James Donovan

My point is that your child need not be born here. Too many offspring of
foreigners are being are being born here when their parents have no
permanent ties to the US. We call them "Anchor babies".

In any case, you are not going to convince INS that you "need" to stay just
to have your child here.


"None" wrote in message
news:wlvF9.147515$%[email protected]...
    > Whoa, cool down! I was getting an opinion for the legal options to stay
    > till the end of pregnancy, not till the child turns 21!!! (Mr. Farrel
    > suggested applying for a visitor visa with the doctor's certificate).
    > James Donovan wrote:
    > > Bear in mind that if you overstay, and later leave, you will be banned
    > > from
    > > the US and probably not be able to adjust status later on to permanent
    > > residence. You probably won't even be able to get a tourist visa to
come
    > > back here.
    > >
    > > If you stay illegally, your child will not be able to give you anything
in
    > > terms of immigration benefits until he/she turns 21. In the meantime,
you
    > > will not be able to work legally or do much else and you risk being
    > > deported
    > > if the INS catches you. You will basically have to hide in the US.
    > >
    > > If 21+ years of hardship seems like a valid choice for you, by all means
    > > have your baby in the US.
    > >
    > > "None" wrote in message
    > > news:6htF9.166972$nB.13536@sccrnsc03...
    > >
    > > >The pregnancy site advises recommends not travelling after 32 weeks.
    > > >Though am going to check with the doctor. The primary reason for having
    > > >the baby in US is cos I have been paying for maternity coverage out of
    > > >my pocket for over a year and all that would be waste if she doesn't
    > > >have the delivery here. No company will cover her pregnancy expenses in
    > > >India at this late stage. The other reason is of course the option for
    > > >citizenship.
    > > >
    > > >Kumar.
    > > >
    > > >James Donovan wrote:
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >>Trust me, your wife can return home with you. Or is it that you want
to
    > > >>have your baby in the US?
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >>"None" wrote in message
    > > >>news:VhXE9.130392$WL3.61616@rwcrnsc54...
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >>>Hi,
    > > >>>
    > > >>>I am on H1B. I will be terminated at the end of this month. My wife
is
    > > >>>pregnant due in two months. Hence we cannot return back immediately
    > > >>>since she cannot travel. What are the options I have? Can I apply for
a
    > > >>>temporary visa for us?
    > > >>>
    > > >>>
    > > >>>Thanks,
    > > >>>Kumar.
    > > >>>
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > >
    > >

James Donovan

But he did say that the citizenship was a reason.

"Ramesh" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mahesh,
    > The couple would have to pay much more price because they cannot keep the
    > child in India as child would be US citizen. They would have repeated
apply
    > for his/her visa.
    > People may not be that desperate to get US citizenship as it may appear at
    > first. I have a friend whose family lives in India and he is a PR of US as
    > he works in US. Infact he chose the opposite.
    > This person might be expressing his genuine concern of paying for the
    > delivery at both the places; first in US (insurance monthly premium) and
    > then delivery in India where what he has already paid would be of no
value.
    > Besides this he would have to spend money to settle down again in India.
    > Thanks
    > "Mahesh Chandak" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > The option for the citizenship is the one and only reason, shake your
head
    > > and ask yourself. Much More importance is given to that US citizenship
    > than
    > > living life respectfully. Why is it so heavy on indians mind to get
    > married
    > > and have kids ?
    > > Everyone is having babies without a reason without any meaningfull
future.
    > I
    > > simply can't understand and unfortunately I myself is Indian.
    > >
    > > "None" wrote in message
    > > news:6htF9.166972$nB.13536@sccrnsc03...
    > > > The pregnancy site advises recommends not travelling after 32 weeks.
    > > > Though am going to check with the doctor. The primary reason for
having
    > > > the baby in US is cos I have been paying for maternity coverage out of
    > > > my pocket for over a year and all that would be waste if she doesn't
    > > > have the delivery here. No company will cover her pregnancy expenses
in
    > > > India at this late stage. The other reason is of course the option for
    > > > citizenship.
    > > >
    > > > Kumar.
    > > >
    > > > James Donovan wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > Trust me, your wife can return home with you. Or is it that you
want
    > to
    > > > > have your baby in the US?
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "None" wrote in message
    > > > > news:VhXE9.130392$WL3.61616@rwcrnsc54...
    > > > >
    > > > > >Hi,
    > > > > >
    > > > > >I am on H1B. I will be terminated at the end of this month. My wife
    > is
    > > > > >pregnant due in two months. Hence we cannot return back immediately
    > > > > >since she cannot travel. What are the options I have? Can I apply
for
    > a
    > > > > >temporary visa for us?
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > >Thanks,
    > > > > >Kumar.
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >

