k3 denial ......please do reply
Jun 5th 2003, 3:54 am
#16
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Hello Venki,
Words are inadequate for how bad I feel for you and your wife. Your predicament is way over the heads of people in this newsgroup. We don't really know the course of a file that has been sent back for reconsideration. From what you are saying this is NOT administrative review, but a return of your file.
Does your wife post here also? From this point on she will be the one with work to do. Find an attorney, contact her Congressional liason, and Senator, contact the State Department.
She can find the name of her representatives at:
http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html
She can read about their stance on immigration at:
http://profiles.numbersusa.com
When we went thru this was the person to contact at the State Department:
Mr Theodore Andrews. He is/was at the "India desk" with
the DOS Bureau of South Asian Affairs under Christina Rocca.
www.state.gov/p/sa/ Mr.Andrews phone number is (one or both of these)
202-647-2140 202-647-1112
His email is [email protected]
It has been some time since my husband and i went thru Mumbai, so people may not remember our story. But it was an ordeal also. He was 221 (g)d twice and threatened with review.
They tried to trip my then fiance up with questions, "who cooked? names of people in pictures, dates they were shot, etc., etc." During the months he was waiting for the interview he prepared, prepared, prepared. We took each piece of evidence we submitted and questioned each other on it. We did "exercises". We would chose a topic , even far ranging ones. Each of us did an essay on the topic without the help of the other and then we submitted the essay to each other. i know it sounds "rehearsed", but it spared him forgetting or stumbling over details that happened over a year ago, and may not be fresh in his mind. i suggest that those preparing for their interviews do this. It may turn out to be a royal waste of time, then again it could spare you.
Two more questions Venki,
How is your passport marked?
Were you able to obtain the registration papers for the Hindu marriage? How did you do this? This concerned me from the start, because it is my understanding that both parties need to be present to get it.
i wish you strength,
Best wishes,
Words are inadequate for how bad I feel for you and your wife. Your predicament is way over the heads of people in this newsgroup. We don't really know the course of a file that has been sent back for reconsideration. From what you are saying this is NOT administrative review, but a return of your file.
Does your wife post here also? From this point on she will be the one with work to do. Find an attorney, contact her Congressional liason, and Senator, contact the State Department.
She can find the name of her representatives at:
http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html
She can read about their stance on immigration at:
http://profiles.numbersusa.com
When we went thru this was the person to contact at the State Department:
Mr Theodore Andrews. He is/was at the "India desk" with
the DOS Bureau of South Asian Affairs under Christina Rocca.
www.state.gov/p/sa/ Mr.Andrews phone number is (one or both of these)
202-647-2140 202-647-1112
His email is [email protected]
It has been some time since my husband and i went thru Mumbai, so people may not remember our story. But it was an ordeal also. He was 221 (g)d twice and threatened with review.
They tried to trip my then fiance up with questions, "who cooked? names of people in pictures, dates they were shot, etc., etc." During the months he was waiting for the interview he prepared, prepared, prepared. We took each piece of evidence we submitted and questioned each other on it. We did "exercises". We would chose a topic , even far ranging ones. Each of us did an essay on the topic without the help of the other and then we submitted the essay to each other. i know it sounds "rehearsed", but it spared him forgetting or stumbling over details that happened over a year ago, and may not be fresh in his mind. i suggest that those preparing for their interviews do this. It may turn out to be a royal waste of time, then again it could spare you.
Two more questions Venki,
How is your passport marked?
Were you able to obtain the registration papers for the Hindu marriage? How did you do this? This concerned me from the start, because it is my understanding that both parties need to be present to get it.
i wish you strength,
Best wishes,
Jun 5th 2003, 6:46 am
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Frist of all, let me say that I'm sorry for what you are going through. And I agree that you are going through this due to discriminiatoin. Descrimination that is not race based but rather based on assumption due to where you live. Since there is a degree of fraud in that embassy (for that matter, there can be fraud anywhere in the world) they assume that everyone is out to get them and so they treat everyone harshly.
And none of that really matters. What matters is the pain that your wife and you are enduring and I wish that people didn't have to go through what you are going through. Its just wrong.
My fiance is going into her interview not too long from today. And we are very much in love and are engaged to be married. Yet, I keep preping her for the interview and I actually feel bad when I do that. Coz, instinctively it makes me feel as if I'm trying to get ready to pull a fast one. But the truth is that all I want to do is be with my love and spare her a hard time or this process.
I hope the embassy folks get back to you soon and resolve your petition. Again, you have my sympathy and high hopes for the future.
