I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
Aug 30th 2002, 1:58 pm
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I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
Below is a copy of my email to O'Reilly factor!
-----------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From:"George F." <[email protected]>
Subject: Russian fiancees and wives are terrorist suspects To
[email protected]
Dear O'Reilly,
I and hundreds of US citizens whose fiancees and wives passed
their interviews in Moscow embassy are put in a limbo. They
stopped issuing visas since 7/22/02.
The rest of the world DO continue to issue K1 and K3 visas
(fiancee and wife visas of US citizens), except Russia, China,
Egypt, and Cuba. For the case of Egypt, we may understand what
it is, but ... give me a break... russian fiancees are
suspected to be terrorists? By the way, people from Saudi
Arabia are getting their visas to come here without any
problems. Isn't this fun?
Many ladies with their children have travelled hundreds and
thousands of miles, they got to Moscow, and were told after the
interview, that they've passed the interview but there is an
additional administrative process they have to do. Many of
them bought their tickets and had to postpone their flights
many times, and it costs at least $200 to do so. Many of them
sleep on the streets. It's a total chaos in and around the US
consulate in Moscow. We are talking about 2.5 to 3 thousand
people affected of this "wise" decision by our governemnt.
The decision came from the Dep. of State to halt all the
issuance of visas to K1/K3 people since July 22, 2002. Why?
Nobody seam to care? But the worst thing is that the fiancees
are not told when this will end, but rather, they're told to
call back in couple of days, in a week, in two weeks, and this
goes on and on.
C'mon, who the hell has profiled these beautiful, family
oriented women, and many with their children, that are coming
here to harm us? Why? Mr. O'Reilly, have you seen any
Russian female terrorists around? The US constitution says
should guarantee life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. If
we do not get our loved ones here, then why do we need those
pompous words?
Regards, George, a totally pissed off US citizen
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From:"George F." <[email protected]>
Subject: Russian fiancees and wives are terrorist suspects To
[email protected]Dear O'Reilly,
I and hundreds of US citizens whose fiancees and wives passed
their interviews in Moscow embassy are put in a limbo. They
stopped issuing visas since 7/22/02.
The rest of the world DO continue to issue K1 and K3 visas
(fiancee and wife visas of US citizens), except Russia, China,
Egypt, and Cuba. For the case of Egypt, we may understand what
it is, but ... give me a break... russian fiancees are
suspected to be terrorists? By the way, people from Saudi
Arabia are getting their visas to come here without any
problems. Isn't this fun?
Many ladies with their children have travelled hundreds and
thousands of miles, they got to Moscow, and were told after the
interview, that they've passed the interview but there is an
additional administrative process they have to do. Many of
them bought their tickets and had to postpone their flights
many times, and it costs at least $200 to do so. Many of them
sleep on the streets. It's a total chaos in and around the US
consulate in Moscow. We are talking about 2.5 to 3 thousand
people affected of this "wise" decision by our governemnt.
The decision came from the Dep. of State to halt all the
issuance of visas to K1/K3 people since July 22, 2002. Why?
Nobody seam to care? But the worst thing is that the fiancees
are not told when this will end, but rather, they're told to
call back in couple of days, in a week, in two weeks, and this
goes on and on.
C'mon, who the hell has profiled these beautiful, family
oriented women, and many with their children, that are coming
here to harm us? Why? Mr. O'Reilly, have you seen any
Russian female terrorists around? The US constitution says
should guarantee life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. If
we do not get our loved ones here, then why do we need those
pompous words?
Regards, George, a totally pissed off US citizen
Aug 30th 2002, 2:26 pm
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Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
Hmmmmm...... I'd love to here him say this but I don't know if it is "piffy" enough
for him:O)
for him:O)
Aug 31st 2002, 1:17 am
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Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
While I do sympathasize, somethings trouble me.
Why are many of them "sleeping on the streets"? Why didn't they go home? With the
cost of rent in most of Russia, there is no reason for this "sleeping on the streets"
There should have never been any expectation of getting the visa the same day.
Why are many of them "sleeping on the streets"? Why didn't they go home? With the
cost of rent in most of Russia, there is no reason for this "sleeping on the streets"
There should have never been any expectation of getting the visa the same day.
Aug 31st 2002, 3:05 am
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Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
Your letter is flippant and a little rude. I doubt you'll get much of a response.
Although, maybe Bill O'Reilly is like Howard Stern and he thrives on such rudeness?
This is definitely not a letter I would send off to anyone.
Besides, everyone KNOWs that they are not issuing visas. The onus is on the
applicant to know this and not apply right now. Sleeping in the streets is their
choice, not something mandated by the consulate. Again, we already know that they
are not issuing visas. Every ONE person thinks that their case will be the one to be
approved. That is not the case, they are approving no one according to you. So, it
would be pretty stupid to try for a visa right now. Pick another girl from another
catalog... This time pick a "good" country from which visas ARE being issued.
