Engagement ring
Sep 27th 2002, 10:43 pm
#46
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Re: Engagement ring
Jim K wrote:
> From recent hands-on (wallet-on) experience I can tell you that import
> duty on a ring (USA into Canada) is 25% (whew!) with a $60 exemption.
> I just proposed 3 weeks ago and decided to declare rather than take
> the chance at the border these days and screwing things up for the
> future.
But, if you file the paperwork, you can import it for up to a year.
Is your engagement more than a year.
> From recent hands-on (wallet-on) experience I can tell you that import
> duty on a ring (USA into Canada) is 25% (whew!) with a $60 exemption.
> I just proposed 3 weeks ago and decided to declare rather than take
> the chance at the border these days and screwing things up for the
> future.
But, if you file the paperwork, you can import it for up to a year.
Is your engagement more than a year.
Sep 28th 2002, 4:47 am
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Re: Engagement ring
Originally posted by Mrs_blackross:
if my husband had spent $3,000.00 on an ring I would have made him take it back! the previous poster is right... spending that kind of money just because the industry tells you to is ridiculous.
if my husband had spent $3,000.00 on an ring I would have made him take it back! the previous poster is right... spending that kind of money just because the industry tells you to is ridiculous.
I regret any offence caused by referring to someone as a cheapskate, it was not fair of me to do that.
However, when people are giving advice in this forum it is right and proper that the relevant value is quoted as though a large diamond ring might be beyond your budget, or preference, many people DO spend $2,000 and up on a ring. Therefore taking a $300 ring across a border may be fine as even if not declared no crime has been committed, compared to a more valuable ring which should be declared.
Sorry again,
Pulaski
Sep 28th 2002, 4:52 am
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Re: Engagement ring
Originally posted by Targaff:
Pulaski wrote in news:426995.1033130904
@britishexpats.com:
For the record - it was a diamond engagement ring. Also for the record, it's irrelevant to the topic at hand because it's not that engagement ring that's being talked about anyway.
Pulaski wrote in news:426995.1033130904
@britishexpats.com:
For the record - it was a diamond engagement ring. Also for the record, it's irrelevant to the topic at hand because it's not that engagement ring that's being talked about anyway.
The fact that it is a diamond ring is indicative of its value, and, if you believe the marketing hype then two-three months salary is a typical value of a diamond engagement ring. It is the value that is relevant not the question of whether, or not, it has a diamond set in it.
Regards,
Pulaski
Sep 28th 2002, 5:06 am
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Re: Engagement ring
Pulaski,
You really have no right to comment on this.
Talking to your wife today, she told me that you only spent
$75 on her engagement ring.
You really have no right to comment on this.
Talking to your wife today, she told me that you only spent
$75 on her engagement ring.
Sep 29th 2002, 3:34 pm
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Re: Engagement ring
It seems that I have caused offense, regarding my above remark to Pulaski.
For this I apologise, it was purely intended as a bit of humour and in hind-sight may have been miss-guided.
I have never spoken to Pulaski or his wife, and so my "joke"
was purely a figment of my imagination.
Once again, I apologise for any offense caused
Roger
For this I apologise, it was purely intended as a bit of humour and in hind-sight may have been miss-guided.
I have never spoken to Pulaski or his wife, and so my "joke"
was purely a figment of my imagination.
Once again, I apologise for any offense caused
Roger
Sep 29th 2002, 6:33 pm
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Re: Engagement ring
In article , Pulaski
writes
>The fact that it is a diamond ring is indicative of its value, and, if
>you believe the marketing hype then two-three months salary is a typical
>value of a diamond engagement ring. It is the value that is relevant
>not the question of whether, or not, it has a diamond set in it.
Two-three months salary? That's a frightening amount of money to be
wearing all day.
--
paul
58-77 Sheffield 77-79 Coventry 79-88 Sheffield 88-97 Milton Keynes
97-99 London 99-00 Seattle 00-?? Fremont
writes
>The fact that it is a diamond ring is indicative of its value, and, if
>you believe the marketing hype then two-three months salary is a typical
>value of a diamond engagement ring. It is the value that is relevant
>not the question of whether, or not, it has a diamond set in it.
