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Old Dec 24th 2003, 8:58 pm
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Originally posted by Rete
The odds should be the same as the first time. She has not done anything illegal nor has she overstayed. They might question why she returned to Austria and if she is really sure this time that she will go through with the wedding. They might want confirmation from you that you are truly willing to go through with it.

But I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Do you really trust her not to do the same thing over again? She wanted you and wanted to marry you. She was sure of her emotions and thought she could handle the separation from family and friends. Then at the 11th hour, off she goes back to Austria because she is homesick and misses her family only to deplane in Paris and decide she wants to come back to you. Not saying that she does not love you and would not make you a good wife and mother for your children but wonder just how mature she really is in light of her seesawing of emotions.

Now that she is gone, perhaps it is the time for both of you to be honest with yourselves about your wants, needs and desires. And once you have that known, discuss it with each other openly and honestly. And don't be afraid to tell her just how painful all of this was on you.

I wish you only the best but someone (and I know your family is telling something similar) has to voice it and not just be the one to offer condolences and hope.

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thanks rete for you honest opinion. im not concerned right now about whether or not i will go through it again nor if i emotionally could. i was just curious as to the possibility of it again. but for now i can only try to put the pieces back together and take care of myself. once again thank you
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Old Dec 24th 2003, 8:59 pm
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    > "Let go"

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You are right about that. When I posted, I didn't know if he'd gone to the
hotel when she called. I thought maybe he hadn't gone there. Since he had gone
over, and she still left, it's time to let go. LTG
 
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Hyper and Brian

That is not true. He can file again, immediately if he and she wish too.

Don't know if Austria will do a DCF for a non-resident USC. Something he would have to look into.

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Thanks for clarifying that
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Originally posted by brianheart
thanks rete for you honest opinion. im not concerned right now about whether or not i will go through it again nor if i emotionally could. i was just curious as to the possibility of it again. but for now i can only try to put the pieces back together and take care of myself. once again thank you
As far as others said.. Try to have fun and make your son happy, You have plenty of time to think what to do
Keep us updated please!!!
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Old Dec 26th 2003, 9:13 pm
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To be quite honest, I wouldn't even worry about getting the visa again at this stage. If it's what you want, then you need to just concentrate on re-establishing a relationship. You need to do the LDR thing again, for a while, I'm afraid. You need to talk and talk, be romanic, take a holiday or two together.

Real love doesn't come your way too often, and is not to be lightly cast aside. Believe me, I suffered when my husband left me, but I never gave up hope that we'd be together again. I was the one who wanted him to move, so I was prepared to be patient.

Immigration often forces people to rush into decisions like getting married, unfortunately. I think out of the two choices of flight or fight she was faced with being in an alien environment, she chose flight (as did my husband. And don't forget your fiancée had a different language in her new country which my husband did not). Eventually maybe she'll be strong enough to fight instead.

I often think that emigrating is a little like bereavement. The immigrant is in mourning for their old life. But like bereavement, time is the only helper.

(And btw my husband had to get a second visa and got it no problems. This was the UK so we didn't have to wait, fortunately, but the principle that they know people are only human and 'runaway bride' syndrome does happen, it just as applicable in the US and I think they will understand).

I truly wish you all the best whatever happens.

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To be quite honest, I wouldn't even worry about getting the visa again at this stage. If it's what you want, then you need to just concentrate on re-establishing a relationship. You need to do the LDR thing again, for a while, I'm afraid. You need to talk and talk, be romanic, take a holiday or two together.

Real love doesn't come your way too often, and is not to be lightly cast aside. Believe me, I suffered when my husband left me, but I never gave up hope that we'd be together again. I was the one who wanted him to move, so I was prepared to be patient.

Immigration often forces people to rush into decisions like getting married, unfortunately. I think out of the two choices of flight or fight she was faced with being in an alien environment, she chose flight (as did my husband. And don't forget your fiancée had a different language in her new country which my husband did not). Eventually maybe she'll be strong enough to fight instead.

I often think that emigrating is a little like bereavement. The immigrant is in mourning for their old life. But like bereavement, time is the only helper.

(And btw my husband had to get a second visa and got it no problems. This was the UK so we didn't have to wait, fortunately, but the principle that they know people are only human and 'runaway bride' syndrome does happen, it just as applicable in the US and I think they will understand).

