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Originally posted by Matthew Udall
I have to call bullshit on this one! Petitioners are not interested in information, they want an approval of their case and they want it yesterday. Theirs is the most important case the government is processing, and to hell with slowing down everybody else's cases due to wasting the time of the agencies having to deal with multiple inquiries.
And what is it that you want in the way of information? You know they have your case, you know its not lost, you know they are doing an administrative review of the case (I believe I recall you saying that was the case and sorry if I'm remembering that incorrectly). They have sent out packets to your fiancée (I assume) with instructions, they send out appointment letter or letters, right? So what is it again that you want them to tell you so you can "relax"?
Who said the consulate is frustrated with an inability to process cases in a timely fashion? They do process cases in a timely fashion (as fast as they can). Sure, use them for information and assistance, but know that using them won't get your case put in front of someone else's that filed before you and know that you are slowing everybody's case down at that post. Every minute they spend replying to your rep is one less minute they have to actually work on cases.
If the USCIS or Consulate screws up, sure bring in the reps for help, but if its just to nag the USCIS or Consulate about them being too slow, than your nagging them just slowed them down even more.
I have to call bullshit on this one! Petitioners are not interested in information, they want an approval of their case and they want it yesterday. Theirs is the most important case the government is processing, and to hell with slowing down everybody else's cases due to wasting the time of the agencies having to deal with multiple inquiries.
And what is it that you want in the way of information? You know they have your case, you know its not lost, you know they are doing an administrative review of the case (I believe I recall you saying that was the case and sorry if I'm remembering that incorrectly). They have sent out packets to your fiancée (I assume) with instructions, they send out appointment letter or letters, right? So what is it again that you want them to tell you so you can "relax"?
Who said the consulate is frustrated with an inability to process cases in a timely fashion? They do process cases in a timely fashion (as fast as they can). Sure, use them for information and assistance, but know that using them won't get your case put in front of someone else's that filed before you and know that you are slowing everybody's case down at that post. Every minute they spend replying to your rep is one less minute they have to actually work on cases.
If the USCIS or Consulate screws up, sure bring in the reps for help, but if its just to nag the USCIS or Consulate about them being too slow, than your nagging them just slowed them down even more.
The frustration comes to a boling point when an RFE person is waiting another 90+ days while new apllications are being processed in anywhere from 75 to 90 days. Even though I am not saying to do this one might say to themselves why answer the RFE when I could just file a new application. At least you know that you should get a response in 60 to 90 days. Yes I again know that's not the solution because who says you won't get another RFE but common sense says that if intial processing has been done and I answer the RFE then I should receive a decision at least at the same time as the people who have filed new applications from the time I received my RFE.
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utopiacowboy wrote:
> OK, Matt. And what if you received a letter on January 22, 2004 from the
> NVC saying that they had sent the petition to the embassy in Bogota and
> to this day, your wife has heard nothing from the embassy. Nada! Of
> course they do not answer either their telephones or their email so what
> would you suggest? Waiting patiently?
I would check the timelines of other people that went through Bogota to
compare. I think a month is probably not long enough to go rushing to
your congressman. However, if you can't get a response for the visa
staff, you might try to contact the Consulate General in Bogota.
> OK, Matt. And what if you received a letter on January 22, 2004 from the
> NVC saying that they had sent the petition to the embassy in Bogota and
> to this day, your wife has heard nothing from the embassy. Nada! Of
> course they do not answer either their telephones or their email so what
> would you suggest? Waiting patiently?
I would check the timelines of other people that went through Bogota to
compare. I think a month is probably not long enough to go rushing to
your congressman. However, if you can't get a response for the visa
staff, you might try to contact the Consulate General in Bogota.
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Originally posted by Noorah101
Hi Matt,
I'm a petitioner, and I am interested in information. Of course I want approval, but if approval in my case means months of waiting after the interview, I'd be happier and more "relaxed" knowing what it is they are doing (besides the vague admin processing - whatever that means, or the general, "it's being processed").