Wishing you and your wife all the best.
Rohit
And none of that really matters. What matters is the pain that your wife and you are enduring and I wish that people didn't have to go through what you are going through. Its just wrong.
My fiance is going into her interview not too long from today. And we are very much in love and are engaged to be married. Yet, I keep preping her for the interview and I actually feel bad when I do that. Coz, instinctively it makes me feel as if I'm trying to get ready to pull a fast one. But the truth is that all I want to do is be with my love and spare her a hard time or this process.
I hope the embassy folks get back to you soon and resolve your petition. Again, you have my sympathy and high hopes for the future.
Wishing you and your wife all the best.
Rohit
Jun 5th 2003, 7:26 am
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Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 15
Question to Salooni
Salooni, did you file K1 or K3, what county is your fiance at, what service did you have to file your petition? And question that probably does not have an answer-is there a list of countries or any other clue that go through administrative review? I thought that background check is done in National visa center, or at service center when they are processing all petitions.
Thanks
Thanks
Jun 5th 2003, 8:37 am
#19
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Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 443
since i mention husband in my posts, that means i am doing a k3. we were at islamabad , pakistan.
administrative review can be done at all embassies and countries, it depends on how ur case looks to the officer.
administrative review can be done at all embassies and countries, it depends on how ur case looks to the officer.
Jun 6th 2003, 12:25 am
#20
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Joined: Oct 2002
Location: mumbai
Posts: 92
Originally posted by tara
Hello Venki,
Words are inadequate for how bad I feel for you and your wife. Your predicament is way over the heads of people in this newsgroup. We don't really know the course of a file that has been sent back for reconsideration. From what you are saying this is NOT administrative review, but a return of your file.
Does your wife post here also? From this point on she will be the one with work to do. Find an attorney, contact her Congressional liason, and Senator, contact the State Department.
She can find the name of her representatives at:
http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html
She can read about their stance on immigration at:
http://profiles.numbersusa.com
When we went thru this was the person to contact at the State Department:
Mr Theodore Andrews. He is/was at the "India desk" with
the DOS Bureau of South Asian Affairs under Christina Rocca.
www.state.gov/p/sa/ Mr.Andrews phone number is (one or both of these)
202-647-2140 202-647-1112
His email is [email protected]
It has been some time since my husband and i went thru Mumbai, so people may not remember our story. But it was an ordeal also. He was 221 (g)d twice and threatened with review.
They tried to trip my then fiance up with questions, "who cooked? names of people in pictures, dates they were shot, etc., etc." During the months he was waiting for the interview he prepared, prepared, prepared. We took each piece of evidence we submitted and questioned each other on it. We did "exercises". We would chose a topic , even far ranging ones. Each of us did an essay on the topic without the help of the other and then we submitted the essay to each other. i know it sounds "rehearsed", but it spared him forgetting or stumbling over details that happened over a year ago, and may not be fresh in his mind. i suggest that those preparing for their interviews do this. It may turn out to be a royal waste of time, then again it could spare you.
Two more questions Venki,
How is your passport marked?
Were you able to obtain the registration papers for the Hindu marriage? How did you do this? This concerned me from the start, because it is my understanding that both parties need to be present to get it.
i wish you strength,
Best wishes,
Hello Venki,
Words are inadequate for how bad I feel for you and your wife. Your predicament is way over the heads of people in this newsgroup. We don't really know the course of a file that has been sent back for reconsideration. From what you are saying this is NOT administrative review, but a return of your file.
Does your wife post here also? From this point on she will be the one with work to do. Find an attorney, contact her Congressional liason, and Senator, contact the State Department.
She can find the name of her representatives at:
http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html
She can read about their stance on immigration at:
http://profiles.numbersusa.com
When we went thru this was the person to contact at the State Department:
Mr Theodore Andrews. He is/was at the "India desk" with
the DOS Bureau of South Asian Affairs under Christina Rocca.
www.state.gov/p/sa/ Mr.Andrews phone number is (one or both of these)
202-647-2140 202-647-1112
His email is [email protected]
It has been some time since my husband and i went thru Mumbai, so people may not remember our story. But it was an ordeal also. He was 221 (g)d twice and threatened with review.