None

Citizenship is not my only issue and is not very prominent. Regarding
James point regarding anchor babies, I think I would get immigration
faster if I asked by brother to file for me based on the family
preference rather than wait for my baby to turn 21.

Also, the child would be a Indian citizen, not US citizen since it would
be foolish to apply for renewal of child's visa every 6 months or so in
India. That is the reason I mentioned the "option" of US citizenship.
When the child is 21, and he/she (have not found out which it is) needs
to come to the US, and if the laws at that time permit it (I am aware of
the movement to ban citizenships for 'anchor babies, who knows it may be
a law by the time my child turns 21), the child could opt for US
citizenship. Who knows maybe if the econmic world situation is such at
that time, that the child may not even need/want to come to US!

As I mentioned before, I have paid nearly 5000$ out of my pocket for
maternity insurance and if the delivery is in India, the entire expense
is waste. Also, like I said before, I am not asking how I can stay here
illegally, I am asking if it is legally possible given the circumstances.

Mahesh, it pains me that Indians always think about Indians in lowly
terms. In the past, when the European people went and set up camp in far
of lands like North America and India for better opportunities, they
were called enterprising explorers by their people. When Indians do
that, it is called "illegal immigration". Also what is wrong in getting
married and having babies!!!

Kumar

Ramesh wrote:
    > Mahesh,
    >
    > The couple would have to pay much more price because they cannot keep the
    > child in India as child would be US citizen. They would have repeated apply
    > for his/her visa.
    >
    > People may not be that desperate to get US citizenship as it may appear at
    > first. I have a friend whose family lives in India and he is a PR of US as
    > he works in US. Infact he chose the opposite.
    >
    > This person might be expressing his genuine concern of paying for the
    > delivery at both the places; first in US (insurance monthly premium) and
    > then delivery in India where what he has already paid would be of no value.
    > Besides this he would have to spend money to settle down again in India.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > "Mahesh Chandak" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>The option for the citizenship is the one and only reason, shake your head
    >>and ask yourself. Much More importance is given to that US citizenship
    >
    > than
    >
    >>living life respectfully. Why is it so heavy on indians mind to get
    >
    > married
    >
    >>and have kids ?
    >>Everyone is having babies without a reason without any meaningfull future.
    >
    > I
    >
    >>simply can't understand and unfortunately I myself is Indian.
    >>"None" wrote in message
    >>news:6htF9.166972$nB.13536@sccrnsc03...
    >>>The pregnancy site advises recommends not travelling after 32 weeks.
    >>>Though am going to check with the doctor. The primary reason for having
    >>>the baby in US is cos I have been paying for maternity coverage out of
    >>>my pocket for over a year and all that would be waste if she doesn't
    >>>have the delivery here. No company will cover her pregnancy expenses in
    >>>India at this late stage. The other reason is of course the option for
    >>>citizenship.
    >>>Kumar.
    >>>James Donovan wrote:
    >>>>Trust me, your wife can return home with you. Or is it that you want
    >
    > to
    >
    >>>>have your baby in the US?
    >>>>"None" wrote in message
    >>>>news:VhXE9.130392$WL3.61616@rwcrnsc54...
    >>>>>Hi,
    >>>>>I am on H1B. I will be terminated at the end of this month. My wife
    >
    > is
    >
    >>>>>pregnant due in two months. Hence we cannot return back immediately
    >>>>>since she cannot travel. What are the options I have? Can I apply for
    >
    > a
    >
    >>>>>temporary visa for us?
    >>>>>Thanks,
    >>>>>Kumar.
    >
    >