Evidently that entails further investigation by the consulate. Fair enough. But I, for one, would like to know what it is that they are doing with my fiance's case as opposed to someone coming from the UK, for example. I guess I have a curious nature - I'm interested to know what they are looking at in my case which takes months to resolve, as opposed to someone else's case which takes 6 hours to resolve. I understand that it doesn't change the speediness of the process....but it helps me cope with the wait to be informed.
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Hi Matt,
I'm a petitioner, and I am interested in information. Of course I want approval, but if approval in my case means months of waiting after the interview, I'd be happier and more "relaxed" knowing what it is they are doing (besides the vague admin processing - whatever that means, or the general, "it's being processed").
Evidently that entails further investigation by the consulate. Fair enough. But I, for one, would like to know what it is that they are doing with my fiance's case as opposed to someone coming from the UK, for example. I guess I have a curious nature - I'm interested to know what they are looking at in my case which takes months to resolve, as opposed to someone else's case which takes 6 hours to resolve. I understand that it doesn't change the speediness of the process....but it helps me cope with the wait to be informed.
Rene
I'm not an expert on administrative review and I have no idea what it is that they might be looking into in any given case, however if they are doing an "investigation" I don't think it would make much sense to tip off the person being investigated about the subject matter of the investigation. Plus, their job is to approve an application of a foreigner who is asking for a benefit from the U.S. government, not to appease your sense of curiosity.
And if it takes months to do that work, that would be because that is how long it took to get someone to do that work. The Embassies run the Consulates, and they have certain priorities as far as carrying out their duties are concerned. I believe top priority is dealing with the protection of U.S. citizens and the property of U.S. citizens located in that country.
For example, the Embassy will send someone to the jail to check up on a U.S. citizen who might be in jail, visit and assist a U.S. citizen who might be in the hospital, help claim and ship back to the U.S. the body of a U.S. citizen who might have died in that country, etc. Then there is lower priority work of varying degrees. When they have any time left over, I believe they do the administrative review work for foreigners applying for a benefit from the U.S. government.
Plus there is the issue of rotating in new staff into the Embassy each year (I think they rotate them every year, but I could be wrong about that), and of course it will take the new staff time to get to speed at any given post. I think (and again I could be wrong) the rotations usually happen in one of the summer months (think it's July).
And please don't get mad at me for relaying this information (not saying you will get mad, and hoping you won't). I'm just a messenger and I don't set policy.
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> Originally posted by Khadija
> > However, if they would
> share more timely, relevant information in the first place, some of the
> anxiety would be alleviated and the petitioner would relax.
> >
> I have to call bullshit on this one! Petitioners are not interested in
> information, they want an approval of their case and they want it
And I'm going to call you on it! Many many studies have shown that people
get more stressed out by the unknown than the known - even if the known is
pretty bad. If they could predict reliable timescales, even if they are very
long, that would be better than not predicting them - or worse, predicting a
short timescale that can't be met.
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> Originally posted by Khadija
> > However, if they would
> share more timely, relevant information in the first place, some of the
> anxiety would be alleviated and the petitioner would relax.
> >
> I have to call bullshit on this one! Petitioners are not interested in
> information, they want an approval of their case and they want it
And I'm going to call you on it! Many many studies have shown that people
get more stressed out by the unknown than the known - even if the known is
pretty bad. If they could predict reliable timescales, even if they are very
long, that would be better than not predicting them - or worse, predicting a
short timescale that can't be met.
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Originally posted by utopiacowboy
OK, Matt. And what if you received a letter on January 22, 2004 from the NVC saying that they had sent the petition to the embassy in Bogota and to this day, your wife has heard nothing from the embassy. Nada! Of course they do not answer either their telephones or their email so what would you suggest? Waiting patiently?
OK, Matt. And what if you received a letter on January 22, 2004 from the NVC saying that they had sent the petition to the embassy in Bogota and to this day, your wife has heard nothing from the embassy. Nada! Of course they do not answer either their telephones or their email so what would you suggest? Waiting patiently?