Two-three months salary? That's a frightening amount of money to be
wearing all day.
--
paul
58-77 Sheffield 77-79 Coventry 79-88 Sheffield 88-97 Milton Keynes
97-99 London 99-00 Seattle 00-?? Fremont
Sep 29th 2002, 7:12 pm
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Re: Engagement ring
Originally posted by Paul:
Two-three months salary? That's a frightening amount of money to be wearing all day.
Two-three months salary? That's a frightening amount of money to be wearing all day.
I am not saying I agree with it, and yes I agree that it is a lot of money and more than many can afford to spend, but the conventional marketing line for diamond engagement rings is that around two months salary is an appropriate budget.
I am not endorsing this, make up your own mind on a budget if you are buying a ring, and don't spend more than you can afford, but that is what the diamond industry pushes. That's the way it is, don't blame me!
For example:
http://www.romandeleon.com/learn.cfm (para 3)
http://www.bigskybrides.com/diamonds.howmuch.htm (para 1)
http://www.weddingchannel.com/cgi-bi...icle_1429.html (para 4)
http://www.internationaljewelers.com/guide.html (para 8)
Sep 30th 2002, 11:12 am
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Re: Engagement ring
You should have used the common symbols to denote you were joking - e.g.
. At least that way if the person who is the target of the joke doesn't
think it's amusing, at least it has been denoted as a joke all along.
Of course, if we were all Brits we could just carry on like this all day ...
when Grinch posted here more regularly it was a fairly common occurrence.
Andy.
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"rogerpenycate" wrote in message
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> Pulaski,
> You really have no right to comment on this.
> Talking to your wife today, she told me that you only spent
> $75 on her engagement ring.
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
. At least that way if the person who is the target of the joke doesn'tthink it's amusing, at least it has been denoted as a joke all along.
Of course, if we were all Brits we could just carry on like this all day ...
when Grinch posted here more regularly it was a fairly common occurrence.
Andy.
--
I'm not really here - it's just your warped imagination.
"rogerpenycate" wrote in message
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> Pulaski,
> You really have no right to comment on this.
> Talking to your wife today, she told me that you only spent
> $75 on her engagement ring.
> --
> Posted via http://britishexpats.com
Sep 30th 2002, 1:37 pm
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Re: Engagement ring
Pulaski wrote in news:427604.1033188760
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> The fact that it is a diamond ring is indicative of its value, and, if
> you believe the marketing hype then two-three months salary is a typical
> value of a diamond engagement ring.
And if you believe the marketing hype, clearly you need to start living in
the real world rather than cloud corporate land.
Personally I prefer the personal opinion of an independent acquaintance
whose entire family works in the dimaond business, but you know, that's me
going out on a limb a bit...
--
Targaff
@britishexpats.com:
> The fact that it is a diamond ring is indicative of its value, and, if
> you believe the marketing hype then two-three months salary is a typical
> value of a diamond engagement ring.
And if you believe the marketing hype, clearly you need to start living in
the real world rather than cloud corporate land.
Personally I prefer the personal opinion of an independent acquaintance
whose entire family works in the dimaond business, but you know, that's me
going out on a limb a bit...
--
Targaff
Sep 30th 2002, 2:46 pm
#55
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Re: Engagement ring
I've seen so many postings on this subject I was going to bypass it
and not make a comment but.....well here I am.
While I somewhat agree that the jewellery industry is to blame for
those wanting expensive extravagant engagement rings, I feel they are
not totally to blame. I blame a lot of it on the women themselves.
Case in point: I worked with a woman in my previous job who insisted
that her fiance purchase an engagement ring worth about $8,000. Never
mind the fact that they didn't have a pot to piss in or were heavy in
debt with credit card payments. So, the fool he was, went and
purchased one on credit for her. She also had to have the somewhat
lavish wedding ceremony too, expected the parents to pay for it which
never happened, therefore more on credit. She felt that if he didn't
do this for her, he truly did not care for her. I've seen many
instances of this. Another woman in my former job also sported a huge
diamond engagement ring. The kicker on this is that she's been
engaged to the guy for over 7 years now and refuses to marry him.