--
Jonathan_ATC "George F." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
oogle.com...
> Below is a copy of my email to O'Reilly factor!
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From:"George F."
> <[email protected]> Subject: Russian fiancees and wives are terrorist suspects
> To[email protected]
> Dear O'Reilly,
> I and hundreds of US citizens whose fiancees and
wives
> passed their interviews in Moscow embassy are put in
a
> limbo. They stopped issuing visas since 7/22/02.
> The rest of the world DO continue to issue K1 and K3 visas
> (fiancee and wife visas of US citizens),
except
> Russia, China, Egypt, and Cuba. For the case of Egypt, we
> may understand what it is, but ... give me
a
> break... russian fiancees are suspected to be terrorists? By
> the way, people from Saudi Arabia
are
> getting their visas to come here without any
problems.
> Isn't this fun?
> Many ladies with their children have travelled hundreds and
> thousands of miles, they got to Moscow, and were told after
> the interview, that they've
passed
> the interview but there is an additional administrative
> process they have to do. Many of
them
> bought their tickets and had to postpone their
flights
> many times, and it costs at least $200 to do so.
Many
> of them sleep on the streets. It's a total chaos in and
> around the US consulate in Moscow. We are
talking
> about 2.5 to 3 thousand people affected of this
"wise"
> decision by our governemnt.
> The decision came from the Dep. of State to halt all the
> issuance of visas to K1/K3 people since July 22, 2002. Why?
> Nobody seam to care? But the worst
thing
> is that the fiancees are not told when this will
end,
> but rather, they're told to call back in couple of days, in a
> week, in two weeks, and this goes on and on.
> C'mon, who the hell has profiled these beautiful, family
> oriented women, and many with their children, that are coming
> here to harm us? Why? Mr.
O'Reilly,
> have you seen any Russian female terrorists around? The US
> constitution says should guarantee life, liberty, and pursuit
> of happiness. If we do not get our loved ones here, then why
> do we need those
pompous
> words?
> Regards, George, a totally pissed off US citizen
Although, maybe Bill O'Reilly is like Howard Stern and he thrives on such rudeness?
This is definitely not a letter I would send off to anyone.
Besides, everyone KNOWs that they are not issuing visas. The onus is on the
applicant to know this and not apply right now. Sleeping in the streets is their
choice, not something mandated by the consulate. Again, we already know that they
are not issuing visas. Every ONE person thinks that their case will be the one to be
approved. That is not the case, they are approving no one according to you. So, it
would be pretty stupid to try for a visa right now. Pick another girl from another
catalog... This time pick a "good" country from which visas ARE being issued.
--
Jonathan_ATC "George F." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
oogle.com...
> Below is a copy of my email to O'Reilly factor!
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From:"George F."
> <[email protected]> Subject: Russian fiancees and wives are terrorist suspects
> To
[email protected]> Dear O'Reilly,
> I and hundreds of US citizens whose fiancees and
wives
> passed their interviews in Moscow embassy are put in
a
> limbo. They stopped issuing visas since 7/22/02.
> The rest of the world DO continue to issue K1 and K3 visas
> (fiancee and wife visas of US citizens),
except
> Russia, China, Egypt, and Cuba. For the case of Egypt, we
> may understand what it is, but ... give me
a
> break... russian fiancees are suspected to be terrorists? By
> the way, people from Saudi Arabia
are
> getting their visas to come here without any
problems.
> Isn't this fun?
> Many ladies with their children have travelled hundreds and
> thousands of miles, they got to Moscow, and were told after
> the interview, that they've
passed
> the interview but there is an additional administrative
> process they have to do. Many of
them
> bought their tickets and had to postpone their
flights
> many times, and it costs at least $200 to do so.
Many
> of them sleep on the streets. It's a total chaos in and
> around the US consulate in Moscow. We are
talking
> about 2.5 to 3 thousand people affected of this
"wise"
> decision by our governemnt.
> The decision came from the Dep. of State to halt all the
> issuance of visas to K1/K3 people since July 22, 2002. Why?
> Nobody seam to care? But the worst
thing
> is that the fiancees are not told when this will
end,
> but rather, they're told to call back in couple of days, in a
> week, in two weeks, and this goes on and on.
> C'mon, who the hell has profiled these beautiful, family
> oriented women, and many with their children, that are coming
> here to harm us? Why? Mr.
O'Reilly,
> have you seen any Russian female terrorists around? The US
> constitution says should guarantee life, liberty, and pursuit
> of happiness. If we do not get our loved ones here, then why
> do we need those
pompous
> words?
