Kidd Andersson

Bah! I'm losing it!

My fiance' is a citizen of Finland. I'm a US citizen. Our wedding is
dated for October. I was told that we could wait and not file any papers
until after we get married.
Looking into it now, is this really an option or should we try to file
the K1 now?
I'm so confused!

Thanks in advance,

K.A.

meauxna

Where is your fiance now?
If in the US, under what status?
What state do you live in?

Berta

This response is not legal and is given as an opinion only.

I don't know who told you that you could wait to do paperwork afterwards, but you should ALWAYS look into things yourself. There are two procedures, a K-1 visa for fiancee's and a different K visa for married couples. Last I heard, the married visa takes longer to go through than the fiancee visa. I'm going through the fiancee process so don't have experience with the other. Alot of what you do next depends on where you two plan to live and what that countries laws are. You really need to check into it. Just my opinion, but it sounds like you're going to need to re-consider that wedding date.

Kidd Andersson

meauxna wrote:

    >>Bah! I'm losing it!
    >>My fiance' is a citizen of Finland. I'm a US citizen. Our wedding is
    >>dated for October. I was told that we could wait and not file any
    >>papers
    >>until after we get married.
    >>Looking into it now, is this really an option or should we try to file
    >>the K1 now?
    >>I'm so confused!
    >>Thanks in advance,
    >>K.A.
    >
    >
    > Where is your fiance now?
    > If in the US, under what status?
    > What state do you live in?
    >

He's in Finland at the moment. I'm in Florida.
We'll be married here and he will come to live here. If I could move
there I would have already but I have a daughter and I dont want to
seperate her from her father.

K.

Kidd Andersson

Berta wrote:


    >
    > I don't know who told you that you could wait to do paperwork
    > afterwards, but you should ALWAYS look into things yourself.

A friend of mine is a US citizen and he didn't file a bit of paperwork
until after he married his wife, who is from Columbia. She wasnt living
here at the time. She came to visit and they got married.

There are
    > two procedures, a K-1 visa for fiancee's and a different K visa for
    > married couples. Last I heard, the married visa takes longer to go
    > through than the fiancee visa. I'm going through the fiancee process so
    > don't have experience with the other. Alot of what you do next depends
    > on where you two plan to live and what that countries laws are.

We plan to live in Florida where I am now.

You
    > really need to check into it.

If I could make heads or tails of what I'm supposed to do I wouldn't
need help. :) I'm so lost it's not funny.

Just my opinion, but it sounds like
    > you're going to need to re-consider that wedding date.

I think you're right. Such is life. We'll have to put it off I guess.

    >

K.

Jan Andersson

Kidd Andersson wrote:
    >
    > Berta wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > I don't know who told you that you could wait to do paperwork
    > > afterwards, but you should ALWAYS look into things yourself.
    >
    > A friend of mine is a US citizen and he didn't file a bit of paperwork
    > until after he married his wife, who is from Columbia. She wasnt living
    > here at the time. She came to visit and they got married.
    >
    > There are
    > > two procedures, a K-1 visa for fiancee's and a different K visa for
    > > married couples. Last I heard, the married visa takes longer to go
    > > through than the fiancee visa. I'm going through the fiancee process so
    > > don't have experience with the other. Alot of what you do next depends
    > > on where you two plan to live and what that countries laws are.
    >
    > We plan to live in Florida where I am now.
    >
    > You
    > > really need to check into it.
    >
    > If I could make heads or tails of what I'm supposed to do I wouldn't
    > need help. :) I'm so lost it's not funny.
    >
    > Just my opinion, but it sounds like
    > > you're going to need to re-consider that wedding date.
    >
    > I think you're right. Such is life. We'll have to put it off I guess.
    >
    > >
    >
    > K.



Noooo I don't want to!
    :)

Hi guys and gals, I would be the funny furriner in this case.
I thought I'd post something to introduce myself.

Hi group, my name is Jan and I have a problem.

<grin>

While we have no actual larger-than-life reason to put off the wedding
(and my move to FL),
I would rather not do that unless we really needed to.
There would be some benefits to that I guess,
like buying us more time and being able to save more money, but still.
I'm still living and working in Finland for the time being.