I truly wish you all the best whatever happens.
hi mrslondon,
there are alot of other variables involved in this whole situation. our relationship had no problems. neither one of us ever doubted the others love. it was more than just homesick. i dont want to get into details, but i will just say that while waiting for the visa for 10 months, she never ever once heard anyone say good luck, you'll do great in america, you'll have a good life there, you'll make each other so happy now that you will be together. she had no support ( except from me ). when someone hears only negative things every single day it comes to a point when there is an emotional breakdown. unfortunately, it was here that the breakdown happend. she acknowledges the fact that she needs help. she's not crazy or anything like that, she needs emotional support and she can work through this. she knows that she made a terrible decision. and she wishes she could change it. of course you cant change the past. you can only go forward. when i asked her to marry me it meant that i love her unconditionally. if it means we have to be apart for awhile, then i will wait for her, cuz obviously she has to take care of herself first. like i said, i'm not looking too far into the future, and i just take one day at a time, but if there is a glimmer of hope for us, we will see it in the next few weeks, or months. also, when i talked to our immigration attorney today, i told him what happend, and he said as long as she didnt break any laws or overstay, then there shouldnt be much of a problem to get another visa. although, immigration officials would like an explanation, which i think is reasonable. and she has always left the country when she was supposed to. so its not a matter of "oh i wanna come to america". i think her history of coming and going also is proof that she is only human and needed more time.thank you all for your support, it really means alot to me.

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Very best of luck to you. I do think that this process puts even the strongest of relationships under great pressure and that's when you have supportive people around you.

Have her family met you? Have any of them travelled to the US?
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Old Dec 27th 2003, 8:49 pm
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Brian,

I can't remember the exact quote, but the character in the British
movie "The Croupier" taught me a valuable life lesson. It went
something like this: while you've got 'em, love 'em hard; but when
it's time to let go, don't look back. (I completely massacred the
original quote, but that's the gist of what it meant).

I learned that lesson the hard way with a past love, going through a
similar experience to yours. My suggestion is to not listen to those
who encourage you to second guess how you handled this situation. I
believe you when you say you did everything you humanly could to save
the relationship. If it wasn't meant to be, it just wasn't meant to
be, and your efforts weren't going to change that.

Moving to a foreign country is hard, for anyone. Some people do it
very easily. My wife is European and her entire life in Europe she
dreamed of living in America; so she is very happy here having moved
here 8 years ago as a student. But others have a much harder time,
such as your girlfriend. My ex-girlfriend from many years ago was also
European (ok, call it a fetish if you will) and unlike my wife, she
was scared and anxious about leaving her home culture and trying to
adapt to American life. We broke up, and it was painful for both of
us. But after time, I accepted it as what was meant to be. It's no
one's fault; it's just the way things are.

In my opinion, it is better that your ex-girlfriend realized now that
she would be unhappy living in the US for the rest of her life, rather
than ignoring her fear, marrying you, and only realizing it 5 years
from now. This fact doesn't diminish the love you had for each other.
It sounds like you had a wonderful romance that will leave you with
great memories for the rest of your life. Don't blame yourself, and
don't blame her, for accepting the reality that neither of you would
be happy living in the other's foreign country. Give yourself some
time to mourn this loss, but rest assured that you will get over it,
you will move on, and you will find love again. Just be patient.
 
Old Dec 28th 2003, 6:29 am
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In article <[email protected]>, member9271
@british_expats.com says...
    >
    > well like i said, i did everything i could. i honestly dont see any
    > sense in going through all of this again. i really thought she had her
    > life together and knew what she wanted. she told me that for 10 months
    > while waiting for the visa. something happend during that time. i dont
    > know what it is. i know my feelings did not change. why should i put
    > myself through it again and my family. my son keeps asking how are we
    > going to send her gifts to her. he dont fully understand what has
    > happend. as far as sending flowers and letters, i can only ask why? it
    > just keeps it stirred up and hurting even more. i had to let her go. and
    > i did. anyway you know that saying, if you love it, let it go. if it
    > loves you it will come back. well, it didnt come back. there are alot
    > more details to this whole thing, but nothing that would point and say
    > this is what did it. our relationship was fine. the time i spent with
    > her she was happy. when i had to go to work she was miserable. like i
    > said i did everything within reason that i could do. yes i went back to
    > the hotel cuz she was so hysterical and incoherent. i thought she would
    > hurt herself. i stayed the night there and left in the morning for work.
    > that was the last time i will ever see her again.
    >

I just showed your post to my wife, who has been away from her home in
Australia for 6 months now (we recently married after 5 months here on
her B-2 visitor's visa and I've just filed for AOS for her.) Even
though we are deeply in love, and this has never been in doubt, it has
still been extraordinarily difficult for her. She basically had to
largely give up the entire life she had in order to be with me, and
she's been through a lot of emotional pain and grieving as a result.
The joy of our love doesn't *erase* her pain of separation from home and
friends and family, it just makes it seem worth it to her which is a
much different thing.

In our situation also, things have been much more difficult for her when
I'm at work, and it will be that way until she builds a more complete
personal life here.

I have previously been through the pain of being separated from her by
the Pacific for many months, and then after she got here there have been
times when I thought I would possibly have to go through what you've
gone through as well, i.e. that the pain would be too much for her.
Things are stable now in that regard, but even so the pain still wells
up frequently for her.

I don't know what I'm trying to say, except that I might possibly
comprehend in some small way the pain you are going through because I
have had to contemplate possibly being in a similar situation, and I
know it must seem bottomless at times. Also, I commend you for not
judging her.