When my then fiance and I went to look at my engagement ring, I told
him to pick one out for me as it would mean more to me and that he was
not to spend a lot of money on it. It did not matter what it looked
like and I promised him I would love it. He told me, "oh no, I'll
never do that again". I asked him what he meant. He then said that
he did that with his ex-wife when they were getting engaged, she was
so angry with him that she told him to take it back and that they
would both go and pick one out. Apparently the ring was not good
enough for her - the diamond was not big enough. However in the end
because he was not making the big bucks back then she ended up having
to settle for something without a huge rock in it because he refused
to go into huge debt.
I've always said a ring does not make the marriage and a wedding is a
one day event, a marriage is a lifetime. Personally I would rather
see all that money go towards household furnishings or something more
useful.
Just my opinion!!!!
"Mrs_Blackross" wrote in message news:...
> if my husband had spent $3,000.00 on an ring I would have made him take it
> back! the previous poster is right...spending that kind of money just
> because the industry tells you to is ridiculous.
> my husband brought my engagement ring to Canada from the US without
> declaring it at the border for two reasons: 1. it never even occured to him
> to declare it, 2. we were both in the car and it was a surprise he had
> planned for after we got back to my place in Canada, and 3. I seriously
> doubt it was more than the allotted exemption anyways.
> and for the record, its not the price tag on the ring that is important,
> it's the thought behind it. Anyone who thinks a person is a cheapskate for
> not spending the three months salary recommended by the jewelry industry is
> a very shallow and materialistic person.
> "Pulaski" wrote in message
> news:426995.1033130904@britishexpa-
> ts.com ...
> >
> > Originally posted by Sioneva:
> > > Pulaski,
> > >
> > > Sorry to have to break this to you, but some of us are students
> > > without permanent jobs who can't afford to put ourselves into massive
> > > amounts of debt for what is essentially the product of the wedding
> > > industry and De Beers' price inflation techniques, not to mention
> > > abusive to workers within the industry itself.
> >
> > OK Heidi, fair comment, but rightly or wrongly, if you say "engagement
> > ring" it typically means diamond engagement ring.
> >
> > As is all too common on internet message boards the advice and comments
> > are not always helpful as people don't always say exactly what they
> > (think) mean.
> >
> > I assumed an engagement ring was a diamond ring, and that you thought
> > that it was OK to bring in upto a, say, $3,000 ring to the US with out
> > declaring it. It isn't fair to give people that impression if you are
> > talking about $12 rings, as some people are here.
> >
> > --
> > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
> >
and not make a comment but.....well here I am.
While I somewhat agree that the jewellery industry is to blame for
those wanting expensive extravagant engagement rings, I feel they are
not totally to blame. I blame a lot of it on the women themselves.
Case in point: I worked with a woman in my previous job who insisted
that her fiance purchase an engagement ring worth about $8,000. Never
mind the fact that they didn't have a pot to piss in or were heavy in
debt with credit card payments. So, the fool he was, went and
purchased one on credit for her. She also had to have the somewhat
lavish wedding ceremony too, expected the parents to pay for it which
never happened, therefore more on credit. She felt that if he didn't
do this for her, he truly did not care for her. I've seen many
instances of this. Another woman in my former job also sported a huge
diamond engagement ring. The kicker on this is that she's been
engaged to the guy for over 7 years now and refuses to marry him.
When my then fiance and I went to look at my engagement ring, I told
him to pick one out for me as it would mean more to me and that he was
not to spend a lot of money on it. It did not matter what it looked
like and I promised him I would love it. He told me, "oh no, I'll
never do that again". I asked him what he meant. He then said that
he did that with his ex-wife when they were getting engaged, she was
so angry with him that she told him to take it back and that they
would both go and pick one out. Apparently the ring was not good
enough for her - the diamond was not big enough. However in the end
because he was not making the big bucks back then she ended up having
to settle for something without a huge rock in it because he refused
to go into huge debt.