> Regards, George, a totally pissed off US citizen
Aug 31st 2002, 5:53 am
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Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
Originally posted by Ready:
Hmmmmm...... I'd love to here him say this but I don't know if it is "piffy" enough
for him:O)
Hmmmmm...... I'd love to here him say this but I don't know if it is "piffy" enough
for him:O)
Aug 31st 2002, 6:20 am
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Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
Jonathan, you Jerk!!
My wife .... here with me for three years now....is Russian, and I take offence to
your attitude.
You may be correct about flippant and inappropriate but your remark about another
girl from another catalog is out of line.
Have your ever noticed the number of "personal" ads for posted by American women? If
not take a look at Yahoo, Lycos, Excite, your local newspaper, neighborhood shoppers,
etc... There's no difference except Russian woman want something different as well
as the International men who desire them ...not only Americans want them.
"Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
.giganews.com...
> Your letter is flippant and a little rude. I doubt you'll get much of a response.
> Although, maybe Bill O'Reilly is like Howard Stern and he
thrives
> on such rudeness? This is definitely not a letter I would send off to anyone.
> Besides, everyone KNOWs that they are not issuing visas. The onus is on
the
> applicant to know this and not apply right now. Sleeping in the streets
is
> their choice, not something mandated by the consulate. Again, we already know that
> they are not issuing visas. Every ONE person thinks that their case will be the
> one to be approved. That is not the case, they are approving no one according to
> you. So, it would be pretty stupid to try
for
> a visa right now. Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a
> "good" country from which visas ARE being issued.
> --
> Jonathan_ATC "George F." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:854d2917.0208301758.3984d58@posti-
> ng.google.com ...
> > Below is a copy of my email to O'Reilly factor!
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From:"George F."
> > <[email protected]> Subject: Russian fiancees and wives are terrorist
> > suspects To[email protected]
> >
> >
> > Dear O'Reilly,
> >
> > I and hundreds of US citizens whose fiancees and
> wives
> > passed their interviews in Moscow embassy are put
in
> a
> > limbo. They stopped issuing visas since 7/22/02.
> >
> > The rest of the world DO continue to issue K1 and
K3
> > visas (fiancee and wife visas of US citizens),
> except
> > Russia, China, Egypt, and Cuba. For the case of Egypt, we
> > may understand what it is, but ... give
me
> a
> > break... russian fiancees are suspected to be terrorists?
> > By the way, people from Saudi Arabia
> are
> > getting their visas to come here without any
> problems.
> > Isn't this fun?
> >
> > Many ladies with their children have travelled hundreds and
> > thousands of miles, they got to
Moscow,
> > and were told after the interview, that they've
> passed
> > the interview but there is an additional administrative
> > process they have to do. Many of
> them
> > bought their tickets and had to postpone their
> flights
> > many times, and it costs at least $200 to do so.
> Many
> > of them sleep on the streets. It's a total chaos
in
> > and around the US consulate in Moscow. We are
> talking
> > about 2.5 to 3 thousand people affected of this
> "wise"
> > decision by our governemnt.
> >
> > The decision came from the Dep. of State to halt
all
> > the issuance of visas to K1/K3 people since July
22,
> > 2002. Why? Nobody seam to care? But the worst
> thing
> > is that the fiancees are not told when this will
> end,
> > but rather, they're told to call back in couple of days, in
> > a week, in two weeks, and this goes on
and
> > on.
> >
> > C'mon, who the hell has profiled these beautiful, family
> > oriented women, and many with their
children,
> > that are coming here to harm us? Why? Mr.
> O'Reilly,
> > have you seen any Russian female terrorists
around?
> > The US constitution says should guarantee life, liberty,
> > and pursuit of happiness. If we do not
get
> > our loved ones here, then why do we need those
> pompous
> > words?
> >
> > Regards, George, a totally pissed off US citizen
My wife .... here with me for three years now....is Russian, and I take offence to
your attitude.
You may be correct about flippant and inappropriate but your remark about another
girl from another catalog is out of line.
Have your ever noticed the number of "personal" ads for posted by American women? If
not take a look at Yahoo, Lycos, Excite, your local newspaper, neighborhood shoppers,
etc... There's no difference except Russian woman want something different as well
as the International men who desire them ...not only Americans want them.
"Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
.giganews.com...
> Your letter is flippant and a little rude. I doubt you'll get much of a response.
> Although, maybe Bill O'Reilly is like Howard Stern and he
thrives
> on such rudeness? This is definitely not a letter I would send off to anyone.
> Besides, everyone KNOWs that they are not issuing visas. The onus is on
the
> applicant to know this and not apply right now. Sleeping in the streets
is
> their choice, not something mandated by the consulate. Again, we already know that
> they are not issuing visas. Every ONE person thinks that their case will be the
> one to be approved. That is not the case, they are approving no one according to
> you. So, it would be pretty stupid to try
for
> a visa right now. Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a
> "good" country from which visas ARE being issued.
