Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
Apr 3rd 2007, 10:45 pm
#1
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Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
I invited a K-1 in 2000, she arrived June 2001, we married September
2001, she staged a tremendous provocation, I grabbed my keys, got in
my car, went to a motel, next day got a lawyer, got a kick-out order
and a restraining order, kicked her out, she ran to local women's
shelter, made friends with social workers, I filed and got divorced
from her in 2002. Never filed an AOS on her behalf.
A new K-1 said she accidentally opened brown envelop sent to her by
embassy and saw the first K-1's passport picture in with the
caption: "Xxxx Received LPR status 2004." I am shocked, baffled and
confused for months now. New K-1 says maybe first K-1 got married
quickly after divorce and then new husband filed and first K-1 got LPR
in 2004 and that's how it happened.
My lawyer says only way first K-1 can get LPR if I never filed AOS,
and marriage lasted weeks, and she moved out never to be seen again
(at least by me) is through "...filing as a battered spouse, but in
order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know that
was not the case."
Let's say second K-1 is telling the truth and fully understands what
she saw and read,
So how? How else, other than the batter thing, can first K-1, who got
married, then was kicked out get LPR?
My preference answer from anyone is a list like this, listing her
options, so there is no mistake of me misunderstanding for example,:
1. [She could do this]
2. [She could do that]
3. [She could do this other thing]
4. [...]
All I am desiring is to put this whole thing to rest in my mind. So
any imaginary guessing would be fine too.
2001, she staged a tremendous provocation, I grabbed my keys, got in
my car, went to a motel, next day got a lawyer, got a kick-out order
and a restraining order, kicked her out, she ran to local women's
shelter, made friends with social workers, I filed and got divorced
from her in 2002. Never filed an AOS on her behalf.
A new K-1 said she accidentally opened brown envelop sent to her by
embassy and saw the first K-1's passport picture in with the
caption: "Xxxx Received LPR status 2004." I am shocked, baffled and
confused for months now. New K-1 says maybe first K-1 got married
quickly after divorce and then new husband filed and first K-1 got LPR
in 2004 and that's how it happened.
My lawyer says only way first K-1 can get LPR if I never filed AOS,
and marriage lasted weeks, and she moved out never to be seen again
(at least by me) is through "...filing as a battered spouse, but in
order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know that
was not the case."
Let's say second K-1 is telling the truth and fully understands what
she saw and read,
So how? How else, other than the batter thing, can first K-1, who got
married, then was kicked out get LPR?
My preference answer from anyone is a list like this, listing her
options, so there is no mistake of me misunderstanding for example,:
1. [She could do this]
2. [She could do that]
3. [She could do this other thing]
4. [...]
All I am desiring is to put this whole thing to rest in my mind. So
any imaginary guessing would be fine too.
Apr 4th 2007, 2:51 am
#2
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Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 58,679
Re: Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
1. Maybe the first K-1 left the country right away and returned under a new K-1 with someone else.
2. Maybe first K-1 stayed in the USA after you got divorced, then met someone else and remarried in the USA and filed AOS.
I do have a couple of quesitons...
1. Why did the second K-1 open the brown envelope?
2. Why does it matter anymore to you how the first K-1 became LPR? She's out of your life now, and you have a new K-1.
Best Wishes,
Rene
2. Maybe first K-1 stayed in the USA after you got divorced, then met someone else and remarried in the USA and filed AOS.
I do have a couple of quesitons...
1. Why did the second K-1 open the brown envelope?
2. Why does it matter anymore to you how the first K-1 became LPR? She's out of your life now, and you have a new K-1.
Best Wishes,
Rene
Apr 4th 2007, 2:09 pm
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Location: Kentucky
Posts: 38,865
Re: Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
New K-1 says maybe first K-1 got married quickly after divorce and then new husband filed and first K-1 got LPR in 2004 and that's how it happened.
My lawyer says only way first K-1 can get LPR...
How else, other than the batter thing, can first K-1, who got married, then was kicked out get LPR?
All I am desiring is to put this whole thing to rest in my mind.
Ian
Apr 4th 2007, 7:17 pm
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Re: Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
On Apr 4, 8:09 am, ian-mstm <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I invited a K-1 in 2000, she arrived June 2001, we married September
> > 2001, she staged a tremendous provocation, I grabbed my keys, got in
> > my car, went to a motel, next day got a lawyer, got a kick-out order
> > and a restraining order, kicked her out, she ran to local women's
> > shelter, made friends with social workers, I filed and got divorced
> > from her in 2002. Never filed an AOS on her behalf.
>
> > A new K-1 said she accidentally opened brown envelop sent to her by
> > embassy and saw the first K-1's passport picture in with the
> > caption: "Xxxx Received LPR status 2004." I am shocked, baffled and
> > confused for months now. New K-1 says maybe first K-1 got married
> > quickly after divorce and then new husband filed and first K-1 got LPR
> > in 2004 and that's how it happened.
>
> > My lawyer says only way first K-1 can get LPR if I never filed AOS,
> > and marriage lasted weeks, and she moved out never to be seen again
> > (at least by me) is through "...filing as a battered spouse, but in
> > order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
> > battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know that
> > was not the case."
>
> > Let's say second K-1 is telling the truth and fully understands what
> > she saw and read,
>
> > So how? How else, other than the batter thing, can first K-1, who got
> > married, then was kicked out get LPR?
>
> > My preference answer from anyone is a list like this, listing her
> > options, so there is no mistake of me misunderstanding for example,:
>
> > 1. [She could do this]
> > 2. [She could do that]
> > 3. [She could do this other thing]
> > 4. [...]