James Donovan

There shouldn't be an "option" of citizenship for children whose parents who
have no permanent ties and immigration status in the US. The system in the
US should be where at least one of the parents has to have permanent
resident status or citizenship, or are pending receipt of the
abovementioned. Why? Quite simply because alot of people come to the US
simply to have their babies here and they automatically become US citizens.
Illegals cross the border just to have babies here, and often are difficult
to deport due to their US born offspring. In this time when we have real
border security concerns in the wake of 9-11, do we really need to have this
excess amount of people coming here and having incentive to stay here
illegally?

Case in point - Yaser Esam Hamdi, caught fighting for the Taliban while in
Afghanistan. It was later discovered that he was a natural born American
citizen, who can even go as far as running for president!! His parents have
no permanent ties to the US, and he was clearly found fighting for the enemy
against US Armed forces. He was born here while his parents were
temporarily in the US on a work assignment his father had here.

Another case in point - Mexican parents demonstrating in front of a school
(in Spanish, no less) that there be more bilingual aides and a Spanish
speaking school counselor. Of course, nothing is done to these illegal
alien parents, because their children are born here, and are American
citizens, thanks again to our 14th Amendment.

So you see, the 14th amendment is directly responsible for the US losing its
soveriegnity as a nation. Pretty soon we will be engulfed by a tide of
illegal aliens and their offspring, and there is nothing we can do about it.
I suggest now that you learn to speak Spanish and Chinese, because that's
the two main languages which are competing to unseat English as the
predominant language in the U.S.

Am I racist? No. Race has nothing to do with this. I couldn't care if the
tide of illegal immigrants were from some country like Canada or England
where they are white and speak English. They are still illegal invaders in
our country.