> --
> Jonathan_ATC "George F." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:854d2917.0208301758.3984d58@posti-
> ng.google.com ...
> > Below is a copy of my email to O'Reilly factor!
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From:"George F."
> > <[email protected]> Subject: Russian fiancees and wives are terrorist
> > suspects To
[email protected]> >
> >
> > Dear O'Reilly,
> >
> > I and hundreds of US citizens whose fiancees and
> wives
> > passed their interviews in Moscow embassy are put
in
> a
> > limbo. They stopped issuing visas since 7/22/02.
> >
> > The rest of the world DO continue to issue K1 and
K3
> > visas (fiancee and wife visas of US citizens),
> except
> > Russia, China, Egypt, and Cuba. For the case of Egypt, we
> > may understand what it is, but ... give
me
> a
> > break... russian fiancees are suspected to be terrorists?
> > By the way, people from Saudi Arabia
> are
> > getting their visas to come here without any
> problems.
> > Isn't this fun?
> >
> > Many ladies with their children have travelled hundreds and
> > thousands of miles, they got to
Moscow,
> > and were told after the interview, that they've
> passed
> > the interview but there is an additional administrative
> > process they have to do. Many of
> them
> > bought their tickets and had to postpone their
> flights
> > many times, and it costs at least $200 to do so.
> Many
> > of them sleep on the streets. It's a total chaos
in
> > and around the US consulate in Moscow. We are
> talking
> > about 2.5 to 3 thousand people affected of this
> "wise"
> > decision by our governemnt.
> >
> > The decision came from the Dep. of State to halt
all
> > the issuance of visas to K1/K3 people since July
22,
> > 2002. Why? Nobody seam to care? But the worst
> thing
> > is that the fiancees are not told when this will
> end,
> > but rather, they're told to call back in couple of days, in
> > a week, in two weeks, and this goes on
and
> > on.
> >
> > C'mon, who the hell has profiled these beautiful, family
> > oriented women, and many with their
children,
> > that are coming here to harm us? Why? Mr.
> O'Reilly,
> > have you seen any Russian female terrorists
around?
> > The US constitution says should guarantee life, liberty,
> > and pursuit of happiness. If we do not
get
> > our loved ones here, then why do we need those
> pompous
> > words?
> >
> > Regards, George, a totally pissed off US citizen
Aug 31st 2002, 6:28 am
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Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
mrtravel <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> While I do sympathasize, somethings trouble me.
> Why are many of them "sleeping on the streets"? Why didn't they go home? With the
> cost of rent in most of Russia, there is no reason for this "sleeping on the
> streets" There should have never been any expectation of getting the visa the
> same day.
They trusted the "Word" of the United States Government, who even after 22 July 2002
was still telling people that the Visa would be issued the same day as the interview
if all paperwork was in order. They quit their jobs, gave up their apartments, took
children out of school, and trusted the American government. Remember, some people
still trust a person's word.
In some cases, how do you travel 4000 miles back home to a life you have given up? We
know how rich the Russian people are, who's paying for all this travel? BTW, my
fiancee traveled two days by train to go to Moscow. Thank God she didn't listen to me
and go ready to board an airplane to the US. Get your head out of where ever it's
stuck and realize the rest of the world doesn't have it like we do.
news:<[email protected]>...
> While I do sympathasize, somethings trouble me.
> Why are many of them "sleeping on the streets"? Why didn't they go home? With the
> cost of rent in most of Russia, there is no reason for this "sleeping on the
> streets" There should have never been any expectation of getting the visa the
> same day.
They trusted the "Word" of the United States Government, who even after 22 July 2002
was still telling people that the Visa would be issued the same day as the interview
if all paperwork was in order. They quit their jobs, gave up their apartments, took
children out of school, and trusted the American government. Remember, some people
still trust a person's word.
In some cases, how do you travel 4000 miles back home to a life you have given up? We
know how rich the Russian people are, who's paying for all this travel? BTW, my
fiancee traveled two days by train to go to Moscow. Thank God she didn't listen to me
and go ready to board an airplane to the US. Get your head out of where ever it's
stuck and realize the rest of the world doesn't have it like we do.
Aug 31st 2002, 6:51 am
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Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
I don't wish to get into a flame war nor choose sides in an issue but at the bottom
of the IV15 checklist it stated:
III. IMPORTANT NOTE: Visa issuance is not guaranteed.
No assurance can be given in advance that a visa will be issued to you. Only when
your documents have been checked, your medical examination completed, and you have
been interviewed by a U.S. consular officer can a decision be made regarding your
eligibility to recieve a visa. You should NOT give up your job, sell your house or
make final travel arrangements until you get your visa. The fiance(e) visa is valid
for travel for a period of six months from the date of issuance; you should have
plenty of time to settle your personal affairs here after the visa is issued.