>
> > All I am desiring is to put this whole thing to rest in my mind. So
> > any imaginary guessing would be fine too.
>
> Nobody "accidentally" opens the brown envelope.
>
> This is an entirely plausible set of circumstances.
>
> The lawyer is wrong... since, obviously, this isn't the "only way".
>
> You're assuming she was "kicked out". That might never have happened.
>
> Why do you even care? It's her problem... not yours.
>
> Ian
>
> --
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>
> - Show quoted text -
> Nobody "accidentally" opens the brown envelope.
agreed. embassy warned new K-1 don't do it again.
> The lawyer is wrong... since, obviously, this isn't the "only way".
True. From an answer on another site, the first K-1 would either
1. have to file abuse charges or
2. find another, get married, travel back to home country, and come
back via the consulate or
3. have another family relationship here.
> You're assuming she was "kicked out". That might never have happened.
No. I kicked her out of the house - that is why she ran to social
workers and a women's shelter.
> Why do you even care? It's her problem... not yours.
Why does anyone care or are inquisitive about anything or anyone or
this site and the peoblems people have - its theri problem not
anyones, etc.? You mis read my problem. My problem is I wonder and
want some rational response based on statutes/laws or plain
experiences anyone might have to answer my questions, for example,
what could have happened to her to get US LPR - wanna guess?
Especially, when the second K-1 said the first K-1 (who I divorced)
got U.S. LPR.
> > I invited a K-1 in 2000, she arrived June 2001, we married September
> > 2001, she staged a tremendous provocation, I grabbed my keys, got in
> > my car, went to a motel, next day got a lawyer, got a kick-out order
> > and a restraining order, kicked her out, she ran to local women's
> > shelter, made friends with social workers, I filed and got divorced
> > from her in 2002. Never filed an AOS on her behalf.
>
> > A new K-1 said she accidentally opened brown envelop sent to her by
> > embassy and saw the first K-1's passport picture in with the
> > caption: "Xxxx Received LPR status 2004." I am shocked, baffled and
> > confused for months now. New K-1 says maybe first K-1 got married
> > quickly after divorce and then new husband filed and first K-1 got LPR
> > in 2004 and that's how it happened.
>
> > My lawyer says only way first K-1 can get LPR if I never filed AOS,
> > and marriage lasted weeks, and she moved out never to be seen again
> > (at least by me) is through "...filing as a battered spouse, but in
> > order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
> > battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know that
> > was not the case."
>
> > Let's say second K-1 is telling the truth and fully understands what
> > she saw and read,
>
> > So how? How else, other than the batter thing, can first K-1, who got
> > married, then was kicked out get LPR?
>
> > My preference answer from anyone is a list like this, listing her
> > options, so there is no mistake of me misunderstanding for example,:
>
> > 1. [She could do this]
> > 2. [She could do that]
> > 3. [She could do this other thing]
> > 4. [...]
>
> > All I am desiring is to put this whole thing to rest in my mind. So
> > any imaginary guessing would be fine too.
>
> Nobody "accidentally" opens the brown envelope.
>
> This is an entirely plausible set of circumstances.
>
> The lawyer is wrong... since, obviously, this isn't the "only way".
>
> You're assuming she was "kicked out". That might never have happened.
>
> Why do you even care? It's her problem... not yours.
>
> Ian
>
> --
> Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Nobody "accidentally" opens the brown envelope.
agreed. embassy warned new K-1 don't do it again.
> The lawyer is wrong... since, obviously, this isn't the "only way".
True. From an answer on another site, the first K-1 would either
1. have to file abuse charges or
2. find another, get married, travel back to home country, and come
back via the consulate or
3. have another family relationship here.
> You're assuming she was "kicked out". That might never have happened.
No. I kicked her out of the house - that is why she ran to social
workers and a women's shelter.
> Why do you even care? It's her problem... not yours.
Why does anyone care or are inquisitive about anything or anyone or
this site and the peoblems people have - its theri problem not
anyones, etc.? You mis read my problem. My problem is I wonder and
want some rational response based on statutes/laws or plain
experiences anyone might have to answer my questions, for example,
what could have happened to her to get US LPR - wanna guess?
Especially, when the second K-1 said the first K-1 (who I divorced)
got U.S. LPR.
Apr 4th 2007, 7:27 pm
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Re: Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
On Apr 3, 8:51 pm, Noorah101 <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > I invited a K-1 in 2000, she arrived June 2001, we married September
> > 2001, she staged a tremendous provocation, I grabbed my keys, got in
> > my car, went to a motel, next day got a lawyer, got a kick-out order
> > and a restraining order, kicked her out, she ran to local women's
> > shelter, made friends with social workers, I filed and got divorced
> > from her in 2002. Never filed an AOS on her behalf.
>
> > A new K-1 said she accidentally opened brown envelop sent to her by
> > embassy and saw the first K-1's passport picture in with the
> > caption: "Xxxx Received LPR status 2004." I am shocked, baffled and
> > confused for months now. New K-1 says maybe first K-1 got married
> > quickly after divorce and then new husband filed and first K-1 got LPR
> > in 2004 and that's how it happened.
>
> > My lawyer says only way first K-1 can get LPR if I never filed AOS,
> > and marriage lasted weeks, and she moved out never to be seen again
> > (at least by me) is through "...filing as a battered spouse, but in
> > order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
> > battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know that
> > was not the case."
>
> > Let's say second K-1 is telling the truth and fully understands what
> > she saw and read,
>
> > So how? How else, other than the batter thing, can first K-1, who got
> > married, then was kicked out get LPR?