There is nothing in your post to suggest the case is lost, or that you have waited an amount of time where alarm bells would start to go off. These things take time, and I would not put much stock in a template letter sent from the NVC any more that I'd put stock in a wild guess processing time estimate printed on a receipt notice.
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Originally posted by Khadija
Administrative processing is a whole new kettle of fish as they say and the Consulates are like one giant black hole.
Administrative processing is a whole new kettle of fish as they say and the Consulates are like one giant black hole.
"Now" they have put boilerplate language on the approval notices about the involvement of the NVC in the shipping of the case to the Consulate, so now everybody is fixated on the NVC (even though cases used to go through the NVC even before they put that language on the approval notices) but there is still no way to track where the case is exactly.
One might even call a consulate to ask, but the odds are that low level consular employee is not going to put you on hold and go rummage around the shipping dock or mailroom to see if he or she can spot your case.
Originally posted by Khadija
For example, today, my husband received a call asking for a copy of his passport.
For example, today, my husband received a call asking for a copy of his passport.
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Would it have compromised national security for them to state why!
Would it have compromised national security for them to state why!
Originally posted by Khadija
Or, in response to my emails, would it kill them to say, we've concluded x and have a, b and c to complete! Trust me, knowing the steps helps calm the anxiety.
Or, in response to my emails, would it kill them to say, we've concluded x and have a, b and c to complete! Trust me, knowing the steps helps calm the anxiety.
Originally posted by Khadija
I was so pleased with the one response I did receive to a specific question as to whether or not this was routine (answer yes) and not just related to our case. I felt, well, OK, it's routine, we'll just have to get through it rather than stewing that it's just us who are put on this "list".
I was so pleased with the one response I did receive to a specific question as to whether or not this was routine (answer yes) and not just related to our case. I felt, well, OK, it's routine, we'll just have to get through it rather than stewing that it's just us who are put on this "list".
Originally posted by Khadija
The point is, information is knowledge and knowledge is power whether it's the power to calm yourself or to know when you need the help of a Congressional Rep or an attorney for that matter.
The point is, information is knowledge and knowledge is power whether it's the power to calm yourself or to know when you need the help of a Congressional Rep or an attorney for that matter.
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Originally posted by tmushen
let's say someone forgot a form and gets an RFE after 75 days. They proceed to answer to answer the RFE with the simple form that was missing, missing a signature or a form that an officer just feels like being picky about. Once the RFE is answered I don't see why these cases have to wait 90 days again especially after the supposed initial processing was done.
let's say someone forgot a form and gets an RFE after 75 days. They proceed to answer to answer the RFE with the simple form that was missing, missing a signature or a form that an officer just feels like being picky about. Once the RFE is answered I don't see why these cases have to wait 90 days again especially after the supposed initial processing was done.
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If there is any bullshit involved it's to say that intital processing was done. I guess looking at the application after it has been sitting on the shelf for 75 days to finally see that a form is missing is considered initial processing.
If there is any bullshit involved it's to say that intital processing was done. I guess looking at the application after it has been sitting on the shelf for 75 days to finally see that a form is missing is considered initial processing.
After data entry, it is taken to a shelf in the file room. The fiancée cases are all put together on the same shelf or shelves. And there it waits it turn, making its way from the back of the shelf to the front of the shelf.
As officers finish up with the cases they have been working, they ask a contract worker to go get a bin or a few bins of new cases from the fiancée shelf. Usually around 25 cases fit into a bin (however I recall an officer showing me one case he was working on that was literally 2 feet thick) and the worker might bring more than one bin to the officer.
The officer then starts working those cases, and if he or she feels the need to send out an RFE (which by the way is just "more" work for the officer) than that order goes out to clerical and they send out the RFE (and this is actually detailed work, after all, the RFE letter has to reflect what it is that the officer wants).
Everything up to this point is what is referred to as initial processing, and yes, the case has to wait its turn in order to make it to an officer.
Originally posted by tmushen
The frustration comes to a boling point when an RFE person is waiting another 90+ days while new apllications are being processed in anywhere from 75 to 90 days.