Does it not say this on the russian version of the form? The above is from the UK
form, the london embassy also issue same day visa's but they in no way promise you
will get it.
I feel for everyone who is dealing with Moscow and I sincerely hope they sort
themselves out soon and start issuing visa's again.
Best of luck
Morkai
"Douglas Menkel" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] o-
m...
> mrtravel <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > While I do sympathasize, somethings trouble me.
> >
> > Why are many of them "sleeping on the streets"? Why didn't they go home? With the
> > cost of rent in most of Russia, there is no reason for this "sleeping on the
> > streets" There should have never been any expectation of getting the visa the
> > same day.
> They trusted the "Word" of the United States Government, who even after 22 July
> 2002 was still telling people that the Visa would be issued the same day as the
> interview if all paperwork was in order. They quit their jobs, gave up their
> apartments, took children out of school, and trusted the American government.
> Remember, some people still trust a person's word.
> In some cases, how do you travel 4000 miles back home to a life you have given up?
> We know how rich the Russian people are, who's paying for all this travel? BTW, my
> fiancee traveled two days by train to go to Moscow. Thank God she didn't listen to
> me and go ready to board an airplane to the US. Get your head out of where ever
> it's stuck and realize the rest of the world doesn't have it like we do.
of the IV15 checklist it stated:
III. IMPORTANT NOTE: Visa issuance is not guaranteed.
No assurance can be given in advance that a visa will be issued to you. Only when
your documents have been checked, your medical examination completed, and you have
been interviewed by a U.S. consular officer can a decision be made regarding your
eligibility to recieve a visa. You should NOT give up your job, sell your house or
make final travel arrangements until you get your visa. The fiance(e) visa is valid
for travel for a period of six months from the date of issuance; you should have
plenty of time to settle your personal affairs here after the visa is issued.
Does it not say this on the russian version of the form? The above is from the UK
form, the london embassy also issue same day visa's but they in no way promise you
will get it.
I feel for everyone who is dealing with Moscow and I sincerely hope they sort
themselves out soon and start issuing visa's again.
Best of luck
Morkai
"Douglas Menkel" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] o-
m...
> mrtravel <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > While I do sympathasize, somethings trouble me.
> >
> > Why are many of them "sleeping on the streets"? Why didn't they go home? With the
> > cost of rent in most of Russia, there is no reason for this "sleeping on the
> > streets" There should have never been any expectation of getting the visa the
> > same day.
> They trusted the "Word" of the United States Government, who even after 22 July
> 2002 was still telling people that the Visa would be issued the same day as the
> interview if all paperwork was in order. They quit their jobs, gave up their
> apartments, took children out of school, and trusted the American government.
> Remember, some people still trust a person's word.
> In some cases, how do you travel 4000 miles back home to a life you have given up?
> We know how rich the Russian people are, who's paying for all this travel? BTW, my
> fiancee traveled two days by train to go to Moscow. Thank God she didn't listen to
> me and go ready to board an airplane to the US. Get your head out of where ever
> it's stuck and realize the rest of the world doesn't have it like we do.
Aug 31st 2002, 1:15 pm
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Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
Yes, American women selling themselves in a catalog is just as bad in my opinion.
--
Jonathan_ATC "js" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
er.com...
> Jonathan, you Jerk!!
> My wife .... here with me for three years now....is Russian, and I take offence to
> your attitude.
> You may be correct about flippant and inappropriate but your remark about another
> girl from another catalog is out of line.
> Have your ever noticed the number of "personal" ads for posted by American women?
> If not take a look at Yahoo, Lycos, Excite, your local newspaper, neighborhood
> shoppers, etc... There's no difference except Russian woman want something
> different as well as the International men who desire them ...not only Americans
> want them.
> "Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> aus1.giganews.com ...
> > Your letter is flippant and a little rude. I doubt you'll get much of a
> > response. Although, maybe Bill O'Reilly is like Howard Stern and he
> thrives
> > on such rudeness? This is definitely not a letter I would send off to anyone.
> >
> > Besides, everyone KNOWs that they are not issuing visas. The onus is on
> the
> > applicant to know this and not apply right now. Sleeping in the streets
> is
> > their choice, not something mandated by the consulate. Again, we
already
> > know that they are not issuing visas. Every ONE person thinks that
their
> > case will be the one to be approved. That is not the case, they are approving no
> > one according to you. So, it would be pretty stupid to try
> for
> > a visa right now. Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a
> > "good" country from which visas ARE being issued.
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan_ATC "George F." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:854d2917.0208301758.3984d58@p-
> > osting.google.com ...