>
> > My preference answer from anyone is a list like this, listing her
> > options, so there is no mistake of me misunderstanding for example,:
>
> > 1. [She could do this]
> > 2. [She could do that]
> > 3. [She could do this other thing]
> > 4. [...]
>
> > All I am desiring is to put this whole thing to rest in my mind. So
> > any imaginary guessing would be fine too.
>
> 1. Maybe the first K-1 left the country right away and returned under a
> new K-1 with someone else.
>
> 2. Maybe first K-1 stayed in the USA after you got divorced, then met
> someone else and remarried in the USA and filed AOS.
>
> I do have a couple of quesitons...
>
> 3. Why did the second K-1 open the brown envelope?
>
> 4. Why does it matter anymore to you how the first K-1 became LPR?
> She's out of your life now, and you have a new K-1.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Rene
>
> --
> Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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> 2. Maybe first K-1 stayed in the USA after you got divorced, then met
> someone else and remarried in the USA and filed AOS.
This is not possible. From what I understand, first K-1 can marry
again, but would have to leave US and return via the US consulate.
> 3. Why did the second K-1 open the brown envelope?
Probably suspicion of some sorts. What bothered me is that second K-1
never made copies of contents to now prove to me her claim.
> 4. Why does it matter anymore to you how the first K-1 became LPR?
> She's out of your life now, and you have a new K-1.
True. What was so neatly tucked away in my mind and forgotten was re-
ignited by second K-1's claim first K-1 got US LPR in the same amount
of time, as if, she was married to me. How? was/is my question. What
are the possible legal ways I wonder/ed. Baffled, I came to this web-
site seeking any palusible rational explanation based on experience/
USCIS laws/Statues.
wrote:
> > I invited a K-1 in 2000, she arrived June 2001, we married September
> > 2001, she staged a tremendous provocation, I grabbed my keys, got in
> > my car, went to a motel, next day got a lawyer, got a kick-out order
> > and a restraining order, kicked her out, she ran to local women's
> > shelter, made friends with social workers, I filed and got divorced
> > from her in 2002. Never filed an AOS on her behalf.
>
> > A new K-1 said she accidentally opened brown envelop sent to her by
> > embassy and saw the first K-1's passport picture in with the
> > caption: "Xxxx Received LPR status 2004." I am shocked, baffled and
> > confused for months now. New K-1 says maybe first K-1 got married
> > quickly after divorce and then new husband filed and first K-1 got LPR
> > in 2004 and that's how it happened.
>
> > My lawyer says only way first K-1 can get LPR if I never filed AOS,
> > and marriage lasted weeks, and she moved out never to be seen again
> > (at least by me) is through "...filing as a battered spouse, but in
> > order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
> > battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know that
> > was not the case."
>
> > Let's say second K-1 is telling the truth and fully understands what
> > she saw and read,
>
> > So how? How else, other than the batter thing, can first K-1, who got
> > married, then was kicked out get LPR?
>
> > My preference answer from anyone is a list like this, listing her
> > options, so there is no mistake of me misunderstanding for example,:
>
> > 1. [She could do this]
> > 2. [She could do that]
> > 3. [She could do this other thing]
> > 4. [...]
>
> > All I am desiring is to put this whole thing to rest in my mind. So
> > any imaginary guessing would be fine too.
>
> 1. Maybe the first K-1 left the country right away and returned under a
> new K-1 with someone else.
>
> 2. Maybe first K-1 stayed in the USA after you got divorced, then met
> someone else and remarried in the USA and filed AOS.
>
> I do have a couple of quesitons...
>
> 3. Why did the second K-1 open the brown envelope?
>
> 4. Why does it matter anymore to you how the first K-1 became LPR?
> She's out of your life now, and you have a new K-1.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Rene
>
> --
> Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
========================
> 2. Maybe first K-1 stayed in the USA after you got divorced, then met
> someone else and remarried in the USA and filed AOS.
This is not possible. From what I understand, first K-1 can marry
again, but would have to leave US and return via the US consulate.
> 3. Why did the second K-1 open the brown envelope?
Probably suspicion of some sorts. What bothered me is that second K-1
never made copies of contents to now prove to me her claim.
> 4. Why does it matter anymore to you how the first K-1 became LPR?
> She's out of your life now, and you have a new K-1.
True. What was so neatly tucked away in my mind and forgotten was re-
ignited by second K-1's claim first K-1 got US LPR in the same amount
of time, as if, she was married to me. How? was/is my question. What
are the possible legal ways I wonder/ed. Baffled, I came to this web-
site seeking any palusible rational explanation based on experience/
USCIS laws/Statues.
Apr 4th 2007, 10:49 pm
#6
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Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 46,405
Re: Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
Why does anyone care or are inquisitive about anything or anyone or
this site and the peoblems people have - its theri problem not
anyones, etc.? You mis read my problem. My problem is I wonder and
want some rational response based on statutes/laws or plain
experiences anyone might have to answer my questions, for example,
what could have happened to her to get US LPR - wanna guess?
Especially, when the second K-1 said the first K-1 (who I divorced)
got U.S. LPR.
this site and the peoblems people have - its theri problem not
anyones, etc.? You mis read my problem. My problem is I wonder and
want some rational response based on statutes/laws or plain
experiences anyone might have to answer my questions, for example,
what could have happened to her to get US LPR - wanna guess?
Especially, when the second K-1 said the first K-1 (who I divorced)
got U.S. LPR.
I know there is a law in place that states if a USC has a history of abusive behavior in a relationship that the foreign fiancee/spouse is to be told of such behavior/history. So was your second K-1 fiancee verbally told of this when she went for her interview?
