kinds of resentments build up. She was right. We have a lady who comes once a week on Fridays. That way we at least have a semi-clean house over the weekend.
Bottom line is, the two of you may just have very different tolerance levels for dirt and clutter. The "neat and clean" way is not necessarily the "right" way nor is it the only way to live. You either compromise on this or you will pick up after him for the rest of your life (or until you can't stand it anymore and divorce him). You are not going to get him to be like you and be neat all the time and always put things back where they belong. But neither do you have to live in a total pigsty. There is a compromise somewhere in the middle.
Get the cleaning lady, trust me it helps a lot.
First off, you're right, you're not the maid. But he may not be expecting you to be the maid either. Stop picking up after him. Let the shoes be in piles or a pair here and a pair there. Let him not be able to find anything. Leave the dirty laundry in the pile he made. Make an announcement before you do the laundry (if you do the laundry): I'm doing the laundry today, can you bring whatever you want washed to the laundry room and I would be glad to do it along with the rest of the wash.
My second piece of advice (BTW this was the only advice my mother gave me when I got married): hire a cleaning person/service. My mother told me it was worth the money to not have to argue about this aspect of life and let all kinds of resentments build up. She was right. We have a lady who comes once a week on Fridays. That way we at least have a semi-clean house over the weekend.
Bottom line is, the two of you may just have very different tolerance levels for dirt and clutter. The "neat and clean" way is not necessarily the "right" way nor is it the only way to live. You either compromise on this or you will pick up after him for the rest of your life (or until you can't stand it anymore and divorce him). You are not going to get him to be like you and be neat all the time and always put things back where they belong. But neither do you have to live in a total pigsty. There is a compromise somewhere in the middle.
Get the cleaning lady, trust me it helps a lot.
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Re: VERY OT~But I needed to POST HERE!
Originally Posted by UKintheUSA
I can't seem to get it thru to him that this is an unacceptable way to speak to me in or during an argument.
If you have someplace to escape to, pack a bag for a few days and take it over there. Withdraw sufficient funds beforehand to make sure you can pay for things in cash for a few days. Then consider a good swift kick to the family jewels and a hasty retreat! After a day or two, he may be more receptive to change.
Ian
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Originally Posted by Sue
I concur.
Neither my husband, dad, father-in-law etc, act that way. I do however have a couple of american friends whose american husbands are lazy slobs who expect them to do everything for them, and my british brother-in-law thinks my sister is his personal maid.
It's not a nationality thing, it's something they learn growing up.
Neither my husband, dad, father-in-law etc, act that way. I do however have a couple of american friends whose american husbands are lazy slobs who expect them to do everything for them, and my british brother-in-law thinks my sister is his personal maid.
It's not a nationality thing, it's something they learn growing up.
AND you know the worst part-it's a WOMAN that is the one that causes it. For what it's worth, I did try to teach my son things that were "traditionally" a woman's tasks. My daughter in law says he is a better cook than her!
On the other hand, I am married to someone who was pretty much waited on hand and foot since for the most part his mother did not work outside the home. It isn't easy trying to teach an old dog new tricks.
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Re: VERY OT~But I needed to POST HERE!
Originally Posted by UKintheUSA
I need some clarification from some of the members here with regards to differences between the way American men treat and respect women and the way men from the United Kingdom treat and respect women. Is it me but do the men from the UK seem to be extremely Chauvanistic towards women and treat them differently than the way American men do? I am referring to thinking that the woman was put here to wait on them hand and foot, clean up and pick up after them and speak to them in unkind and disrespectful ways at times. ( Like shut the F*&K UP ) and things of this nature. I love my husband dearly but I can't seem to get it thru to him that this is an unacceptable way to speak to me in or during an argument. He continues to do this and no matter what I do he keeps doing it. I have also told him that I am not Cinderella and I am not the MAID. It seems all I ever do is pick up after him and I am tired of it. We live in a gorgeous HUGE home and I am a clean freak. He continues to leave his clothes in piles, tools all over the house, shoes everywhere, etc. I was married 2 times before this and neither husband was like this. It didn't them long to realize I wasn't here to be their servant. SO please, tell me if this is HOW THEY ARE or just THIS ONE?
Like I said, I love him dearly but I need to understand what is going on.
Deb
Like I said, I love him dearly but I need to understand what is going on.
Deb