They tried to trip my then fiance up with questions, "who cooked? names of people in pictures, dates they were shot, etc., etc." During the months he was waiting for the interview he prepared, prepared, prepared. We took each piece of evidence we submitted and questioned each other on it. We did "exercises". We would chose a topic , even far ranging ones. Each of us did an essay on the topic without the help of the other and then we submitted the essay to each other. i know it sounds "rehearsed", but it spared him forgetting or stumbling over details that happened over a year ago, and may not be fresh in his mind. i suggest that those preparing for their interviews do this. It may turn out to be a royal waste of time, then again it could spare you.
Two more questions Venki,
How is your passport marked?
Were you able to obtain the registration papers for the Hindu marriage? How did you do this? This concerned me from the start, because it is my understanding that both parties need to be present to get it.
i wish you strength,
Best wishes,
my passport is marked with k3 application received
and i got my passport and all the original 's
today by courier .....they have issued a 221(g) in which the file has been send back to ins for reconsideration .....
i did n't produce special marriage act 1954 registration ....i thought i will get a 221(g) if they did n't accept the pasture registration ....i thought they want to see the pasture marriage certificate which i haven't submitted early .....
if they want that certificate they could have asked for it once again but not like this ....we would take necessary step ...will ask my wife to come down to sign
i am ready to follow the procedures and not a law expert ...and they can guide us and help us ....infact my dad wrote to the embassy before we did the marriage ...but no reply
Jun 7th 2003, 10:18 pm
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Re: k3 denial ......please do reply
Correct, people from European countries act out or consider marriage fraud
for the purpose of obtaining a greencard as well. I know of somebody who had
a student internship in my company. After the 2 year home requirement, she
later came to marry a US citizen colleague of mine (on a visa waiver, by
the way).
It turned out he has done something that she viewed as betrayal and she had
second thoughts before marrying. She asked me whether I knew how to find
somebody who marries for money to get a greencard. I didn't know and it was
obviously not easy, so she ended up marrying him anyway. They are now
divorced, she has the greencard. Intended and practiced fraud, in my view.
"Khadija" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Originally posted by ScarlettHill
> > I don't think George was suggesting fraud on your part, he was trying
> > to show you where the consulate people were coming from and therefore
> > the reasons they are doing what they are doing.
> >
> > Personally I think it stinks. If they'd had long conversations with
> > you and your wife it probably would have all unravelled and explained
> > itself to them. Instead they fire 10 questions like some sick version
> > of that awful Mr and Mrs gameshow - and bear in mind in that show
> > many people can't answer simple things about someone they've lived
> > with for years.
> >
> > I think you're being discriminated against because you're from
> > where you're from. At my interview I was asked only one question of
> > this type - what was my fiance's birth date. And you know what? I
> > was so stressed it went out of my head entirely even though we'd
> > only recently celebrated it. After a while I remembered correctly
> > the day and month and the guy didn't seem bothered that it took me
> > so long - he was a reasonable human being and realised what a
> > stressful day it was.
> >
> > I'm so sorry you're going through this. I understand the arguments for
> > security. But I think it's time the discrimination that flourishes
> > rampantly in the name of that security stopped. I'd like to see
> > everyone going through the same process, regardless of where they're
> > from. Mumbai consulate is a disgrace from everything I've heard and
> > humiliates people unnecessarily just because it can.
> >
> > I'm so sorry.....
> >
> > Regards
> > -=-
> > Scarlett
> I agree with Scarlett. It's not personal although it's almost
> impossible to not to take it that way. In theory, their job is to week
> out those idividuals who wantingly and knowingly get engaged to or
> married to USCs for the sake of a green card.
> One only has to read the postings about fraud on this NG to know this
> occurs all too frequently. Or, at least frequently enough, to make
> consular officers suspicious. Also in the "sad but true" category if
> the fact the probably most of the fraud occurs with citizens from
> developing countries looking to escape the poverty and misery in their
> lives by marrying out it and going to the States.
> I, too, am fearful my husband will be grilled. He's from Egypt and has
> been unemployed since 9/11 when tourism to his country plummeted. He as
> a bachelor's degree in history - hardly a ticket to employment in a
> country with unemployment in double digits - plus he's only now
> seriously studying English. He comes from a good family, we've been
> married a year and a half, have our own flat, share a bank account, and
> I've been to Egypt almost a half dozen times. Still, I'm well-employed,
> 13 years older than him, don't speak fluent Arabic, we're from different
> cultures and, until I converted last year, different religions - all
> "red flags" for a consular officer who's already geared to think the
> worst. I fear, under pressure, my husband could easily forget my
> mother's name (her legal name is Mildred but her nickname is Pat), or
> the year of my father's death, what I do for a living (I work for a
> not-for-profit association managing their standards development
> activities and I have friends here who still can't get it), or some
> other picayune detail. Just as I, if they decided to call me in the
> middle of the night, might give an answer which wouldn't "match" his -
> like whether it is his mother or father who hails from a family of 9!