As for your first wife, yes, she could have applied under the VAWA for a green card without official documentation from police, etc. Not difficult to have friends write letters attesting to your verbal and abusive behavior towards her while in their presence. Not difficult for foreign family members to do the same for her. If she's a good actress not difficult to fool a psycologist <sp> of her phobias due to your abuse.
Apr 4th 2007, 10:55 pm
#7
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Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 46,405
Re: Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
Probably suspicion of some sorts. What bothered me is that second K-1
never made copies of contents to now prove to me her claim.
never made copies of contents to now prove to me her claim.
True. What was so neatly tucked away in my mind and forgotten was re-
ignited by second K-1's claim first K-1 got US LPR in the same amount
of time, as if, she was married to me. How? was/is my question. What
are the possible legal ways I wonder/ed. Baffled, I came to this web-
site seeking any palusible rational explanation based on experience/
USCIS laws/Statues.
ignited by second K-1's claim first K-1 got US LPR in the same amount
of time, as if, she was married to me. How? was/is my question. What
are the possible legal ways I wonder/ed. Baffled, I came to this web-
site seeking any palusible rational explanation based on experience/
USCIS laws/Statues.
1. Marriage to another USC. Need only to live in a state where adjudication is quicker than in your state.
2. GC under VAWA
Apr 4th 2007, 11:49 pm
#8
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Joined: Apr 2003
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 58,679
Re: Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
Rene
Apr 5th 2007, 8:36 pm
#11
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Re: Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
On Apr 4, 4:49 pm, Rete <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Apr 4, 8:09 am, ian-mstm <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > I invited a K-1 in 2000, she arrived June 2001, we married
> > > > September
> > > > 2001, she staged a tremendous provocation, I grabbed my keys, got
> > > > in
> > > > my car, went to a motel, next day got a lawyer, got a kick-out
> > > > order
> > > > and a restraining order, kicked her out, she ran to local women's
> > > > shelter, made friends with social workers, I filed and got
> > > > divorced
> > > > from her in 2002. Never filed an AOS on her behalf.
>
> > > > A new K-1 said she accidentally opened brown envelop sent to her
> > > > by
> > > > embassy and saw the first K-1's passport picture in with the
> > > > caption: "Xxxx Received LPR status 2004." I am shocked, baffled
> > > > and
> > > > confused for months now. New K-1 says maybe first K-1 got married
> > > > quickly after divorce and then new husband filed and first K-1 got
> > > > LPR
> > > > in 2004 and that's how it happened.
>
> > > > My lawyer says only way first K-1 can get LPR if I never filed
> > > > AOS,
> > > > and marriage lasted weeks, and she moved out never to be seen
> > > > again
> > > > (at least by me) is through "...filing as a battered spouse, but
> > > > in
> > > > order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
> > > > battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know
> > > > that
> > > > was not the case."
>
> > > > Let's say second K-1 is telling the truth and fully understands
> > > > what
> > > > she saw and read,
>
> > > > So how? How else, other than the batter thing, can first K-1, who
> > > > got
> > > > married, then was kicked out get LPR?
>
> > > > My preference answer from anyone is a list like this, listing her
> > > > options, so there is no mistake of me misunderstanding for
> > > > example,:
>
> > > > 1. [She could do this]
> > > > 2. [She could do that]
> > > > 3. [She could do this other thing]
> > > > 4. [...]
>
> > > > All I am desiring is to put this whole thing to rest in my mind.
> > > > So
> > > > any imaginary guessing would be fine too.
>
> > > Nobody "accidentally" opens the brown envelope.
>
> > > This is an entirely plausible set of circumstances.
>
> > > The lawyer is wrong... since, obviously, this isn't the "only way".
>
> > > You're assuming she was "kicked out". That might never have
> > > happened.
>
> > > Why do you even care? It's her problem... not yours.
>
> > > Ian
>
> > > --
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>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Nobody "accidentally" opens the brown envelope.
>
> > agreed. embassy warned new K-1 don't do it again.
>
> > > The lawyer is wrong... since, obviously, this isn't the "only way".
>
> > True. From an answer on another site, the first K-1 would either
> > 1. have to file abuse charges or
> > 2. find another, get married, travel back to home country, and come
> > back via the consulate or
> > 3. have another family relationship here.
>
> > > You're assuming she was "kicked out". That might never have
> > > happened.
> > No. I kicked her out of the house - that is why she ran to social
> > workers and a women's shelter.
>
> > > Why do you even care? It's her problem... not yours.
>
> > Why does anyone care or are inquisitive about anything or anyone or
> > this site and the peoblems people have - its theri problem not
> > anyones, etc.? You mis read my problem. My problem is I wonder and
> > want some rational response based on statutes/laws or plain
> > experiences anyone might have to answer my questions, for example,
> > what could have happened to her to get US LPR - wanna guess?
> > Especially, when the second K-1 said the first K-1 (who I divorced)
> > got U.S. LPR.
>
> Other than wondering why you have to go outside of the US boundaries
> twice to get yourself a wife, I'm curious about why this information was
> included in your second K-1's file.
>
> I know there is a law in place that states if a USC has a history of
> abusive behavior in a relationship that the foreign fiancee/spouse is to
> be told of such behavior/history. So was your second K-1 fiancee
> verbally told of this when she went for her interview?
>
> As for your first wife, yes, she could have applied under the VAWA for
> a green card without official documentation from police, etc. Not
> difficult to have friends write letters attesting to your verbal and
> abusive behavior towards her while in their presence. Not difficult
> for foreign family members to do the same for her. If she's a good
> actress not difficult to fool a psycologist <sp> of her phobias due to
> your abuse.