> > > Below is a copy of my email to O'Reilly factor!
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------
> > > Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From:"George F."
> > > <[email protected]> Subject: Russian fiancees and wives are terrorist
> > > suspects To[email protected]
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear O'Reilly,
> > >
> > > I and hundreds of US citizens whose fiancees and
> > wives
> > > passed their interviews in Moscow embassy are
put
> in
> > a
> > > limbo. They stopped issuing visas since
7/22/02.
> > >
> > > The rest of the world DO continue to issue K1
and
> K3
> > > visas (fiancee and wife visas of US citizens),
> > except
> > > Russia, China, Egypt, and Cuba. For the case of Egypt,
> > > we may understand what it is, but ...
give
> me
> > a
> > > break... russian fiancees are suspected to be terrorists?
> > > By the way, people from Saudi
Arabia
> > are
> > > getting their visas to come here without any
> > problems.
> > > Isn't this fun?
> > >
> > > Many ladies with their children have travelled hundreds
> > > and thousands of miles, they got to
> Moscow,
> > > and were told after the interview, that they've
> > passed
> > > the interview but there is an additional administrative
> > > process they have to do. Many of
> > them
> > > bought their tickets and had to postpone their
> > flights
> > > many times, and it costs at least $200 to do so.
> > Many
> > > of them sleep on the streets. It's a total
chaos
> in
> > > and around the US consulate in Moscow. We are
> > talking
> > > about 2.5 to 3 thousand people affected of this
> > "wise"
> > > decision by our governemnt.
> > >
> > > The decision came from the Dep. of State to halt
> all
> > > the issuance of visas to K1/K3 people since July
> 22,
> > > 2002. Why? Nobody seam to care? But the worst
> > thing
> > > is that the fiancees are not told when this will
> > end,
> > > but rather, they're told to call back in couple
of
> > > days, in a week, in two weeks, and this goes on
> and
> > > on.
> > >
> > > C'mon, who the hell has profiled these
beautiful,
> > > family oriented women, and many with their
> children,
> > > that are coming here to harm us? Why? Mr.
> > O'Reilly,
> > > have you seen any Russian female terrorists
> around?
> > > The US constitution says should guarantee life, liberty,
> > > and pursuit of happiness. If we do not
> get
> > > our loved ones here, then why do we need those
> > pompous
> > > words?
> > >
> > > Regards, George, a totally pissed off US citizen
> >
--
Jonathan_ATC "js" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
er.com...
> Jonathan, you Jerk!!
> My wife .... here with me for three years now....is Russian, and I take offence to
> your attitude.
> You may be correct about flippant and inappropriate but your remark about another
> girl from another catalog is out of line.
> Have your ever noticed the number of "personal" ads for posted by American women?
> If not take a look at Yahoo, Lycos, Excite, your local newspaper, neighborhood
> shoppers, etc... There's no difference except Russian woman want something
> different as well as the International men who desire them ...not only Americans
> want them.
> "Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> aus1.giganews.com ...
> > Your letter is flippant and a little rude. I doubt you'll get much of a
> > response. Although, maybe Bill O'Reilly is like Howard Stern and he
> thrives
> > on such rudeness? This is definitely not a letter I would send off to anyone.
> >
> > Besides, everyone KNOWs that they are not issuing visas. The onus is on
> the
> > applicant to know this and not apply right now. Sleeping in the streets
> is
> > their choice, not something mandated by the consulate. Again, we
already
> > know that they are not issuing visas. Every ONE person thinks that
their
> > case will be the one to be approved. That is not the case, they are approving no
> > one according to you. So, it would be pretty stupid to try
> for
> > a visa right now. Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a
> > "good" country from which visas ARE being issued.
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan_ATC "George F." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:854d2917.0208301758.3984d58@p-
> > osting.google.com ...
> > > Below is a copy of my email to O'Reilly factor!
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------
> > > Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From:"George F."
> > > <[email protected]> Subject: Russian fiancees and wives are terrorist
> > > suspects To
[email protected]> > >
> > >
> > > Dear O'Reilly,
> > >
> > > I and hundreds of US citizens whose fiancees and
> > wives
> > > passed their interviews in Moscow embassy are
put
> in
> > a
> > > limbo. They stopped issuing visas since
7/22/02.
> > >
> > > The rest of the world DO continue to issue K1
and
> K3
> > > visas (fiancee and wife visas of US citizens),
> > except
> > > Russia, China, Egypt, and Cuba. For the case of Egypt,
> > > we may understand what it is, but ...
give
> me
> > a
> > > break... russian fiancees are suspected to be terrorists?
> > > By the way, people from Saudi
Arabia
> > are
> > > getting their visas to come here without any
> > problems.
> > > Isn't this fun?