I am truly sorry for what you are going through. You've been very
courageous in loving deeply, and have gotten hurt. I truly wish you
well in finding you way through this.

Joe
 
Old Dec 28th 2003, 5:37 pm
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Originally posted by Joe Kellett
In article <[email protected]>, member9271
@british_expats.com says...
    >
    > well like i said, i did everything i could. i honestly dont see any
    > sense in going through all of this again. i really thought she had her
    > life together and knew what she wanted. she told me that for 10 months
    > while waiting for the visa. something happend during that time. i dont
    > know what it is. i know my feelings did not change. why should i put
    > myself through it again and my family. my son keeps asking how are we
    > going to send her gifts to her. he dont fully understand what has
    > happend. as far as sending flowers and letters, i can only ask why? it
    > just keeps it stirred up and hurting even more. i had to let her go. and
    > i did. anyway you know that saying, if you love it, let it go. if it
    > loves you it will come back. well, it didnt come back. there are alot
    > more details to this whole thing, but nothing that would point and say
    > this is what did it. our relationship was fine. the time i spent with
    > her she was happy. when i had to go to work she was miserable. like i
    > said i did everything within reason that i could do. yes i went back to
    > the hotel cuz she was so hysterical and incoherent. i thought she would
    > hurt herself. i stayed the night there and left in the morning for work.
    > that was the last time i will ever see her again.
    >

I just showed your post to my wife, who has been away from her home in
Australia for 6 months now (we recently married after 5 months here on
her B-2 visitor's visa and I've just filed for AOS for her.) Even
though we are deeply in love, and this has never been in doubt, it has
still been extraordinarily difficult for her. She basically had to
largely give up the entire life she had in order to be with me, and
she's been through a lot of emotional pain and grieving as a result.
The joy of our love doesn't *erase* her pain of separation from home and
friends and family, it just makes it seem worth it to her which is a
much different thing.

In our situation also, things have been much more difficult for her when
I'm at work, and it will be that way until she builds a more complete
personal life here.

I have previously been through the pain of being separated from her by
the Pacific for many months, and then after she got here there have been
times when I thought I would possibly have to go through what you've
gone through as well, i.e. that the pain would be too much for her.
Things are stable now in that regard, but even so the pain still wells
up frequently for her.

I don't know what I'm trying to say, except that I might possibly
comprehend in some small way the pain you are going through because I
have had to contemplate possibly being in a similar situation, and I
know it must seem bottomless at times. Also, I commend you for not
judging her.

I am truly sorry for what you are going through. You've been very
courageous in loving deeply, and have gotten hurt. I truly wish you
well in finding you way through this.

Joe
I fully agree with what Joe has said. I feel so bad for you Brian but it is better to find these things out now rather than marry & realise it isnt going to work. I seriously doubt that one ever gets over the leaving of ones family. I have been here for 6 months now & I love my husband enough to know that where ever he is my place will always be beside him but nothing will ever take away the pain I live with everyday of not being with my family. As much as I want to be with my family I know I cant live without my husband again so we talk about it & he loves me & supports me & tries to keep me as close to them as he can & it helps.
Life is so short & you are right in making yourself a priority. Take good care of yourself & give yourself a little time to think things through. Who knows what will happen in the future? I am a firm believer in the old saying if its meant to be it will be....if not so be it.
Cheers
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Hi Brianheart
I have only read snippets of what everyone else has said and they are so valid but I would like to share how i feel? It is my opinion that no matter how much you try, it is up to the other person....the other adult...the person who needs to take responsibilty for their own emotions...not you!!!! Take a step back and let her work this out for herself...if she chooses to come back to you then I believe then you can become invincible as a couple...if not....then you are better off without her...NOone should have to try THAT hard........I have stopped trying...my fate is in someone else's hands....but i feel better than i have for a while...
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Hi,
I'm really sorry this happened to you. I've been living here for over a year now and it was very very hard for me when I came here as well. If she is from Austria (?), I am also from that area. I kind of envision all the things she misses, including family and friends. There are certain things that your love may never replace for her, but if you are a strong and determined person you overcome these things with time and support. Unfortunatelly, not all of us can. And sometimes it takes more than we thought...

After a year, I am still not here with my whole heart, there's a big piece of me left back home that I will probably have to miss for the rest of my life. And that is not an easy thing to do. It must be even harder if people around you second question your motives...
I just think it is great that you actually gave her the freedom to decide for herself and give her time. I really hope things work out for both of you, one way or another.

pS. Have you considered moving abroad?
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    > what is your point?

Who are you talking to?

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Old Jan 17th 2004, 6:30 pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by brianheart

Best wishes in your journey Brian. Time heals a broken heart. I always said, Home is where the heart is not the building or the land it sits upon.

Maybe this wasn't meant to be and there is someone out there you have yet to find.

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