The frustration comes to a boling point when an RFE person is waiting another 90+ days while new apllications are being processed in anywhere from 75 to 90 days.
Originally posted by tmushen
Even though I am not saying to do this one might say to themselves why answer the RFE when I could just file a new application.
Even though I am not saying to do this one might say to themselves why answer the RFE when I could just file a new application.
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Originally posted by Andy Platt
And I'm going to call you on it! Many many studies have shown that people
get more stressed out by the unknown than the known - even if the known is
pretty bad.
And I'm going to call you on it! Many many studies have shown that people
get more stressed out by the unknown than the known - even if the known is
pretty bad.
Originally posted by Andy Platt
If they could predict reliable timescales…
If they could predict reliable timescales…
And that is probably why they are now using the net to deliver the ability to check one's case status, and provide reports showing where they are at in processing cases. I think they should do away with all projected processing times listed on notices and stress this other way to see where the case is in the system.
And even now that they have vastly improved one's ability to check on the case and to see where they are in processing, that is "still" not good enough for some. Some prefer to put their heads in the sand and rely on the wild guess, then whip themselves (and everyone around them) into a frenzy when the wild guess is not met.
Originally posted by Andy Platt
even if they are very
long, that would be better than not predicting them - or worse, predicting a
short timescale that can't be met.
Andy.
even if they are very
long, that would be better than not predicting them - or worse, predicting a
short timescale that can't be met.
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Originally posted by Matthew Udall
Petitioner's know they will have to go through the immigration process to bring in a loved one and that this will take some time, and unfortunately, the very nature of this work is such that it will always be an unknown as far as when the case will be approved and a visa issued. Each case is different and each case requires an application of a body of complex law to a petitioner's and beneficiary's unique situation, and judgment calls to be made by officers applying the law to the couple's unique situation.
And if Monkeys flew out of your ass, you could likely replace Roy and you and Sigfreid could live happily ever after ;-). But seriously, someone at USCIS HQ tells the Service Center what to put as far as the wild guesses are concerned, but we all know how accurate that has been.
And that is probably why they are now using the net to deliver the ability to check one's case status, and provide reports showing where they are at in processing cases. I think they should do away with all projected processing times listed on notices and stress this other way to see where the case is in the system.
And even now that they have vastly improved one's ability to check on the case and to see where they are in processing, that is "still" not good enough for some. Some prefer to put their heads in the sand and rely on the wild guess, then whip themselves (and everyone around them) into a frenzy when the wild guess is not met.
I'll bet if they took off their wild guesses on the receipt notices, people would cry holly hell and demand to be given a wild guess anyway. The USCIS is never going to be able to please everybody no matter what system they put into place. It’s a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation. I just wish we Americans did not come off looking like such spoiled brats who have to have instant gratification in everything we do.
Petitioner's know they will have to go through the immigration process to bring in a loved one and that this will take some time, and unfortunately, the very nature of this work is such that it will always be an unknown as far as when the case will be approved and a visa issued. Each case is different and each case requires an application of a body of complex law to a petitioner's and beneficiary's unique situation, and judgment calls to be made by officers applying the law to the couple's unique situation.
And if Monkeys flew out of your ass, you could likely replace Roy and you and Sigfreid could live happily ever after ;-). But seriously, someone at USCIS HQ tells the Service Center what to put as far as the wild guesses are concerned, but we all know how accurate that has been.
And that is probably why they are now using the net to deliver the ability to check one's case status, and provide reports showing where they are at in processing cases. I think they should do away with all projected processing times listed on notices and stress this other way to see where the case is in the system.
And even now that they have vastly improved one's ability to check on the case and to see where they are in processing, that is "still" not good enough for some. Some prefer to put their heads in the sand and rely on the wild guess, then whip themselves (and everyone around them) into a frenzy when the wild guess is not met.
I'll bet if they took off their wild guesses on the receipt notices, people would cry holly hell and demand to be given a wild guess anyway. The USCIS is never going to be able to please everybody no matter what system they put into place. It’s a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation. I just wish we Americans did not come off looking like such spoiled brats who have to have instant gratification in everything we do.