> > >
> > > Many ladies with their children have travelled hundreds
> > > and thousands of miles, they got to
> Moscow,
> > > and were told after the interview, that they've
> > passed
> > > the interview but there is an additional administrative
> > > process they have to do. Many of
> > them
> > > bought their tickets and had to postpone their
> > flights
> > > many times, and it costs at least $200 to do so.
> > Many
> > > of them sleep on the streets. It's a total
chaos
> in
> > > and around the US consulate in Moscow. We are
> > talking
> > > about 2.5 to 3 thousand people affected of this
> > "wise"
> > > decision by our governemnt.
> > >
> > > The decision came from the Dep. of State to halt
> all
> > > the issuance of visas to K1/K3 people since July
> 22,
> > > 2002. Why? Nobody seam to care? But the worst
> > thing
> > > is that the fiancees are not told when this will
> > end,
> > > but rather, they're told to call back in couple
of
> > > days, in a week, in two weeks, and this goes on
> and
> > > on.
> > >
> > > C'mon, who the hell has profiled these
beautiful,
> > > family oriented women, and many with their
> children,
> > > that are coming here to harm us? Why? Mr.
> > O'Reilly,
> > > have you seen any Russian female terrorists
> around?
> > > The US constitution says should guarantee life, liberty,
> > > and pursuit of happiness. If we do not
> get
> > > our loved ones here, then why do we need those
> > pompous
> > > words?
> > >
> > > Regards, George, a totally pissed off US citizen
> >
Aug 31st 2002, 1:30 pm
#10
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Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
"Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:XW4c9.313094
>Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a "good" country from
>which visas ARE being issued.
That was pretty asinine.
"Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
.giganews.com...
> Your letter is flippant and a little rude. I doubt you'll get much of a response.
> Although, maybe Bill O'Reilly is like Howard Stern and he
thrives
> on such rudeness? This is definitely not a letter I would send off to anyone.
> Besides, everyone KNOWs that they are not issuing visas. The onus is on
the
> applicant to know this and not apply right now. Sleeping in the streets
is
> their choice, not something mandated by the consulate. Again, we already know that
> they are not issuing visas. Every ONE person thinks that their case will be the
> one to be approved. That is not the case, they are approving no one according to
> you. So, it would be pretty stupid to try
for
> a visa right now. Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a
> "good" country from which visas ARE being issued.
> --
> Jonathan_ATC
news:XW4c9.313094
>Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a "good" country from
>which visas ARE being issued.
That was pretty asinine.
"Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
.giganews.com...
> Your letter is flippant and a little rude. I doubt you'll get much of a response.
> Although, maybe Bill O'Reilly is like Howard Stern and he
thrives
> on such rudeness? This is definitely not a letter I would send off to anyone.
> Besides, everyone KNOWs that they are not issuing visas. The onus is on
the
> applicant to know this and not apply right now. Sleeping in the streets
is
> their choice, not something mandated by the consulate. Again, we already know that
> they are not issuing visas. Every ONE person thinks that their case will be the
> one to be approved. That is not the case, they are approving no one according to
> you. So, it would be pretty stupid to try
for
> a visa right now. Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a
> "good" country from which visas ARE being issued.
> --
> Jonathan_ATC
Aug 31st 2002, 2:36 pm
#11
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
So was your post.
--
Jonathan_ATC "Ben Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:v4ec9.1519$tp3.134624@newsre-
ad1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> "Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:XW4c9.313094
> >Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a "good" country from
> >which visas ARE being issued.
> That was pretty asinine.
> "Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> aus1.giganews.com ...
> > Your letter is flippant and a little rude. I doubt you'll get much of a
> > response. Although, maybe Bill O'Reilly is like Howard Stern and he
> thrives
> > on such rudeness? This is definitely not a letter I would send off to anyone.
> >
> > Besides, everyone KNOWs that they are not issuing visas. The onus is on
> the
> > applicant to know this and not apply right now. Sleeping in the streets
> is
> > their choice, not something mandated by the consulate. Again, we
already
> > know that they are not issuing visas. Every ONE person thinks that
their
> > case will be the one to be approved. That is not the case, they are approving no
> > one according to you. So, it would be pretty stupid to try
> for
> > a visa right now. Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a
> > "good" country from which visas ARE being issued.
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan_ATC
--
Jonathan_ATC "Ben Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:v4ec9.1519$tp3.134624@newsre-
ad1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> "Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:XW4c9.313094
> >Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a "good" country from
> >which visas ARE being issued.
> That was pretty asinine.
> "Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
> aus1.giganews.com ...
> > Your letter is flippant and a little rude. I doubt you'll get much of a
> > response. Although, maybe Bill O'Reilly is like Howard Stern and he
> thrives
> > on such rudeness? This is definitely not a letter I would send off to anyone.