We have studied the immigration issues quite a bit already in the not so
distant past,
but we sort of allowed ourselves to take a little break from it. We
shouldn't have.

At this point, we seem to have identified our "first step":

1) I-129F for K1 Visa
2) G-325A for biographical information, each of us fills out one form
3) Affidavit of support (need it or not, we are getting one since my
darling wife to be does not have a long enough uninterrupted salary
record)

These would be all filed at the same time, and it will take 30 to 90
days to process it. That's our first move, then we basically wait for
further instructions. (They will ask for more documents etc. which we
will begin collecting and preparing in advance of course).

Since she is a Florida resident and that's where we will be living, we
will be sending the application to Texas. Now, the government website we
yanked these forms and information out of, said iut will take 30 to 90
days for them to process it.

Question: Does anyone happen to know how long on average it really takes
these days, In Texas? Closer to 30 or 90 days?

Jan (Male, pronounced "yawn" just so you know.. us scandinavians and
our silly names.. )

Jan Andersson

Jan Andersson wrote:
    >
    > Kidd Andersson wrote:
    > >
    > > Berta wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > > I don't know who told you that you could wait to do paperwork
    > > > afterwards, but you should ALWAYS look into things yourself.
    > >
    > > A friend of mine is a US citizen and he didn't file a bit of paperwork
    > > until after he married his wife, who is from Columbia. She wasnt living
    > > here at the time. She came to visit and they got married.
    > >
    > > There are
    > > > two procedures, a K-1 visa for fiancee's and a different K visa for
    > > > married couples. Last I heard, the married visa takes longer to go
    > > > through than the fiancee visa. I'm going through the fiancee process so
    > > > don't have experience with the other. Alot of what you do next depends
    > > > on where you two plan to live and what that countries laws are.
    > >
    > > We plan to live in Florida where I am now.
    > >
    > > You
    > > > really need to check into it.
    > >
    > > If I could make heads or tails of what I'm supposed to do I wouldn't
    > > need help. :) I'm so lost it's not funny.
    > >
    > > Just my opinion, but it sounds like
    > > > you're going to need to re-consider that wedding date.
    > >
    > > I think you're right. Such is life. We'll have to put it off I guess.
    > >
    > > >
    > >
    > > K.
    >
    > Noooo I don't want to!
    > :)
    >
    > Hi guys and gals, I would be the funny furriner in this case.
    > I thought I'd post something to introduce myself.
    >
    > Hi group, my name is Jan and I have a problem.
    >
    > <grin>
    >
    > While we have no actual larger-than-life reason to put off the wedding
    > (and my move to FL),
    > I would rather not do that unless we really needed to.


Ack, that was supposed to read "to NOT put off"... oh well. It's late
and I have a cold.
<cough cough>.

Jan

Sophie T

"Kidd Andersson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Bah! I'm losing it!
    > My fiance' is a citizen of Finland. I'm a US citizen. Our wedding is dated
    > for October. I was told that we could wait and not file any papers until
    > after we get married.
    > Looking into it now, is this really an option or should we try to file the
    > K1 now?
    > I'm so confused!
    > Thanks in advance,
    > K.A.

Hi,

According to their website:

http://www.usembassy.fi/visas/ivspouse.htm

It appears that you could apply directly at the embassy in Finland. It's
unofficially called DCF (direct consular filing) of the I-130 petition.
This is the petition that is filed after you're married. Then, your fiance
(then spouse) can enter the US as a conditional permanent resident. When
this method is available, it is usually much faster and less hassle.
It means you (the USC) would have to travel to Finland after you're married
and file the petition in person, but then you don't have to stay any longer.
Your fiance would have to stay until the process is completed (4 to 8 weeks
according to their website). Then when he enters, as soon as he gets a
social security number, he's allowed to work. You have nothing else to do
except file for the "conditions" to be removed 2 years minus 90 days after
he enters the US.

Somethings that come to mind:
You might want to get married in Finland and then file--I don't know if it's
hard for a foreigner to marry there--but your fiance probably does.

You might want to have a small civil ceremony here (US) and then file the
paperwork in Finland. Then when he arrives here, have the big wedding in
October, even though you're already officially married....just some
thoughts.

Hope this helps...