>
> --
> I'm not an attorney. This disclaimer is valid in NYS!
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> Other than wondering why you have to go outside of the US boundaries twice...
I can do what I want. Stay or go. It is not wrong to search the
planet for a
friend, wife, contact, and etc.
I'm curious about why this information was
> included in your second K-1's file.
Me too. IF it was.
> I know there is a law in place that states if a USC has a history of
> abusive behavior in a relationship that the foreign fiancee/spouse is to
> be told of such behavior/history. So was your second K-1 fiancee
> verbally told of this when she went for her interview?
Current Lawyer stated as a possibliity ofr gaining LPR is:
"...filing as a battered spouse, but in
order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know
that
WAS NOT THE CASE."
Which part of "...WAS NOT THE CASE." Did you miss?
> As for your first wife, yes, she could have applied under the VAWA for
> a green card without official documentation from police, etc. Not
> difficult to have friends write letters attesting to your verbal and
> abusive behavior towards her while in their presence. Not difficult
> for foreign family members to do the same for her. If she's a good
> actress not difficult to fool a psycologist <sp> of her phobias due to
> your abuse.
This statement, controversary aside, is believeable, at least, to me.
> > On Apr 4, 8:09 am, ian-mstm <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > I invited a K-1 in 2000, she arrived June 2001, we married
> > > > September
> > > > 2001, she staged a tremendous provocation, I grabbed my keys, got
> > > > in
> > > > my car, went to a motel, next day got a lawyer, got a kick-out
> > > > order
> > > > and a restraining order, kicked her out, she ran to local women's
> > > > shelter, made friends with social workers, I filed and got
> > > > divorced
> > > > from her in 2002. Never filed an AOS on her behalf.
>
> > > > A new K-1 said she accidentally opened brown envelop sent to her
> > > > by
> > > > embassy and saw the first K-1's passport picture in with the
> > > > caption: "Xxxx Received LPR status 2004." I am shocked, baffled
> > > > and
> > > > confused for months now. New K-1 says maybe first K-1 got married
> > > > quickly after divorce and then new husband filed and first K-1 got
> > > > LPR
> > > > in 2004 and that's how it happened.
>
> > > > My lawyer says only way first K-1 can get LPR if I never filed
> > > > AOS,
> > > > and marriage lasted weeks, and she moved out never to be seen
> > > > again
> > > > (at least by me) is through "...filing as a battered spouse, but
> > > > in
> > > > order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
> > > > battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know
> > > > that
> > > > was not the case."
>
> > > > Let's say second K-1 is telling the truth and fully understands
> > > > what
> > > > she saw and read,
>
> > > > So how? How else, other than the batter thing, can first K-1, who
> > > > got
> > > > married, then was kicked out get LPR?
>
> > > > My preference answer from anyone is a list like this, listing her
> > > > options, so there is no mistake of me misunderstanding for
> > > > example,:
>
> > > > 1. [She could do this]
> > > > 2. [She could do that]
> > > > 3. [She could do this other thing]
> > > > 4. [...]
>
> > > > All I am desiring is to put this whole thing to rest in my mind.
> > > > So
> > > > any imaginary guessing would be fine too.
>
> > > Nobody "accidentally" opens the brown envelope.
>
> > > This is an entirely plausible set of circumstances.
>
> > > The lawyer is wrong... since, obviously, this isn't the "only way".
>
> > > You're assuming she was "kicked out". That might never have
> > > happened.
>
> > > Why do you even care? It's her problem... not yours.
>
> > > Ian
>
> > > --
> > > Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Nobody "accidentally" opens the brown envelope.
>
> > agreed. embassy warned new K-1 don't do it again.
>
> > > The lawyer is wrong... since, obviously, this isn't the "only way".
>
> > True. From an answer on another site, the first K-1 would either
> > 1. have to file abuse charges or
> > 2. find another, get married, travel back to home country, and come
> > back via the consulate or
> > 3. have another family relationship here.
>
> > > You're assuming she was "kicked out". That might never have
> > > happened.
> > No. I kicked her out of the house - that is why she ran to social
> > workers and a women's shelter.
>
> > > Why do you even care? It's her problem... not yours.
>
> > Why does anyone care or are inquisitive about anything or anyone or
> > this site and the peoblems people have - its theri problem not
> > anyones, etc.? You mis read my problem. My problem is I wonder and
> > want some rational response based on statutes/laws or plain
> > experiences anyone might have to answer my questions, for example,
> > what could have happened to her to get US LPR - wanna guess?
> > Especially, when the second K-1 said the first K-1 (who I divorced)
> > got U.S. LPR.
>
> Other than wondering why you have to go outside of the US boundaries
> twice to get yourself a wife, I'm curious about why this information was
> included in your second K-1's file.
>
> I know there is a law in place that states if a USC has a history of
> abusive behavior in a relationship that the foreign fiancee/spouse is to
> be told of such behavior/history. So was your second K-1 fiancee
> verbally told of this when she went for her interview?
>
> As for your first wife, yes, she could have applied under the VAWA for
> a green card without official documentation from police, etc. Not
> difficult to have friends write letters attesting to your verbal and
> abusive behavior towards her while in their presence. Not difficult
> for foreign family members to do the same for her. If she's a good
> actress not difficult to fool a psycologist <sp> of her phobias due to
> your abuse.
>
> --
> I'm not an attorney. This disclaimer is valid in NYS!
> Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
=========================
> Other than wondering why you have to go outside of the US boundaries twice...
I can do what I want. Stay or go. It is not wrong to search the
planet for a
friend, wife, contact, and etc.
I'm curious about why this information was
> included in your second K-1's file.
Me too. IF it was.
> I know there is a law in place that states if a USC has a history of
> abusive behavior in a relationship that the foreign fiancee/spouse is to
> be told of such behavior/history. So was your second K-1 fiancee
> verbally told of this when she went for her interview?
Current Lawyer stated as a possibliity ofr gaining LPR is:
"...filing as a battered spouse, but in
order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know
that
WAS NOT THE CASE."
Which part of "...WAS NOT THE CASE." Did you miss?
> As for your first wife, yes, she could have applied under the VAWA for
> a green card without official documentation from police, etc. Not
> difficult to have friends write letters attesting to your verbal and
> abusive behavior towards her while in their presence. Not difficult
> for foreign family members to do the same for her. If she's a good
> actress not difficult to fool a psycologist <sp> of her phobias due to
> your abuse.
This statement, controversary aside, is believeable, at least, to me.
Apr 5th 2007, 8:44 pm
#12
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
On Apr 4, 4:55 pm, Rete <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Apr 3, 8:51 pm, Noorah101 <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > I invited a K-1 in 2000, she arrived June 2001, we married
> > > > September
> > > > 2001, she staged a tremendous provocation, I grabbed my keys, got
> > > > in
> > > > my car, went to a motel, next day got a lawyer, got a kick-out
> > > > order
> > > > and a restraining order, kicked her out, she ran to local women's
> > > > shelter, made friends with social workers, I filed and got
> > > > divorced
> > > > from her in 2002. Never filed an AOS on her behalf.
>
> > > > A new K-1 said she accidentally opened brown envelop sent to her
> > > > by
> > > > embassy and saw the first K-1's passport picture in with the
> > > > caption: "Xxxx Received LPR status 2004." I am shocked, baffled
> > > > and
> > > > confused for months now. New K-1 says maybe first K-1 got married
> > > > quickly after divorce and then new husband filed and first K-1 got
> > > > LPR
> > > > in 2004 and that's how it happened.
>
> > > > My lawyer says only way first K-1 can get LPR if I never filed
> > > > AOS,
> > > > and marriage lasted weeks, and she moved out never to be seen
> > > > again
> > > > (at least by me) is through "...filing as a battered spouse, but
> > > > in
> > > > order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
> > > > battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know
> > > > that
> > > > was not the case."
>
> > > > Let's say second K-1 is telling the truth and fully understands
> > > > what
> > > > she saw and read,
>
> > > > So how? How else, other than the batter thing, can first K-1, who
> > > > got
> > > > married, then was kicked out get LPR?
>
> > > > My preference answer from anyone is a list like this, listing her
> > > > options, so there is no mistake of me misunderstanding for
> > > > example,:
>
> > > > 1. [She could do this]
> > > > 2. [She could do that]
> > > > 3. [She could do this other thing]
> > > > 4. [...]
>
> > > > All I am desiring is to put this whole thing to rest in my mind.
> > > > So
> > > > any imaginary guessing would be fine too.
>
> > > 1. Maybe the first K-1 left the country right away and returned
> > > under a
> > > new K-1 with someone else.
>
> > > 2. Maybe first K-1 stayed in the USA after you got divorced, then
> > > met
> > > someone else and remarried in the USA and filed AOS.
>
> > > I do have a couple of quesitons...
>
> > > 3. Why did the second K-1 open the brown envelope?
>
> > >4. Why does it matter anymore to you how the first K-1 became LPR?
> > > She's out of your life now, and you have a new K-1.
>
> > > Best Wishes,
> > > Rene
>
> > > --
> > > Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > =======================> > > 2. Maybe first K-1 stayed in the USA after you got divorced, then
> > > met
> > > someone else and remarried in the USA and filed AOS.
>
> > This is not possible. From what I understand, first K-1 can marry
> > again, but would have to leave US and return via the US consulate.
>
> > > 3. Why did the second K-1 open the brown envelope?
>
> > Probably suspicion of some sorts. What bothered me is that second K-1
> > never made copies of contents to now prove to me her claim.
>
> > >4. Why does it matter anymore to you how the first K-1 became LPR?
> > > She's out of your life now, and you have a new K-1.
>
> > True. What was so neatly tucked away in my mind and forgotten was re-
> > ignited by second K-1's claim first K-1 got US LPR in the same amount
> > of time, as if, she was married to me. How? was/is my question. What
> > are the possible legal ways I wonder/ed. Baffled, I came to this web-
> > site seeking any palusible rational explanation based on experience/
> > USCIS laws/Statues.
>
> WRONG. they fulfilled the K-1 by marrying you. the divorce freed them
> of you and allows them to continue on with a new relationship. Nothing
> in the books that says they have to leave the US and return to marry
> again. That is only a requirement if the K-1 did not marry the person
> petitioning for them.
>
> That's what bothers you? Last person I would want to marry is someone
> who can't obey the law. What bothers me is that you wanted her to
> further break the law and make copies of documentation that should not
> have been seen in the first place.
>
> Others have given you the whys and wherefores
>
> 1. Marriage to another USC. Need only to live in a state where
> adjudication is quicker than in your state.
>
> 2. GC under VAWA
>
> --
> I'm not an attorney. This disclaimer is valid in NYS!
> Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
===============================================
> WRONG. they fulfilled the K-1 by marrying you. the divorce freed them
> of you and allows them to continue on with a new relationship. Nothing
> in the books that says they have to leave the US and return to marry
> again. That is only a requirement if the K-1 did not marry the person
> petitioning for them.