I've always said a ring does not make the marriage and a wedding is a
one day event, a marriage is a lifetime. Personally I would rather
see all that money go towards household furnishings or something more
useful.
Just my opinion!!!!
"Mrs_Blackross" wrote in message news:...
> if my husband had spent $3,000.00 on an ring I would have made him take it
> back! the previous poster is right...spending that kind of money just
> because the industry tells you to is ridiculous.
> my husband brought my engagement ring to Canada from the US without
> declaring it at the border for two reasons: 1. it never even occured to him
> to declare it, 2. we were both in the car and it was a surprise he had
> planned for after we got back to my place in Canada, and 3. I seriously
> doubt it was more than the allotted exemption anyways.
> and for the record, its not the price tag on the ring that is important,
> it's the thought behind it. Anyone who thinks a person is a cheapskate for
> not spending the three months salary recommended by the jewelry industry is
> a very shallow and materialistic person.
> "Pulaski" wrote in message
> news:426995.1033130904@britishexpa-
> ts.com ...
> >
> > Originally posted by Sioneva:
> > > Pulaski,
> > >
> > > Sorry to have to break this to you, but some of us are students
> > > without permanent jobs who can't afford to put ourselves into massive
> > > amounts of debt for what is essentially the product of the wedding
> > > industry and De Beers' price inflation techniques, not to mention
> > > abusive to workers within the industry itself.
> >
> > OK Heidi, fair comment, but rightly or wrongly, if you say "engagement
> > ring" it typically means diamond engagement ring.
> >
> > As is all too common on internet message boards the advice and comments
> > are not always helpful as people don't always say exactly what they
> > (think) mean.
> >
> > I assumed an engagement ring was a diamond ring, and that you thought
> > that it was OK to bring in upto a, say, $3,000 ring to the US with out
> > declaring it. It isn't fair to give people that impression if you are
> > talking about $12 rings, as some people are here.
> >
> > --
> > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
> >
Oct 1st 2002, 12:20 am
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Re: Engagement ring
On 30 Sep 2002 13:37:09 GMT, Targaff wrote:
Couples need to be real on what they can and can't afford (or what
they are willing to spend a ring) and also on what they like.
When we were faced with this I didn't want to spend a ton of money
especially at this time when we were faced with INS expenses, I was in
school and he would have moving expenses.
I also must admit I do like diamonds. I had bought myself a ring years
ago with a 1.5 carat marque diamond and I loved that stone, so I asked
David if he would like to just have it remounted instead of buying
new diamond. He said whatever made me happy he would do.
It was a perfect solution, we found matching bands and had the stone
mounted in the new setting. The cost ended up being $650 for both our
rings (which appraise for a whole lot more). I often get asked if mine
is an antique because the look is so different.
My daughter says she wants to have a black peral for her engagement
ring (see not all women like diamonds). I have many girlfriends who
won't wear more than a band.
The ring does not measure the love a person has for another, if that
were the case women would have to buy men expensive rings to show
their love?
Karryl
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure
about the former."
-- - Albert Einstein
Couples need to be real on what they can and can't afford (or what
they are willing to spend a ring) and also on what they like.
When we were faced with this I didn't want to spend a ton of money
especially at this time when we were faced with INS expenses, I was in
school and he would have moving expenses.
I also must admit I do like diamonds. I had bought myself a ring years
ago with a 1.5 carat marque diamond and I loved that stone, so I asked
David if he would like to just have it remounted instead of buying
new diamond. He said whatever made me happy he would do.
It was a perfect solution, we found matching bands and had the stone
mounted in the new setting. The cost ended up being $650 for both our
rings (which appraise for a whole lot more). I often get asked if mine
is an antique because the look is so different.
My daughter says she wants to have a black peral for her engagement
ring (see not all women like diamonds). I have many girlfriends who
won't wear more than a band.
The ring does not measure the love a person has for another, if that
were the case women would have to buy men expensive rings to show
their love?
Karryl
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure
about the former."
-- - Albert Einstein
Oct 1st 2002, 8:17 am
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soft wrote in
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> My daughter says she wants to have a black peral for her engagement
> ring (see not all women like diamonds). I have many girlfriends who
> won't wear more than a band.
