jaytee

This is an oath of allegiance to the United States for US citizenship. You are entering into a relationship between yourself and the US. You must be completely loyal to the US. This does not mean you cannot have other loyalties as long as they do not interfere with those of US citizenship. If you do something "potentially expatriating," you may lose citizenship regardless of whether you attained citizenship through birth or naturalization. Routine oaths of allegiance to other countries are not viewed as expatriating-- meaning that, as an American, you have the freedom to take up allegiances to other countries. Over 90 countries have the same policy.

Ken Pisichko

Yes, we can quote the past any time it suits us.

However, much of the past is gone for good and often has been incorporated into
something bigger, but not necessarily better.

The original 13 Colonies - gone!
The 48 State Mainland Nation called the United States of America - gone!
The original Constitution - gone!

All have been improved upon.

Teddy's quote is nice. However, that was made a century ago, and I'll bet there
and many Americans who cherish their national roots and culture - so much as to
celebrate it yearly in HUGE festive events. The recent St. Patrick's Day
celebrations across the world shows this to be factual. This is hardly a show
of assimilation, but rather is shows any nation is richer by bringing other
cultures in with immigration.

Teddy would shake his head about some of the current "normal" things going on
in this world and would possibly say something else.

Besides. the nation called israel did not exist during his life time.

Graphic Queen wrote:

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    > There can be no fifty-fifty American in this country.
    > There is room here for only 100% Americanism only for
    > those who are American and nothing else.
    > ~~Theodore Roosevelt
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Stephen Gallagher

    > >It's against the law for a US citizen to enter or leave the
    > >US without a valid US passport (except under certain conditions
    > >like travel to Canada or the Carribean, or for military purposes).
    > >http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1185.html See subsection b.
    >
    > This is not true of course. One does not need a passport to visit
    > Mexico or Canada for short amounts of time.

That's what I said. Note the part where I mentioned
"EXCEPT under certain conditions like travel to Canada,
or the Carribean,...)" Those are the "certain conditions".
Mexico is also an exception.

Stephen

Stephen Gallagher

Joachim Feise <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Englishmum said on 3/20/2004 13:36:
    >
    > > Originally posted by jeni
    > >
    > >>When one becomes naturalized
    > >
    > > I take it they lose their citizenship in
    > >
    > >>their native country
    > >
    > > according to what the oath of allegiance says at:
    > >
    > >>http://uscis.-
    > >
    > > gov/graphics/services/natz/oath.htm"]http://uscis.gov/graphics/services-
    > > /natz/oath.htm[/url]
    > >
    > >>--
    > >>Jennifer
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I've often wondered
    > > what happens when Americans choose to take up Israeli citizenship? I
    > > live in a very Jewish area and many Americans have acquired Israeli
    > > passports. (I wonder if indeed any of them have to take part in the
    > > Israeli military/perform National Service?)
    >
    > Nothing happens.
    > Actually, the main Supreme Court decision in the 60ies regarding dual
    > citizenship (Afroyim v. Rusk) had to do with a naturalized US citizen
    > who took up Israeli citizenship.
    > See http://www.richw.org/dualcit/cases.html#Afroyim

Actually Afroyim V. Rusk didn't deal directly
with the issue of a US citizen taking Israeli
citizenship. It dealt with the issue of a US
citizen (who was also an Israeli citizen) voting
in a non-US election. It wasn't an issue that he
had acquired Israeli citizenship (see 2 paragraphs
below).

At that time, voting in a foreign election, resulted
in loss of US citizenship. The Afroyim v. Rusk case,
resulted in a ruling that said US citizenship could
not be taken from a citizen unless his intention was
to give it up.

Prior to Afroyim v. Rusk, many US citizens
took Israeli citizenship under Israel's Law
of Return. This law would allow any Jew to
immigrate to Israel and upon arrival, it
automatically granted Israeli citizenship
on that person without him having to formally
request the citizenship. Because such a person
did not formally request the Israeli citizenship,
it did not cause loss of US citizenship. It has
been suggested that Israel's law was written to
grant citizenship in this manner so that US citizens
could acquire Israeli citizenship without losing
their US citizenship.

In any case, it's a non-issue these days. US
citizens can acquire any other citizenship and
they won't lose their US citizenship unless their
intention is to give it up.

Stephen Gallagher

Graphic Queen

On 21 Mar 2004 14:37:09 -0800, [email protected] (Stephen
Gallagher) wrote:

    >> >It's against the law for a US citizen to enter or leave the
    >> >US without a valid US passport (except under certain conditions
    >> >like travel to Canada or the Carribean, or for military purposes).
    >> >http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1185.html See subsection b.
    >>
    >> This is not true of course. One does not need a passport to visit
    >> Mexico or Canada for short amounts of time.
    >That's what I said. Note the part where I mentioned
    >"EXCEPT under certain conditions like travel to Canada,
    >or the Carribean,...)" Those are the "certain conditions".
    >Mexico is also an exception.
    >Stephen

You sure did. I apologize.

GQ





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