This what I have believed, first K-1 fullfilled her K-1 obligation,
likewise, I did
too. We married. After arrival, she/I can immediately divorce and
find another.
The other part of marrying again, leaving and coming back idea is a
sham
interpretation of USCIS laws/statutes.
> That's what bothers you? Last person I would want to marry is someone
> who can't obey the law. What bothers me is that you wanted her to
> further break the law and make copies of documentation that should not
> have been seen in the first place.
There is no law against wondering. Is there? Second K-1, whatever
she
did ripping an embassy envelop I was not aware unitil later. Making
copies
of the contents are against the law? Well. Interesting.
> 1. Marriage to another USC. Need only to live in a state where
> adjudication is quicker than in your state.
Yes. She needs to marry another and quickly is a possiblity. I/she
are free to marry anytime and anywhere and with whoever we want.
> 2. GC under VAWA
Yep. This is the cash cow.
> > On Apr 3, 8:51 pm, Noorah101 <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > I invited a K-1 in 2000, she arrived June 2001, we married
> > > > September
> > > > 2001, she staged a tremendous provocation, I grabbed my keys, got
> > > > in
> > > > my car, went to a motel, next day got a lawyer, got a kick-out
> > > > order
> > > > and a restraining order, kicked her out, she ran to local women's
> > > > shelter, made friends with social workers, I filed and got
> > > > divorced
> > > > from her in 2002. Never filed an AOS on her behalf.
>
> > > > A new K-1 said she accidentally opened brown envelop sent to her
> > > > by
> > > > embassy and saw the first K-1's passport picture in with the
> > > > caption: "Xxxx Received LPR status 2004." I am shocked, baffled
> > > > and
> > > > confused for months now. New K-1 says maybe first K-1 got married
> > > > quickly after divorce and then new husband filed and first K-1 got
> > > > LPR
> > > > in 2004 and that's how it happened.
>
> > > > My lawyer says only way first K-1 can get LPR if I never filed
> > > > AOS,
> > > > and marriage lasted weeks, and she moved out never to be seen
> > > > again
> > > > (at least by me) is through "...filing as a battered spouse, but
> > > > in
> > > > order to do so you have to have documentation proving that she was
> > > > battered, such as police reports, medical records, etc and I know
> > > > that
> > > > was not the case."
>
> > > > Let's say second K-1 is telling the truth and fully understands
> > > > what
> > > > she saw and read,
>
> > > > So how? How else, other than the batter thing, can first K-1, who
> > > > got
> > > > married, then was kicked out get LPR?
>
> > > > My preference answer from anyone is a list like this, listing her
> > > > options, so there is no mistake of me misunderstanding for
> > > > example,:
>
> > > > 1. [She could do this]
> > > > 2. [She could do that]
> > > > 3. [She could do this other thing]
> > > > 4. [...]
>
> > > > All I am desiring is to put this whole thing to rest in my mind.
> > > > So
> > > > any imaginary guessing would be fine too.
>
> > > 1. Maybe the first K-1 left the country right away and returned
> > > under a
> > > new K-1 with someone else.
>
> > > 2. Maybe first K-1 stayed in the USA after you got divorced, then
> > > met
> > > someone else and remarried in the USA and filed AOS.
>
> > > I do have a couple of quesitons...
>
> > > 3. Why did the second K-1 open the brown envelope?
>
> > >4. Why does it matter anymore to you how the first K-1 became LPR?
> > > She's out of your life now, and you have a new K-1.
>
> > > Best Wishes,
> > > Rene
>
> > > --
> > > Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com-Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > =======================> > > 2. Maybe first K-1 stayed in the USA after you got divorced, then
> > > met
> > > someone else and remarried in the USA and filed AOS.
>
> > This is not possible. From what I understand, first K-1 can marry
> > again, but would have to leave US and return via the US consulate.
>
> > > 3. Why did the second K-1 open the brown envelope?
>
> > Probably suspicion of some sorts. What bothered me is that second K-1
> > never made copies of contents to now prove to me her claim.
>
> > >4. Why does it matter anymore to you how the first K-1 became LPR?
> > > She's out of your life now, and you have a new K-1.
>
> > True. What was so neatly tucked away in my mind and forgotten was re-
> > ignited by second K-1's claim first K-1 got US LPR in the same amount
> > of time, as if, she was married to me. How? was/is my question. What
> > are the possible legal ways I wonder/ed. Baffled, I came to this web-
> > site seeking any palusible rational explanation based on experience/
> > USCIS laws/Statues.
>
> WRONG. they fulfilled the K-1 by marrying you. the divorce freed them
> of you and allows them to continue on with a new relationship. Nothing
> in the books that says they have to leave the US and return to marry
> again. That is only a requirement if the K-1 did not marry the person
> petitioning for them.
>
> That's what bothers you? Last person I would want to marry is someone
> who can't obey the law. What bothers me is that you wanted her to
> further break the law and make copies of documentation that should not
> have been seen in the first place.
>
> Others have given you the whys and wherefores
>
> 1. Marriage to another USC. Need only to live in a state where
> adjudication is quicker than in your state.
>
> 2. GC under VAWA
>
> --
> I'm not an attorney. This disclaimer is valid in NYS!
> Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
===============================================
> WRONG. they fulfilled the K-1 by marrying you. the divorce freed them
> of you and allows them to continue on with a new relationship. Nothing
> in the books that says they have to leave the US and return to marry
> again. That is only a requirement if the K-1 did not marry the person
> petitioning for them.