"None" wrote in message
news:WQ4G9.195066$1O2.12277@sccrnsc04...
    > Citizenship is not my only issue and is not very prominent. Regarding
    > James point regarding anchor babies, I think I would get immigration
    > faster if I asked by brother to file for me based on the family
    > preference rather than wait for my baby to turn 21.
    > Also, the child would be a Indian citizen, not US citizen since it would
    > be foolish to apply for renewal of child's visa every 6 months or so in
    > India. That is the reason I mentioned the "option" of US citizenship.
    > When the child is 21, and he/she (have not found out which it is) needs
    > to come to the US, and if the laws at that time permit it (I am aware of
    > the movement to ban citizenships for 'anchor babies, who knows it may be
    > a law by the time my child turns 21), the child could opt for US
    > citizenship. Who knows maybe if the econmic world situation is such at
    > that time, that the child may not even need/want to come to US!
    > As I mentioned before, I have paid nearly 5000$ out of my pocket for
    > maternity insurance and if the delivery is in India, the entire expense
    > is waste. Also, like I said before, I am not asking how I can stay here
    > illegally, I am asking if it is legally possible given the circumstances.
    > Mahesh, it pains me that Indians always think about Indians in lowly
    > terms. In the past, when the European people went and set up camp in far
    > of lands like North America and India for better opportunities, they
    > were called enterprising explorers by their people. When Indians do
    > that, it is called "illegal immigration". Also what is wrong in getting
    > married and having babies!!!
    > Kumar
    > Ramesh wrote:
    > > Mahesh,
    > >
    > > The couple would have to pay much more price because they cannot keep
the
    > > child in India as child would be US citizen. They would have repeated
apply
    > > for his/her visa.
    > >
    > > People may not be that desperate to get US citizenship as it may appear
at
    > > first. I have a friend whose family lives in India and he is a PR of US
as
    > > he works in US. Infact he chose the opposite.
    > >
    > > This person might be expressing his genuine concern of paying for the
    > > delivery at both the places; first in US (insurance monthly premium) and
    > > then delivery in India where what he has already paid would be of no
value.
    > > Besides this he would have to spend money to settle down again in India.
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > >
    > > "Mahesh Chandak" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > >>The option for the citizenship is the one and only reason, shake your
head
    > >>and ask yourself. Much More importance is given to that US citizenship
    > >
    > > than
    > >
    > >>living life respectfully. Why is it so heavy on indians mind to get
    > >
    > > married
    > >
    > >>and have kids ?
    > >>Everyone is having babies without a reason without any meaningfull
future.
    > >
    > > I
    > >
    > >>simply can't understand and unfortunately I myself is Indian.
    > >>
    > >>"None" wrote in message
    > >>news:6htF9.166972$nB.13536@sccrnsc03...
    > >>
    > >>>The pregnancy site advises recommends not travelling after 32 weeks.
    > >>>Though am going to check with the doctor. The primary reason for having
    > >>>the baby in US is cos I have been paying for maternity coverage out of
    > >>>my pocket for over a year and all that would be waste if she doesn't
    > >>>have the delivery here. No company will cover her pregnancy expenses in
    > >>>India at this late stage. The other reason is of course the option for
    > >>>citizenship.
    > >>>
    > >>>Kumar.
    > >>>
    > >>>James Donovan wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>>Trust me, your wife can return home with you. Or is it that you want
    > >
    > > to
    > >
    > >>>>have your baby in the US?
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>"None" wrote in message
    > >>>>news:VhXE9.130392$WL3.61616@rwcrnsc54...
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>Hi,
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>I am on H1B. I will be terminated at the end of this month. My wife
    > >
    > > is
    > >
    > >>>>>pregnant due in two months. Hence we cannot return back immediately
    > >>>>>since she cannot travel. What are the options I have? Can I apply for
    > >
    > > a
    > >
    > >>>>>temporary visa for us?
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>Thanks,
    > >>>>>Kumar.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>
    > >
    > >

J. J. Farrell

"None" wrote in message
news:WQ4G9.195066$1O2.12277@sccrnsc04...
    > Also, the child would be a Indian citizen, not US citizen since it would
    > be foolish to apply for renewal of child's visa every 6 months or so in
    > India.

If the child is born in the USA, it is a USA citizen whether you or it
like it or not.

doctor

I thought it was upto the parents to decide which passport to apply for?! If the parents decided to apply for a non US passport, the child can opt to apply for US citizenship after he turns 21.

None

I agree with you. There should not be any option and the laws should be
changed. But till they are, people will make use of the existing law and
there is nothing wrong with that.

Kumar.