If you decide to consider this route, you should contact the embassy
directly and make sure they accept the petition from non-resident US
citizens...their site says yes, but it doesn't hurt to make sure.

Sophie

Jan Andersson

Kidd Andersson wrote:
    >
    > Jan Andersson wrote:
    > >
    > > Hi guys and gals, I would be the funny furriner in this case.
    > > I thought I'd post something to introduce myself.
    > >
    > > Hi group, my name is Jan and I have a problem.
    > >
    > > <grin>
    > >
    > > While we have no actual larger-than-life reason to put off the wedding
    > > (and my move to FL),
    > > I would rather not do that unless we really needed to.
    > > There would be some benefits to that I guess,
    > > like buying us more time and being able to save more money, but still.
    > > I'm still living and working in Finland for the time being.
    > >
    > > We have studied the immigration issues quite a bit already in the not so
    > > distant past,
    > > but we sort of allowed ourselves to take a little break from it. We
    > > shouldn't have.
    > >
    > > At this point, we seem to have identified our "first step":
    > >
    > > 1) I-129F for K1 Visa
    > > 2) G-325A for biographical information, each of us fills out one form
    > > 3) Affidavit of support (need it or not, we are getting one since my
    > > darling wife to be does not have a long enough uninterrupted salary
    > > record)
    > >
    > > These would be all filed at the same time, and it will take 30 to 90
    > > days to process it. That's our first move, then we basically wait for
    > > further instructions. (They will ask for more documents etc. which we
    > > will begin collecting and preparing in advance of course).
    > >
    > > Since she is a Florida resident and that's where we will be living, we
    > > will be sending the application to Texas. Now, the government website we
    > > yanked these forms and information out of, said iut will take 30 to 90
    > > days for them to process it.
    > >
    > > Question: Does anyone happen to know how long on average it really takes
    > > these days, In Texas? Closer to 30 or 90 days?
    > >
    > > Jan (Male, pronounced "yawn" just so you know.. us scandinavians and
    > > our silly names.. )
    >
    > Yes yes and all that blah blah blah. My point was, do we HAVE to file
    > before we get married or can we file AFTER we get married?
    > If we file after, is that a violation and considered trying to avoid the
    > immigration process? Because that's not why we're getting married. We
    > aren't trying to avoid anything. I was told waiting until after is the
    > easiest way, but now I dont know. Either way we're looking at it, he
    > will have to go back to Finland, correct? He would have to go back while
    > they processed his visa but how long would that take, generally speaking?
    > I have no idea what's going on. Lost, as usual.
    >
    > And YAWN, you forgot the important part in your little list of what to
    > do. IS THIS CORRECT? If so, what comes next?

Oh yes, in my haste and excitement I forgot to say that this is what we
have found out so far, and we would like to know if it's the right thing
to do :) I'm just as lost.

Is there a general FAQ somewhere for this stuff in a simple format?
We are reading up on this stuff again elsewhere too, not just leeching
stuff off of you guys ;)



Jan

Kidd Andersson

Jan Andersson wrote:
    >
    > Hi guys and gals, I would be the funny furriner in this case.
    > I thought I'd post something to introduce myself.
    >
    > Hi group, my name is Jan and I have a problem.
    >
    > <grin>
    >
    > While we have no actual larger-than-life reason to put off the wedding
    > (and my move to FL),
    > I would rather not do that unless we really needed to.
    > There would be some benefits to that I guess,
    > like buying us more time and being able to save more money, but still.
    > I'm still living and working in Finland for the time being.
    >
    > We have studied the immigration issues quite a bit already in the not so
    > distant past,
    > but we sort of allowed ourselves to take a little break from it. We
    > shouldn't have.
    >
    > At this point, we seem to have identified our "first step":
    >
    > 1) I-129F for K1 Visa
    > 2) G-325A for biographical information, each of us fills out one form
    > 3) Affidavit of support (need it or not, we are getting one since my
    > darling wife to be does not have a long enough uninterrupted salary
    > record)
    >
    > These would be all filed at the same time, and it will take 30 to 90
    > days to process it. That's our first move, then we basically wait for
    > further instructions. (They will ask for more documents etc. which we
    > will begin collecting and preparing in advance of course).
    >
    > Since she is a Florida resident and that's where we will be living, we
    > will be sending the application to Texas. Now, the government website we
    > yanked these forms and information out of, said iut will take 30 to 90
    > days for them to process it.
    >
    > Question: Does anyone happen to know how long on average it really takes
    > these days, In Texas? Closer to 30 or 90 days?
    >
    > Jan (Male, pronounced "yawn" just so you know.. us scandinavians and
    > our silly names.. )