> Scarlett is absolutely right that this process should be blind. Just
> because the instances of fraud are probably greater from developing
> doesn't mean those from developed countries are immune! There is a
> built in bias that, just because one if from Europe one doesn't "need"
> to live in the States so it must be a marriage made in heaven! Crooks
> and bad people come from everywhere, not just poor countries. You, nor
> my husband shouldn't be subjected to anything better or worse than the
> next beneficiary simply because you are from India and he is from Egypt.
> Good luck and, in time, the Consulate will realize your marriage is
> real. Hopefully, your I-130 will be processed in the near future but
> with enough time between so you can gather more proof for these folks at
> the Consulate - "kill 'em with kindness" and evidence. You'll
> eventually prevail.
> Patty Khadijah
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
for the purpose of obtaining a greencard as well. I know of somebody who had
a student internship in my company. After the 2 year home requirement, she
later came to marry a US citizen colleague of mine (on a visa waiver, by
the way).
It turned out he has done something that she viewed as betrayal and she had
second thoughts before marrying. She asked me whether I knew how to find
somebody who marries for money to get a greencard. I didn't know and it was
obviously not easy, so she ended up marrying him anyway. They are now
divorced, she has the greencard. Intended and practiced fraud, in my view.
"Khadija" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Originally posted by ScarlettHill
> > I don't think George was suggesting fraud on your part, he was trying
> > to show you where the consulate people were coming from and therefore
> > the reasons they are doing what they are doing.
> >
> > Personally I think it stinks. If they'd had long conversations with
> > you and your wife it probably would have all unravelled and explained
> > itself to them. Instead they fire 10 questions like some sick version
> > of that awful Mr and Mrs gameshow - and bear in mind in that show
> > many people can't answer simple things about someone they've lived
> > with for years.
> >
> > I think you're being discriminated against because you're from
> > where you're from. At my interview I was asked only one question of
> > this type - what was my fiance's birth date. And you know what? I
> > was so stressed it went out of my head entirely even though we'd
> > only recently celebrated it. After a while I remembered correctly
> > the day and month and the guy didn't seem bothered that it took me
> > so long - he was a reasonable human being and realised what a
> > stressful day it was.
> >
> > I'm so sorry you're going through this. I understand the arguments for
> > security. But I think it's time the discrimination that flourishes
> > rampantly in the name of that security stopped. I'd like to see
> > everyone going through the same process, regardless of where they're
> > from. Mumbai consulate is a disgrace from everything I've heard and
> > humiliates people unnecessarily just because it can.
> >
> > I'm so sorry.....
> >
> > Regards
> > -=-
> > Scarlett
> I agree with Scarlett. It's not personal although it's almost
> impossible to not to take it that way. In theory, their job is to week
> out those idividuals who wantingly and knowingly get engaged to or
> married to USCs for the sake of a green card.
> One only has to read the postings about fraud on this NG to know this
> occurs all too frequently. Or, at least frequently enough, to make
> consular officers suspicious. Also in the "sad but true" category if
> the fact the probably most of the fraud occurs with citizens from
> developing countries looking to escape the poverty and misery in their
> lives by marrying out it and going to the States.
> I, too, am fearful my husband will be grilled. He's from Egypt and has
> been unemployed since 9/11 when tourism to his country plummeted. He as
> a bachelor's degree in history - hardly a ticket to employment in a
> country with unemployment in double digits - plus he's only now
> seriously studying English. He comes from a good family, we've been
> married a year and a half, have our own flat, share a bank account, and
> I've been to Egypt almost a half dozen times. Still, I'm well-employed,
> 13 years older than him, don't speak fluent Arabic, we're from different
> cultures and, until I converted last year, different religions - all
> "red flags" for a consular officer who's already geared to think the
> worst. I fear, under pressure, my husband could easily forget my
> mother's name (her legal name is Mildred but her nickname is Pat), or
> the year of my father's death, what I do for a living (I work for a
> not-for-profit association managing their standards development
> activities and I have friends here who still can't get it), or some
> other picayune detail. Just as I, if they decided to call me in the
> middle of the night, might give an answer which wouldn't "match" his -
> like whether it is his mother or father who hails from a family of 9!