James Donovan wrote:
    > There shouldn't be an "option" of citizenship for children whose parents who
    > have no permanent ties and immigration status in the US. The system in the
    > US should be where at least one of the parents has to have permanent
    > resident status or citizenship, or are pending receipt of the
    > abovementioned. Why? Quite simply because alot of people come to the US
    > simply to have their babies here and they automatically become US citizens.
    > Illegals cross the border just to have babies here, and often are difficult
    > to deport due to their US born offspring. In this time when we have real
    > border security concerns in the wake of 9-11, do we really need to have this
    > excess amount of people coming here and having incentive to stay here
    > illegally?
    >
    > Case in point - Yaser Esam Hamdi, caught fighting for the Taliban while in
    > Afghanistan. It was later discovered that he was a natural born American
    > citizen, who can even go as far as running for president!! His parents have
    > no permanent ties to the US, and he was clearly found fighting for the enemy
    > against US Armed forces. He was born here while his parents were
    > temporarily in the US on a work assignment his father had here.
    >
    > Another case in point - Mexican parents demonstrating in front of a school
    > (in Spanish, no less) that there be more bilingual aides and a Spanish
    > speaking school counselor. Of course, nothing is done to these illegal
    > alien parents, because their children are born here, and are American
    > citizens, thanks again to our 14th Amendment.
    >
    > So you see, the 14th amendment is directly responsible for the US losing its
    > soveriegnity as a nation. Pretty soon we will be engulfed by a tide of
    > illegal aliens and their offspring, and there is nothing we can do about it.
    > I suggest now that you learn to speak Spanish and Chinese, because that's
    > the two main languages which are competing to unseat English as the
    > predominant language in the U.S.
    >
    > Am I racist? No. Race has nothing to do with this. I couldn't care if the
    > tide of illegal immigrants were from some country like Canada or England
    > where they are white and speak English. They are still illegal invaders in
    > our country.
    >
    > "None" wrote in message
    > news:WQ4G9.195066$1O2.12277@sccrnsc04...
    >
    >>Citizenship is not my only issue and is not very prominent. Regarding
    >>James point regarding anchor babies, I think I would get immigration
    >>faster if I asked by brother to file for me based on the family
    >>preference rather than wait for my baby to turn 21.
    >>Also, the child would be a Indian citizen, not US citizen since it would
    >>be foolish to apply for renewal of child's visa every 6 months or so in
    >>India. That is the reason I mentioned the "option" of US citizenship.
    >>When the child is 21, and he/she (have not found out which it is) needs
    >>to come to the US, and if the laws at that time permit it (I am aware of
    >>the movement to ban citizenships for 'anchor babies, who knows it may be
    >>a law by the time my child turns 21), the child could opt for US
    >>citizenship. Who knows maybe if the econmic world situation is such at
    >>that time, that the child may not even need/want to come to US!
    >>As I mentioned before, I have paid nearly 5000$ out of my pocket for
    >>maternity insurance and if the delivery is in India, the entire expense
    >>is waste. Also, like I said before, I am not asking how I can stay here
    >>illegally, I am asking if it is legally possible given the circumstances.
    >>Mahesh, it pains me that Indians always think about Indians in lowly
    >>terms. In the past, when the European people went and set up camp in far
    >>of lands like North America and India for better opportunities, they
    >>were called enterprising explorers by their people. When Indians do
    >>that, it is called "illegal immigration". Also what is wrong in getting
    >>married and having babies!!!
    >>Kumar
    >>Ramesh wrote:
    >>>Mahesh,
    >>>The couple would have to pay much more price because they cannot keep
    >
    > the
    >
    >>>child in India as child would be US citizen. They would have repeated
    >
    > apply
    >
    >>>for his/her visa.
    >>>People may not be that desperate to get US citizenship as it may appear
    >
    > at
    >
    >>>first. I have a friend whose family lives in India and he is a PR of US
    >
    > as
    >
    >>>he works in US. Infact he chose the opposite.
    >>>This person might be expressing his genuine concern of paying for the
    >>>delivery at both the places; first in US (insurance monthly premium) and
    >>>then delivery in India where what he has already paid would be of no
    >
    > value.
    >
    >>>Besides this he would have to spend money to settle down again in India.
    >>>Thanks
    >>>"Mahesh Chandak" wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]...
    >>>>The option for the citizenship is the one and only reason, shake your
    >
    > head
    >
    >>>>and ask yourself. Much More importance is given to that US citizenship
    >>>than
    >>>>living life respectfully. Why is it so heavy on indians mind to get
    >>>married
    >>>>and have kids ?
    >>>>Everyone is having babies without a reason without any meaningfull
    >
    > future.
    >
    >>>I
    >>>>simply can't understand and unfortunately I myself is Indian.
    >>>>"None" wrote in message
    >>>>news:6htF9.166972$nB.13536@sccrnsc03...
    >>>>>The pregnancy site advises recommends not travelling after 32 weeks.
    >>>>>Though am going to check with the doctor. The primary reason for having
    >>>>>the baby in US is cos I have been paying for maternity coverage out of
    >>>>>my pocket for over a year and all that would be waste if she doesn't
    >>>>>have the delivery here. No company will cover her pregnancy expenses in
    >>>>>India at this late stage. The other reason is of course the option for
    >>>>>citizenship.
    >>>>>Kumar.
    >>>>>James Donovan wrote:
    >>>>>>Trust me, your wife can return home with you. Or is it that you want
    >>>to
    >>>>>>have your baby in the US?
    >>>>>>"None" wrote in message
    >>>>>>news:VhXE9.130392$WL3.61616@rwcrnsc54...
    >>>>>>>Hi,
    >>>>>>>I am on H1B. I will be terminated at the end of this month. My wife
    >>>is
    >>>>>>>pregnant due in two months. Hence we cannot return back immediately
    >>>>>>>since she cannot travel. What are the options I have? Can I apply for
    >>>a
    >>>>>>>temporary visa for us?
    >>>>>>>Thanks,
    >>>>>>>Kumar.
    >
    >