Yes yes and all that blah blah blah. My point was, do we HAVE to file
before we get married or can we file AFTER we get married?
If we file after, is that a violation and considered trying to avoid the
immigration process? Because that's not why we're getting married. We
aren't trying to avoid anything. I was told waiting until after is the
easiest way, but now I dont know. Either way we're looking at it, he
will have to go back to Finland, correct? He would have to go back while
they processed his visa but how long would that take, generally speaking?
I have no idea what's going on. Lost, as usual.

And YAWN, you forgot the important part in your little list of what to
do. IS THIS CORRECT? If so, what comes next?

Jan Andersson

Sophie T wrote:
    >
    > "Kidd Andersson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Bah! I'm losing it!
    > >
    > > My fiance' is a citizen of Finland. I'm a US citizen. Our wedding is dated
    > > for October. I was told that we could wait and not file any papers until
    > > after we get married.
    > > Looking into it now, is this really an option or should we try to file the
    > > K1 now?
    > > I'm so confused!
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance,
    > >
    > > K.A.
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > According to their website:
    >
    > http://www.usembassy.fi/visas/ivspouse.htm



<sits in the corner blushing and ashamed>

I should have gone there to look myself.. oops.. you're making me look
all lazy now :)


    > It appears that you could apply directly at the embassy in Finland. It's
    > unofficially called DCF (direct consular filing) of the I-130 petition.
    > This is the petition that is filed after you're married. Then, your fiance
    > (then spouse) can enter the US as a conditional permanent resident. When
    > this method is available, it is usually much faster and less hassle.
    > It means you (the USC) would have to travel to Finland after you're married
    > and file the petition in person, but then you don't have to stay any longer.
    > Your fiance would have to stay until the process is completed (4 to 8 weeks
    > according to their website). Then when he enters, as soon as he gets a
    > social security number, he's allowed to work. You have nothing else to do
    > except file for the "conditions" to be removed 2 years minus 90 days after
    > he enters the US.

That sounds better than great! I'll have to look into that. THANK YOU.


    > Somethings that come to mind:
    > You might want to get married in Finland and then file--I don't know if it's
    > hard for a foreigner to marry there--but your fiance probably does.

It's not hard I think, but our government also
acklnowledges US/Florida marriages. We could do it in either country.
I'd still prefer to get married in FL for many reasons.


    > You might want to have a small civil ceremony here (US) and then file the
    > paperwork in Finland. Then when he arrives here, have the big wedding in
    > October, even though you're already officially married....just some
    > thoughts.
    >
    > Hope this helps...

It does, thank you so much!


    > If you decide to consider this route, you should contact the embassy
    > directly and make sure they accept the petition from non-resident US
    > citizens...their site says yes, but it doesn't hurt to make sure.
    >
    > Sophie

I'll contact the embassy and ask them. I can easily go there in person
too.
We drove past it last week :)