> Scarlett is absolutely right that this process should be blind. Just
> because the instances of fraud are probably greater from developing
> doesn't mean those from developed countries are immune! There is a
> built in bias that, just because one if from Europe one doesn't "need"
> to live in the States so it must be a marriage made in heaven! Crooks
> and bad people come from everywhere, not just poor countries. You, nor
> my husband shouldn't be subjected to anything better or worse than the
> next beneficiary simply because you are from India and he is from Egypt.
> Good luck and, in time, the Consulate will realize your marriage is
> real. Hopefully, your I-130 will be processed in the near future but
> with enough time between so you can gather more proof for these folks at
> the Consulate - "kill 'em with kindness" and evidence. You'll
> eventually prevail.
> Patty Khadijah
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Jun 8th 2003, 5:01 am
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Thread Starter
Joined: Oct 2002
Location: mumbai
Posts: 92
hi Christa
I can understand what u r saying .....but we are not like that .....even now i say to my wife that life doesn't come to an end if US visa is denied for me .....only thing is all along i have lead a bachelor life .....so just need time so that i can make the setup to receive my wife and her kids .......in the act of suspicious we got affected ....thats the sad part of it ....we where waiting for abt an year for this k3 interview to be done ....now we need to plan how we can go abt to have a life in india .....i prefered to go to US as i see people from india go to US for studies .....which i am reverting for her kids ....that irks as i feel i am doing injustice to them .......the infrastructure there is not the same as here ...but now i guess i have no choice ....we have a lot of diffrence .....like in US car is a common thing ....where as in india its luxaury ......so intially adoption would be a problem
but ok as we have less choice now
I can understand what u r saying .....but we are not like that .....even now i say to my wife that life doesn't come to an end if US visa is denied for me .....only thing is all along i have lead a bachelor life .....so just need time so that i can make the setup to receive my wife and her kids .......in the act of suspicious we got affected ....thats the sad part of it ....we where waiting for abt an year for this k3 interview to be done ....now we need to plan how we can go abt to have a life in india .....i prefered to go to US as i see people from india go to US for studies .....which i am reverting for her kids ....that irks as i feel i am doing injustice to them .......the infrastructure there is not the same as here ...but now i guess i have no choice ....we have a lot of diffrence .....like in US car is a common thing ....where as in india its luxaury ......so intially adoption would be a problem
but ok as we have less choice now
Jun 8th 2003, 5:47 am
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Re: k3 denial ......please do reply
Venki,
Wishing you and your wife the best wherever you live. I worked with a
programmer from India for a year. He got married and his wife came on an H4
visa to the US. Even though they both have greencards now, their plan is to
go back to India some day.
Best of luck.
Christa
"venkimani" wrote in message
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> hi Christa
> I can understand what u r saying .....but we are not like that
> .....even now i say to my wife that life doesn't come to an end if US
> visa is denied for me .....only thing is all along i have lead a
> bachelor life .....so just need time so that i can make the setup to
> receive my wife and her kids .......in the act of suspicious we got
> affected ....thats the sad part of it ....we where waiting for abt an
> year for this k3 interview to be done ....now we need to plan how we
> can go abt to have a life in india .....i prefered to go to US as i
> see people from india go to US for studies .....which i am reverting
> for her kids ....that irks as i feel i am doing injustice to them
> .......the infrastructure there is not the same as here ...but now i
> guess i have no choice ....we have a lot of diffrence .....like in
> US car is a common thing ....where as in india its luxaury ......so
> intially adoption would be a problem
> but ok as we have less choice now
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Wishing you and your wife the best wherever you live. I worked with a
programmer from India for a year. He got married and his wife came on an H4
visa to the US. Even though they both have greencards now, their plan is to
go back to India some day.
Best of luck.
Christa
"venkimani" wrote in message
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> hi Christa
> I can understand what u r saying .....but we are not like that
> .....even now i say to my wife that life doesn't come to an end if US
> visa is denied for me .....only thing is all along i have lead a
> bachelor life .....so just need time so that i can make the setup to
> receive my wife and her kids .......in the act of suspicious we got
> affected ....thats the sad part of it ....we where waiting for abt an
> year for this k3 interview to be done ....now we need to plan how we
> can go abt to have a life in india .....i prefered to go to US as i
> see people from india go to US for studies .....which i am reverting
> for her kids ....that irks as i feel i am doing injustice to them
> .......the infrastructure there is not the same as here ...but now i
> guess i have no choice ....we have a lot of diffrence .....like in
> US car is a common thing ....where as in india its luxaury ......so
> intially adoption would be a problem
> but ok as we have less choice now
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