Sylvia Ottemoeller

"None" wrote in message
news:VhXE9.130392$WL3.61616@rwcrnsc54...

    > I am on H1B. I will be terminated at the end of this month. My wife is
    > pregnant due in two months. Hence we cannot return back immediately
    > since she cannot travel. What are the options I have? Can I apply for a
    > temporary visa for us?

Frankly, I don't see any big problem with your filing Form I-539 asking for
a change to B-2 status for both you and your wife. Many people have done
that successfully even without showing some medical reason. Since H-1B has
no grace period (compared to 60 days for F-1 and 30 days for J-1), it is
reasonable to ask for a little extra time to wrap up your affairs, and even
to do a little sightseeing. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask for
time to give birth in a location where you have made financial arrangements,
your wife has a relationship with an obstetrician, and so forth.

Because childbirth is involved, you might consider running this past a good
immigration attorney, just to use the right wording and strike the proper
tone in your request.

J Roussel

pregnancy= 9 months= 36 weeks not 40 weeks

32weeks=8 months
So your wife can still travel for a whole month, since she's 7 months pregnant.

viking

John Walker lynn, Timothy Mcveigh, Jeffery Dahmer(sp?) were not immigrant children. They were born here and to American parents.
So I think that it is really shallow to make an arguement like the one made by Mr. Donovan. (Yaser Esam Hamdi, caught fighting for the Taliban while in Afghanistan.)
America is the land of opportunity. Most immigrants come here and work hard for everything that they have. They do not wait for handouts. They pay taxes. If you do not like the law, then work to change it and stop complaining about immigrants coming to have babies in America.

Like it has been suggested, Mr. Kumar should apply to change his visa to a visitor visa. That way he will not be illegal.

And to those who do not know. (obviously never had babies)
pregnancy is 40 weeks and not 36. Read a little .

Sylvia Ottemoeller

You forget, J Roussel, that a month is always 2 or 3 days more than 4 weeks.

"J Roussel" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

    > pregnancy= 9 months= 36 weeks not 40 weeks
    > 32weeks=8 months
    > So your wife can still travel for a whole month, since she's 7
    > months pregnant.

doctor

Wow! this is new information, though couldn't believe it. Asked a colleague who recently had a baby and he confirmed it. He mentioned something about a difference between the way insurance calculates the weeks and how the financially challenged guys calculate it and how everyone finally adopted the insurance calculations.

olc-caNOSPAM

On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:42:40 +0000, doctor
wrote:

    >Originally posted by viking
    >> And to those who do not know. (obviously never had babies)
    >> pregnancy is 40 weeks and not 36. Read a little .
    >Wow! this is new information, though couldn't believe it. Asked a
    >colleague who recently had a baby and he confirmed it. He mentioned
    >something about a difference between the way insurance calculates the
    >weeks and how the financially challenged guys calculate it and how
    >everyone finally adopted the insurance calculations.


The mean gestation period in humans is 266 days so both numbers are
wrong.