Jan

Sophie T

"Jan Andersson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Sophie T wrote:
    >> "Kidd Andersson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > Bah! I'm losing it!
    >> >
    >> > My fiance' is a citizen of Finland. I'm a US citizen. Our wedding is
    >> > dated
    >> > for October. I was told that we could wait and not file any papers
    >> > until
    >> > after we get married.
    >> > Looking into it now, is this really an option or should we try to file
    >> > the
    >> > K1 now?
    >> > I'm so confused!
    >> >
    >> > Thanks in advance,
    >> >
    >> > K.A.
    >> Hi,
    >> According to their website:
    >> http://www.usembassy.fi/visas/ivspouse.htm
    > <sits in the corner blushing and ashamed>
    > I should have gone there to look myself.. oops.. you're making me look
    > all lazy now :)
    >> It appears that you could apply directly at the embassy in Finland. It's
    >> unofficially called DCF (direct consular filing) of the I-130 petition.
    >> This is the petition that is filed after you're married. Then, your
    >> fiance
    >> (then spouse) can enter the US as a conditional permanent resident. When
    >> this method is available, it is usually much faster and less hassle.
    >> It means you (the USC) would have to travel to Finland after you're
    >> married
    >> and file the petition in person, but then you don't have to stay any
    >> longer.
    >> Your fiance would have to stay until the process is completed (4 to 8
    >> weeks
    >> according to their website). Then when he enters, as soon as he gets a
    >> social security number, he's allowed to work. You have nothing else to
    >> do
    >> except file for the "conditions" to be removed 2 years minus 90 days
    >> after
    >> he enters the US.
    > That sounds better than great! I'll have to look into that. THANK YOU.
    >> Somethings that come to mind:
    >> You might want to get married in Finland and then file--I don't know if
    >> it's
    >> hard for a foreigner to marry there--but your fiance probably does.
    > It's not hard I think, but our government also
    > acklnowledges US/Florida marriages. We could do it in either country.
    > I'd still prefer to get married in FL for many reasons.
    >> You might want to have a small civil ceremony here (US) and then file the
    >> paperwork in Finland. Then when he arrives here, have the big wedding in
    >> October, even though you're already officially married....just some
    >> thoughts.
    >> Hope this helps...
    > It does, thank you so much!
    >> If you decide to consider this route, you should contact the embassy
    >> directly and make sure they accept the petition from non-resident US
    >> citizens...their site says yes, but it doesn't hurt to make sure.
    >> Sophie
    > I'll contact the embassy and ask them. I can easily go there in person
    > too.
    > We drove past it last week :)
    > Jan

You're welcome! And I didn't mean to make you look lazy. I had no idea
where to start when my husband and I got married. A nice lady in this
newsgroup gave us some great advice and pointed us in the DCF direction. It
was the perfect solution for us. (that was in Switzerland 2000)
I hope it works out well for you too!

Good luck!

Sophie

Eric S.

Check out the FAQ at www.visajourney.com. It gives the various methods and
steps for each method.

Coming to the US as a visitor, intending to get married and file adjustment
of status after marriage is not strictly legal. While it has been done
sucessfully by some people, it is frowned upon by people on this forum.
Here, we call it the "10 foot pole" issue.

- Eric S.


"Jan Andersson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Kidd Andersson wrote:
    > >
    > > Jan Andersson wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Hi guys and gals, I would be the funny furriner in this case.
    > > > I thought I'd post something to introduce myself.
    > > >
    > > > Hi group, my name is Jan and I have a problem.
    > > >
    > > > <grin>
    > > >
    > > > While we have no actual larger-than-life reason to put off the wedding
    > > > (and my move to FL),
    > > > I would rather not do that unless we really needed to.
    > > > There would be some benefits to that I guess,
    > > > like buying us more time and being able to save more money, but still.
    > > > I'm still living and working in Finland for the time being.
    > > >
    > > > We have studied the immigration issues quite a bit already in the not
so
    > > > distant past,
    > > > but we sort of allowed ourselves to take a little break from it. We
    > > > shouldn't have.
    > > >
    > > > At this point, we seem to have identified our "first step":
    > > >
    > > > 1) I-129F for K1 Visa
    > > > 2) G-325A for biographical information, each of us fills out one form
    > > > 3) Affidavit of support (need it or not, we are getting one since my
    > > > darling wife to be does not have a long enough uninterrupted salary
    > > > record)
    > > >
    > > > These would be all filed at the same time, and it will take 30 to 90
    > > > days to process it. That's our first move, then we basically wait for
    > > > further instructions. (They will ask for more documents etc. which we
    > > > will begin collecting and preparing in advance of course).
    > > >
    > > > Since she is a Florida resident and that's where we will be living, we
    > > > will be sending the application to Texas. Now, the government website
we
    > > > yanked these forms and information out of, said iut will take 30 to 90
    > > > days for them to process it.
    > > >
    > > > Question: Does anyone happen to know how long on average it really
takes
    > > > these days, In Texas? Closer to 30 or 90 days?
    > > >
    > > > Jan (Male, pronounced "yawn" just so you know.. us scandinavians and
    > > > our silly names.. )
    > >
    > > Yes yes and all that blah blah blah. My point was, do we HAVE to file
    > > before we get married or can we file AFTER we get married?
    > > If we file after, is that a violation and considered trying to avoid the
    > > immigration process? Because that's not why we're getting married. We
    > > aren't trying to avoid anything. I was told waiting until after is the
    > > easiest way, but now I dont know. Either way we're looking at it, he
    > > will have to go back to Finland, correct? He would have to go back while
    > > they processed his visa but how long would that take, generally
speaking?
    > > I have no idea what's going on. Lost, as usual.
    > >
    > > And YAWN, you forgot the important part in your little list of what to
    > > do. IS THIS CORRECT? If so, what comes next?
    > Oh yes, in my haste and excitement I forgot to say that this is what we
    > have found out so far, and we would like to know if it's the right thing
    > to do :) I'm just as lost.
    > Is there a general FAQ somewhere for this stuff in a simple format?
    > We are reading up on this stuff again elsewhere too, not just leeching
    > stuff off of you guys ;)
    > Jan