My fiancee was pretty set on not having a diamond ring, so we spent most of
the time looking at rubies and sapphires. Then she saw a diamond ring she
really loved next to one of the sapphire rings we were looking at, so we
got that instead ;p
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Targaff
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> My daughter says she wants to have a black peral for her engagement
> ring (see not all women like diamonds). I have many girlfriends who
> won't wear more than a band.
My fiancee was pretty set on not having a diamond ring, so we spent most of
the time looking at rubies and sapphires. Then she saw a diamond ring she
really loved next to one of the sapphire rings we were looking at, so we
got that instead ;p
--
Targaff
Oct 6th 2002, 10:44 am
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How true.
My Fiancee Said she didnt want a diamond and she had seen a ring at Ziamond
which really took her fancy. It was also on offer too. The smallest size
they did was a US size 4, she needed a 3-3.5 I ordered it and she bought it
over with her to the UK when she visited me.
We took it into several reputable shops over here to get quotes to have it
resized.. NON of them could tell the difference between it and a real
diamond without resorting to the tools. The favorite question and answer
sequence was "is it real?" to which she answered, " Yes, its real" which
wasnt a lie cos they didnt qualify the question :-) Its physicall there..
therefore its real not unreal. heheheh
Its a 1ct CZ and Ziamond are good to deal with.
I just got her the matching earings for her birthday, our 1st meeting
aniversary and for the big day. Her mom thought they too were diamond and
was quite upset at the thought that I had spend a huge amount on them when
we needed to save.. We had to come clean to keep the peace :-)
Needless to say, Mom is sworn to secrecy under pain of torture.. :-)
Yes Diamonds are nice, but with clever answers, there is no reason at all
for anyone else to know that a CZ is on a girls finger if thats what she
chooses to wear.. I certainly have no problems with her choises.. :-)
Dont get me wrong. If I could afford Diamonds, I woud willingly .
Pete
"soft" wrote in message
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> On 30 Sep 2002 13:37:09 GMT, Targaff wrote:
> Couples need to be real on what they can and can't afford (or what
> they are willing to spend a ring) and also on what they like.
> When we were faced with this I didn't want to spend a ton of money
> especially at this time when we were faced with INS expenses, I was in
> school and he would have moving expenses.
> I also must admit I do like diamonds. I had bought myself a ring years
> ago with a 1.5 carat marque diamond and I loved that stone, so I asked
> David if he would like to just have it remounted instead of buying
> new diamond. He said whatever made me happy he would do.
> It was a perfect solution, we found matching bands and had the stone
> mounted in the new setting. The cost ended up being $650 for both our
> rings (which appraise for a whole lot more). I often get asked if mine
> is an antique because the look is so different.
> My daughter says she wants to have a black peral for her engagement
> ring (see not all women like diamonds). I have many girlfriends who
> won't wear more than a band.
> The ring does not measure the love a person has for another, if that
> were the case women would have to buy men expensive rings to show
> their love?
> Karryl
> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm
not sure about the former."
> -- - Albert Einstein
My Fiancee Said she didnt want a diamond and she had seen a ring at Ziamond
which really took her fancy. It was also on offer too. The smallest size
they did was a US size 4, she needed a 3-3.5 I ordered it and she bought it
over with her to the UK when she visited me.
We took it into several reputable shops over here to get quotes to have it
resized.. NON of them could tell the difference between it and a real
diamond without resorting to the tools. The favorite question and answer
sequence was "is it real?" to which she answered, " Yes, its real" which
wasnt a lie cos they didnt qualify the question :-) Its physicall there..
therefore its real not unreal. heheheh
Its a 1ct CZ and Ziamond are good to deal with.
I just got her the matching earings for her birthday, our 1st meeting
aniversary and for the big day. Her mom thought they too were diamond and
was quite upset at the thought that I had spend a huge amount on them when
we needed to save.. We had to come clean to keep the peace :-)
Needless to say, Mom is sworn to secrecy under pain of torture.. :-)
Yes Diamonds are nice, but with clever answers, there is no reason at all
for anyone else to know that a CZ is on a girls finger if thats what she
chooses to wear.. I certainly have no problems with her choises.. :-)
Dont get me wrong. If I could afford Diamonds, I woud willingly .