This what I have believed, first K-1 fullfilled her K-1 obligation,
likewise, I did
too. We married. After arrival, she/I can immediately divorce and
find another.
The other part of marrying again, leaving and coming back idea is a
sham
interpretation of USCIS laws/statutes.
> That's what bothers you? Last person I would want to marry is someone
> who can't obey the law. What bothers me is that you wanted her to
> further break the law and make copies of documentation that should not
> have been seen in the first place.
There is no law against wondering. Is there? Second K-1, whatever
she
did ripping an embassy envelop I was not aware unitil later. Making
copies
of the contents are against the law? Well. Interesting.
> 1. Marriage to another USC. Need only to live in a state where
> adjudication is quicker than in your state.
Yes. She needs to marry another and quickly is a possiblity. I/she
are free to marry anytime and anywhere and with whoever we want.
> 2. GC under VAWA
Yep. This is the cash cow.
Apr 5th 2007, 8:47 pm
#13
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
On Apr 4, 6:04 pm, ian-mstm <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Other than wondering why you have to go outside of the US boundaries
> > twice to get yourself a wife, I'm curious about why this information
> > was included in your second K-1's file.
>
> > I know there is a law in place that states if a USC has a history of
> > abusive behavior in a relationship that the foreign fiancee/spouse is
> > to be told of such behavior/history. So was your second K-1 fiancee
> > verbally told of this when she went for her interview?
>
> > As for your first wife, yes, she could have applied under the VAWA for
> > a green card without official documentation from police, etc. Not
> > difficult to have friends write letters attesting to your verbal and
> > abusive behavior towards her while in their presence. Not difficult
> > for foreign family members to do the same for her. If she's a good
> > actress not difficult to fool a psycologist <sp> of her phobias due to
> > your abuse.
>
> I agree. He's not one for shopping locally.
>
> Ian
>
> --
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>
> - Show quoted text -
====================================
> I agree. He's not one for shopping locally.
Classic response is "I can get..." ego stuff. Another classic is:
"I wasn't looking...; just happened...;" and all that.
Quite funny.
> > Other than wondering why you have to go outside of the US boundaries
> > twice to get yourself a wife, I'm curious about why this information
> > was included in your second K-1's file.
>
> > I know there is a law in place that states if a USC has a history of
> > abusive behavior in a relationship that the foreign fiancee/spouse is
> > to be told of such behavior/history. So was your second K-1 fiancee
> > verbally told of this when she went for her interview?
>
> > As for your first wife, yes, she could have applied under the VAWA for
> > a green card without official documentation from police, etc. Not
> > difficult to have friends write letters attesting to your verbal and
> > abusive behavior towards her while in their presence. Not difficult
> > for foreign family members to do the same for her. If she's a good
> > actress not difficult to fool a psycologist <sp> of her phobias due to
> > your abuse.
>
> I agree. He's not one for shopping locally.
>
> Ian
>
> --
> Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
====================================
> I agree. He's not one for shopping locally.
Classic response is "I can get..." ego stuff. Another classic is:
"I wasn't looking...; just happened...;" and all that.
Quite funny.
Apr 5th 2007, 8:50 pm
#14
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Does She Really, Really Have LPR Status?
On Apr 4, 5:49 pm, Noorah101 <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > WRONG. they fulfilled the K-1 by marrying you. the divorce freed
> > them of you and allows them to continue on with a new relationship.
> > Nothing in the books that says they have to leave the US and return to
> > marry again. That is only a requirement if the K-1 did not marry the
> > person petitioning for them.
>
> > That's what bothers you? Last person I would want to marry is someone
> > who can't obey the law. What bothers me is that you wanted her to
> > further break the law and make copies of documentation that should not
> > have been seen in the first place.
>
> > Others have given you the whys and wherefores
>
> > 1. Marriage to another USC. Need only to live in a state where
> > adjudication is quicker than in your state.
>
> > 2. GC under VAWA
>
> I agree. And personally, it would bother me more that the person I'm
> intending to marry IS suspicious enough to open a sealed envelope. That
> alone would make me back up a step and think things over....
>
> Rene
>
> --
> Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
=================================================
If simple things like this "bother you..." and etc. what happens in
major situations?
Please. Don't answer.
You have not traveled enough or spent time with differrent populations
of people under different social/economic/political governments.
Please. Don't respond. Off Topic responses is the least I seek.
TIA.
wrote:
> > WRONG. they fulfilled the K-1 by marrying you. the divorce freed
> > them of you and allows them to continue on with a new relationship.
> > Nothing in the books that says they have to leave the US and return to
> > marry again. That is only a requirement if the K-1 did not marry the
> > person petitioning for them.
>
> > That's what bothers you? Last person I would want to marry is someone
> > who can't obey the law. What bothers me is that you wanted her to
> > further break the law and make copies of documentation that should not
> > have been seen in the first place.
>
> > Others have given you the whys and wherefores
>
> > 1. Marriage to another USC. Need only to live in a state where
> > adjudication is quicker than in your state.
>
> > 2. GC under VAWA
>
> I agree. And personally, it would bother me more that the person I'm
> intending to marry IS suspicious enough to open a sealed envelope. That
> alone would make me back up a step and think things over....
>
> Rene
>
> --
> Posted viahttp://britishexpats.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
=================================================
If simple things like this "bother you..." and etc. what happens in
major situations?
Please. Don't answer.
You have not traveled enough or spent time with differrent populations
of people under different social/economic/political governments.
Please. Don't respond. Off Topic responses is the least I seek.
TIA.