> >
> > Besides, everyone KNOWs that they are not issuing visas. The onus is on
> the
> > applicant to know this and not apply right now. Sleeping in the streets
> is
> > their choice, not something mandated by the consulate. Again, we
already
> > know that they are not issuing visas. Every ONE person thinks that
their
> > case will be the one to be approved. That is not the case, they are approving no
> > one according to you. So, it would be pretty stupid to try
> for
> > a visa right now. Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a
> > "good" country from which visas ARE being issued.
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan_ATC
Aug 31st 2002, 3:39 pm
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Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
I am sorry your wife traveled for 2 days by train to Moscow. It is a horrible thing
not to live near an airport with flights to Moscow..
You stated, "We know how rich the Russian people are, who's paying for all this
travel?" I would assume the US spouse would pay. Train travel in RU is cheap by
American standards.
I enjoyed your comment about:
"Get your head out of where ever it's stuck and realize the rest of the world doesn't
have it like we do."
My wife is from Siberia. I have been to enough places to realize how lucky I am to be
an Amrican. So, don't shove that crap in my direction. When we went to the interview
in Moscw, I ALWAYS considered the visa would not be granted the same day.
not to live near an airport with flights to Moscow..
You stated, "We know how rich the Russian people are, who's paying for all this
travel?" I would assume the US spouse would pay. Train travel in RU is cheap by
American standards.
I enjoyed your comment about:
"Get your head out of where ever it's stuck and realize the rest of the world doesn't
have it like we do."
My wife is from Siberia. I have been to enough places to realize how lucky I am to be
an Amrican. So, don't shove that crap in my direction. When we went to the interview
in Moscw, I ALWAYS considered the visa would not be granted the same day.
Aug 31st 2002, 3:43 pm
#13
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Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
Ben Johnson wrote:
> "Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:XW4c9.313094
> >Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a "good" country from
> >which visas ARE being issued.
> That was pretty asinine.
Not if the OP actually picked his bride from a catalog. My wife has friends that
wouldn't mind meeting an American, but they will not put themselves into a catalog.
For them, they pretty much agree with Jonathan's perspective on marriage catalogs.
So, if you are searching loveme.com, you aren't going to find them.
> "Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:XW4c9.313094
> >Pick another girl from another catalog... This time pick a "good" country from
> >which visas ARE being issued.
> That was pretty asinine.
Not if the OP actually picked his bride from a catalog. My wife has friends that
wouldn't mind meeting an American, but they will not put themselves into a catalog.
For them, they pretty much agree with Jonathan's perspective on marriage catalogs.
So, if you are searching loveme.com, you aren't going to find them.
Aug 31st 2002, 8:28 pm
#14
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Posts: n/a
Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
"Jonathan_ATC" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
iganews.com...
> Yes, American women selling themselves in a catalog is just as bad in my opinion.
where can I find one of these American women catalogs? Do they sort them into
different shapes and sizes?
Grinch
iganews.com...
> Yes, American women selling themselves in a catalog is just as bad in my opinion.
where can I find one of these American women catalogs? Do they sort them into
different shapes and sizes?
Grinch
Sep 1st 2002, 3:40 am
#15
Forum Regular
Joined: Jul 2002
Location: Omaha, Nebraska area.
Posts: 34
Re: I emailed to O'Reilly factor - Moscow chaos
Originally posted by Mrtravel:
I am sorry your wife traveled for 2 days by train to Moscow. It is a horrible thing
not to live near an airport with flights to Moscow..
You stated, "We know how rich the Russian people are, who's paying for all this
travel?" I would assume the US spouse would pay. Train travel in RU is cheap by
American standards.
I enjoyed your comment about:
"Get your head out of where ever it's stuck and realize the rest of the world doesn't
have it like we do."
My wife is from Siberia. I have been to enough places to realize how lucky I am to be
an Amrican. So, don't shove that crap in my direction. When we went to the interview
in Moscw, I ALWAYS considered the visa would not be granted the same day.
I am sorry your wife traveled for 2 days by train to Moscow. It is a horrible thing
not to live near an airport with flights to Moscow..
You stated, "We know how rich the Russian people are, who's paying for all this
travel?" I would assume the US spouse would pay. Train travel in RU is cheap by
American standards.
I enjoyed your comment about:
"Get your head out of where ever it's stuck and realize the rest of the world doesn't
have it like we do."
My wife is from Siberia. I have been to enough places to realize how lucky I am to be
an Amrican. So, don't shove that crap in my direction. When we went to the interview
in Moscw, I ALWAYS considered the visa would not be granted the same day.
The Moscow Consulate were issuing visas the same afternoon of the successful interview all summer up to and including July 19. They have suddenly and without notice or warning stopped July 22, and have not issued a K type visa since.
Thanks,