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The uncertainity of length of time of separation from a loved one does induce stress. It really hurts when you can see and touch the person, but there is no communication -- and just educated uncertainty as to time and ultimate result.
The uncertainity of length of time of separation from a loved one does induce stress. It really hurts when you can see and touch the person, but there is no communication -- and just educated uncertainty as to time and ultimate result.
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And please don't get mad at me for relaying this information (not saying you will get mad, and hoping you won't). I'm just a messenger and I don't set policy.
And please don't get mad at me for relaying this information (not saying you will get mad, and hoping you won't). I'm just a messenger and I don't set policy.
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Well, it's coming up on 2 months from the USCIS approval. I thought waiting for that was bad but this is worse. In Bogota you can go as soon as you have the packet, your documents and the medical so it's frustrating to be so close and "stuck". I guess I have another month's worth of patience left.
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Yes, I suggest you wait patiently for a while longer. January 22nd is only one month ago, and I can tell you from experience with hundreds of fiancée cases that it sometimes takes 2 or 3 months for packet 3 to arrive once the case has been approved at a Service Center (and that is why I do what "I" do for my client's cases to try to get the consulate on board as quickly as possible and shake lose packet 3 from them "before" they ever receive the case file from the USCIS/NVC).
There is nothing in your post to suggest the case is lost, or that you have waited an amount of time where alarm bells would start to go off. These things take time, and I would not put much stock in a template letter sent from the NVC any more that I'd put stock in a wild guess processing time estimate printed on a receipt notice.
Yes, I suggest you wait patiently for a while longer. January 22nd is only one month ago, and I can tell you from experience with hundreds of fiancée cases that it sometimes takes 2 or 3 months for packet 3 to arrive once the case has been approved at a Service Center (and that is why I do what "I" do for my client's cases to try to get the consulate on board as quickly as possible and shake lose packet 3 from them "before" they ever receive the case file from the USCIS/NVC).
There is nothing in your post to suggest the case is lost, or that you have waited an amount of time where alarm bells would start to go off. These things take time, and I would not put much stock in a template letter sent from the NVC any more that I'd put stock in a wild guess processing time estimate printed on a receipt notice.
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Originally posted by utopiacowboy
Well, it's coming up on 2 months from the USCIS approval. I thought waiting for that was bad but this is worse. In Bogota you can go as soon as you have the packet, your documents and the medical so it's frustrating to be so close and "stuck". I guess I have another month's worth of patience left.
Well, it's coming up on 2 months from the USCIS approval. I thought waiting for that was bad but this is worse. In Bogota you can go as soon as you have the packet, your documents and the medical so it's frustrating to be so close and "stuck". I guess I have another month's worth of patience left.
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Matthew Udall wrote:
> Originally posted by Khadija
>> However, if they would share more timely, relevant information in the
>> first place, some of the
>> anxiety would be alleviated and the petitioner would relax.
> I have to call bullshit on this one!
I'll see your bullshit and raise you a bullshit!
> Petitioners are not interested in information, they want an approval
> of their case and they want it
> yesterday.
Petitioners are very much interested in information and with information
comes understanding and a lessening of tension producing more
relaxation, well about as much relaxation as you can get WRT the
immigration process. People just want to be treated fairly and to be
aware of what's going on. Nothing kills that more than not knowing
what's going on. People are not stupid and realize that there is a
process, when they are aware that there is a process, and given a
reasonable expectation of how long the process will take and can measure
progress. This is not unlike any other frustrating and worrisome process
that any human being goes through and studies show that information is
very beneficial to the person going through such a process. I find it
amazing that you, an intelligent person, do not already know this!
And yes, they'd rather have an approval than just another excuse and
more wait time but if you give them the information, as opposed to hide
it, it goes a long, long way toward making the process better for all
involved.
And yes, they want an approval yesterday many times because they've
already been told, incorrectly, that the process would be finished many
yesterdays before or that they have been waiting 1/2, 1, 2 years for
something that just should not be taking that long!