Pete
"soft" wrote in message
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> On 30 Sep 2002 13:37:09 GMT, Targaff wrote:
> Couples need to be real on what they can and can't afford (or what
> they are willing to spend a ring) and also on what they like.
> When we were faced with this I didn't want to spend a ton of money
> especially at this time when we were faced with INS expenses, I was in
> school and he would have moving expenses.
> I also must admit I do like diamonds. I had bought myself a ring years
> ago with a 1.5 carat marque diamond and I loved that stone, so I asked
> David if he would like to just have it remounted instead of buying
> new diamond. He said whatever made me happy he would do.
> It was a perfect solution, we found matching bands and had the stone
> mounted in the new setting. The cost ended up being $650 for both our
> rings (which appraise for a whole lot more). I often get asked if mine
> is an antique because the look is so different.
> My daughter says she wants to have a black peral for her engagement
> ring (see not all women like diamonds). I have many girlfriends who
> won't wear more than a band.
> The ring does not measure the love a person has for another, if that
> were the case women would have to buy men expensive rings to show
> their love?
> Karryl
> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm
not sure about the former."
> -- - Albert Einstein
Oct 15th 2002, 7:42 pm
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Sean wrote:
> I got *taken* to Tiffanys by my baby to help choose her engagement ring, now
> unlike in England these places do not display the prices on their rings, she
> selected three that she liked one we discovered was about $20.000 one was
> $50.000 but the one she really liked was only $2000!... Just when I thought
> I couldn't love her anymore than I did... :-)
Seriously.. Without the price displayed, it shouldn't be difficult
deciding whether the $2000 or the $50000 ring is more expensive. Unless
Tiffanys was having a sale, you still paid too much for the $2000 ring
As I recall, Tiffanys in London doesn't display their prices either.
> I got *taken* to Tiffanys by my baby to help choose her engagement ring, now
> unlike in England these places do not display the prices on their rings, she
> selected three that she liked one we discovered was about $20.000 one was
> $50.000 but the one she really liked was only $2000!... Just when I thought
> I couldn't love her anymore than I did... :-)
Seriously.. Without the price displayed, it shouldn't be difficult
deciding whether the $2000 or the $50000 ring is more expensive. Unless
Tiffanys was having a sale, you still paid too much for the $2000 ring
As I recall, Tiffanys in London doesn't display their prices either.
Oct 15th 2002, 8:06 pm
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"Targaff" wrote in message
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> soft wrote in
> news:rmphpugb8cur3qvq7vg1m-
> [email protected]:
> > My daughter says she wants to have a black peral for her engagement
> > ring (see not all women like diamonds). I have many girlfriends who
> > won't wear more than a band.
> My fiancee was pretty set on not having a diamond ring, so we spent most
of
> the time looking at rubies and sapphires. Then she saw a diamond ring she
> really loved next to one of the sapphire rings we were looking at, so we
> got that instead ;p
> --
> Targaff
I got *taken* to Tiffanys by my baby to help choose her engagement ring, now
unlike in England these places do not display the prices on their rings, she
selected three that she liked one we discovered was about $20.000 one was
$50.000 but the one she really liked was only $2000!... Just when I thought
I couldn't love her anymore than I did... :-)
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> soft wrote in
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> > My daughter says she wants to have a black peral for her engagement
> > ring (see not all women like diamonds). I have many girlfriends who
> > won't wear more than a band.
> My fiancee was pretty set on not having a diamond ring, so we spent most
of
> the time looking at rubies and sapphires. Then she saw a diamond ring she
> really loved next to one of the sapphire rings we were looking at, so we
> got that instead ;p
> --
> Targaff
I got *taken* to Tiffanys by my baby to help choose her engagement ring, now
unlike in England these places do not display the prices on their rings, she
selected three that she liked one we discovered was about $20.000 one was
$50.000 but the one she really liked was only $2000!... Just when I thought
I couldn't love her anymore than I did... :-)