Kidd Andersson

Jan Andersson wrote:
    > Sophie T wrote:

    >>Hi,
    >>According to their website:
    >>http://www.usembassy.fi/visas/ivspouse.htm
    >
    >>It appears that you could apply directly at the embassy in Finland. It's
    >>unofficially called DCF (direct consular filing) of the I-130 petition.


I thought I read somewhere that the US no longer allowes DCF? Hmm. I may
be incredibly confused but that's nothing new. :)

    >>This is the petition that is filed after you're married. Then, your fiance
    >>(then spouse) can enter the US as a conditional permanent resident. When
    >>this method is available, it is usually much faster and less hassle.
    >>It means you (the USC) would have to travel to Finland after you're married
    >>and file the petition in person, but then you don't have to stay any longer.

Oh darn. A European vacation. How terrible. (Actually, I just got back
from there yesterday. Wish we had known all this last week!!)
    >>Your fiance would have to stay until the process is completed (4 to 8 weeks
    >>according to their website). Then when he enters, as soon as he gets a
    >>social security number, he's allowed to work. You have nothing else to do
    >>except file for the "conditions" to be removed 2 years minus 90 days after
    >>he enters the US.
    >
    >>Somethings that come to mind:
    >>You might want to get married in Finland and then file--I don't know if it's
    >>hard for a foreigner to marry there--but your fiance probably does.
    >
    >
    > It's not hard I think, but our government also
    > acklnowledges US/Florida marriages. We could do it in either country.
    > I'd still prefer to get married in FL for many reasons.
    >
    >
    >
    >>You might want to have a small civil ceremony here (US) and then file the
    >>paperwork in Finland. Then when he arrives here, have the big wedding in
    >>October, even though you're already officially married....just some
    >>thoughts.
    >>Hope this helps...
    >
    >
    > It does, thank you so much!
    >

If this works out right, so help me I swear I'll name our next daughter
Sophie!! THANK YOU!



This would be such a great alternative. I'm going to keep my fingers
crossed. Until they cramp. Then forget it.

K.

Jan Andersson

"Eric S." wrote:
    >
    > Check out the FAQ at www.visajourney.com. It gives the various methods and
    > steps for each method.

Thankd Eric, I was there earlier today but the site froze and hasn't
opened since. Didn't get to see anything really, but I bookmarked the
site. Seemed interesting.


    > Coming to the US as a visitor, intending to get married and file adjustment
    > of status after marriage is not strictly legal. While it has been done
    > sucessfully by some people, it is frowned upon by people on this forum.
    > Here, we call it the "10 foot pole" issue.

That was never an option, we will not do anything illegal, but instead
we want to do everything by the book.


The (legal) alternatives are as I understand these:

1) get K1 and arrive unmarried, with clear intention to marry within
90 days of arrival as instructed, get married, jump through hoops to get
status adjusted and stuff, leave country again if so required, return
and live happily ever after adjusting status again after 2 years and
whatnot

2) ship my lady back here to Finland, marry here, go visit the local US
Embassy and file another type of papers and get some other type of K
visa, wait for paperwork to clear, then move to US. She could return as
soon as we filed the application at the embassy but I'd have to wait for
the papers to clear and get my visa and schtuff before i could follow
her home.


Right?

Jan