> Theirs is the most important case the government is processing, and to
> hell with slowing down everybody else's cases due to wasting the time
> of the agencies having to deal with multiple inquiries.
The agencies would not have to be dealing with multiple inquires if they
would be giving out information instead of hoarding it!
> Who said the consulate is frustrated with an inability to process
> cases in a timely fashion? They do process cases in a timely fashion
> (as fast as they can).
That depends largely on your definitions of "timely fashion" and "as
fast as they can". For example, if they were paramedics and were
processing "as fast as they can" but fail to get the patient to the
hospital in time and they die then I'd still call it "not in a timely
fashion". I *understand* they are working with what they have but I also
understand that the patient is still dead.
> Sure, use them for information and assistance, but know that using
> them won't get your case put in front of someone else's that filed
> before you
Often people are not looking to be placed in front of anybody else -
they just want information.
> and know that you are slowing everybody's case down at that post.
> Every minute they spend replying to your rep is one less minute they
> have to actually work on cases.
> If the USCIS or Consulate screws up, sure bring in the reps for help,
> but if its just to nag the USCIS or Consulate about them being too
> slow, than your nagging them just slowed them down even more.
Again, often people are just looking for information to understand what
the hold up is and when they can expect to see some progress (and it
would be nice to see progress being made or being alerted that progress
is being made).
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> Originally posted by Khadija
>> However, if they would share more timely, relevant information in the
>> first place, some of the
>> anxiety would be alleviated and the petitioner would relax.
> I have to call bullshit on this one!
I'll see your bullshit and raise you a bullshit!
> Petitioners are not interested in information, they want an approval
> of their case and they want it
> yesterday.
Petitioners are very much interested in information and with information
comes understanding and a lessening of tension producing more
relaxation, well about as much relaxation as you can get WRT the
immigration process. People just want to be treated fairly and to be
aware of what's going on. Nothing kills that more than not knowing
what's going on. People are not stupid and realize that there is a
process, when they are aware that there is a process, and given a
reasonable expectation of how long the process will take and can measure
progress. This is not unlike any other frustrating and worrisome process
that any human being goes through and studies show that information is
very beneficial to the person going through such a process. I find it
amazing that you, an intelligent person, do not already know this!
And yes, they'd rather have an approval than just another excuse and
more wait time but if you give them the information, as opposed to hide
it, it goes a long, long way toward making the process better for all
involved.
And yes, they want an approval yesterday many times because they've
already been told, incorrectly, that the process would be finished many
yesterdays before or that they have been waiting 1/2, 1, 2 years for
something that just should not be taking that long!
> Theirs is the most important case the government is processing, and to
> hell with slowing down everybody else's cases due to wasting the time
> of the agencies having to deal with multiple inquiries.
The agencies would not have to be dealing with multiple inquires if they
would be giving out information instead of hoarding it!
> Who said the consulate is frustrated with an inability to process
> cases in a timely fashion? They do process cases in a timely fashion
> (as fast as they can).
That depends largely on your definitions of "timely fashion" and "as
fast as they can". For example, if they were paramedics and were
processing "as fast as they can" but fail to get the patient to the
hospital in time and they die then I'd still call it "not in a timely
fashion". I *understand* they are working with what they have but I also
understand that the patient is still dead.
> Sure, use them for information and assistance, but know that using
> them won't get your case put in front of someone else's that filed
> before you
Often people are not looking to be placed in front of anybody else -
they just want information.
> and know that you are slowing everybody's case down at that post.
> Every minute they spend replying to your rep is one less minute they
> have to actually work on cases.
> If the USCIS or Consulate screws up, sure bring in the reps for help,
> but if its just to nag the USCIS or Consulate about them being too
> slow, than your nagging them just slowed them down even more.
Again, often people are just looking for information to understand what
the hold up is and when they can expect to see some progress (and it
would be nice to see progress being made or being alerted that progress
is being made).
--
(A)bort, (R)etry, (G)et a beer?