Argh, another amensty program brewing
Dec 11th 2003, 2:45 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Originally posted by CaliforniaBride
LOL, thought it was just me, but Defari's posts are way to much trouble for me to read!
LOL, thought it was just me, but Defari's posts are way to much trouble for me to read!
Dec 11th 2003, 3:00 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Originally posted by Leslie66
How do you figure?
How do you figure?
There is a provision which allowed for filing of "late amnesty" applications which related to the 1986 Act's legalization program.
That is the only "amnesty" provision that I am awere of in the LIFE act.
There were also some provisions in the "AC21" legislation which could concievably be considered an "amnesty" for certain employment based immigrants.
Dec 11th 2003, 3:24 am
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Leslie66 wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Originally
posted by Andrew Defaria <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Some people, myself included, viewed the LIFE
act as an amnesty program.<br>
</blockquote>
<!---->How do you figure?<br>
</blockquote>
What do you know of the LIFE act? <br>
<br>
Essentially is "forgave" previous illegal behaviors (overstays) if the
alien simply reapplied for AOS and paid extra money for processing of
their application. To me this is amnesty (with a fee, but amnesty
nonetheless).<br>
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Leslie66 wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Originally
posted by Andrew Defaria <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Some people, myself included, viewed the LIFE
act as an amnesty program.<br>
</blockquote>
<!---->How do you figure?<br>
</blockquote>
What do you know of the LIFE act? <br>
<br>
Essentially is "forgave" previous illegal behaviors (overstays) if the
alien simply reapplied for AOS and paid extra money for processing of
their application. To me this is amnesty (with a fee, but amnesty
nonetheless).<br>
<br>
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Dec 11th 2003, 3:25 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
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Hypertweeky wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Originally
posted by CaliforniaBride <br>
<blockquote type="cite">LOL, thought it was just me, but Defari's
posts are way to much trouble for me to read! <br>
</blockquote>
<!---->Nah you are not the only one.. My brain almost fell out on this
one LOL.<br>
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Either your head is too big or brain too small! <span
class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span><br>
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Hypertweeky wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Originally
posted by CaliforniaBride <br>
<blockquote type="cite">LOL, thought it was just me, but Defari's
posts are way to much trouble for me to read! <br>
</blockquote>
<!---->Nah you are not the only one.. My brain almost fell out on this
one LOL.<br>
</blockquote>
Either your head is too big or brain too small! <span
class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span><br>
<br>
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Dec 11th 2003, 3:40 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Originally posted by Andrew Defaria
Originally posted by Andrew Defaria <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Some people, myself included, viewed the LIFEact as an amnesty program.<br>
</blockquote>
<!---->How do you figure?<br>
What do you know of the LIFE act? <br>
Essentially is "forgave" previous illegal behaviors (overstays) if the alien simply reapplied for AOS and paid extra money for processing of their application. To me this is amnesty (with a fee, but amnesty nonetheless).<br>
Originally posted by Andrew Defaria <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Some people, myself included, viewed the LIFEact as an amnesty program.<br>
</blockquote>
<!---->How do you figure?<br>
What do you know of the LIFE act? <br>
Essentially is "forgave" previous illegal behaviors (overstays) if the alien simply reapplied for AOS and paid extra money for processing of their application. To me this is amnesty (with a fee, but amnesty nonetheless).<br>
Dec 11th 2003, 4:08 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Originally posted by Andrew Defaria
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Leslie66 wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Originally
posted by Andrew Defaria <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Some people, myself included, viewed the LIFE
act as an amnesty program.<br>
</blockquote>
<!---->How do you figure?<br>
</blockquote>
What do you know of the LIFE act? <br>
<br>
Essentially is "forgave" previous illegal behaviors (overstays) if the
alien simply reapplied for AOS and paid extra money for processing of
their application. To me this is amnesty (with a fee, but amnesty
nonetheless).<br>
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Leslie66 wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Originally
posted by Andrew Defaria <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Some people, myself included, viewed the LIFE
act as an amnesty program.<br>
</blockquote>
<!---->How do you figure?<br>
</blockquote>
What do you know of the LIFE act? <br>
<br>
Essentially is "forgave" previous illegal behaviors (overstays) if the
alien simply reapplied for AOS and paid extra money for processing of
their application. To me this is amnesty (with a fee, but amnesty
nonetheless).<br>
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We have different ideas of what an "amnesty" is. That item applied ONLY to aliens who were eligible for a green card in the first place.
LIFE was brief extension of the prior 245(i) program. Before October 1, 1994, visa eligible aliens who were not eligible for adjustment in the US went overseas.
The consulates were pretty efficient in handling these cases. And if there was a denial, there was NO appeal.
Well, 245(i) channeled these people into the AOS process which takes a lot longer and they CHARGED a penalty for this inefficient process.
IMHO, hurting aliens is not an "amnesty" -- but feel free to disagree.
Dec 11th 2003, 4:16 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Originally posted by Hypertweeky
Nah you are not the only one.. My brain almost fell out on this one LOL.
Nah you are not the only one.. My brain almost fell out on this one LOL.
I respect his right to view and post in a format that he prefers. It is my right to skip over his posts and responses that are difficult to read.
His loss and ours
Rete
Dec 11th 2003, 4:20 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Originally posted by Leslie66
I don't know very much about the life act. That's why I asked. Anyway Folinsky already explained it to me and he didn't feel it was necessary to be rude. Get off your high horse Defaria or I'll start correcting your spelling again.
I don't know very much about the life act. That's why I asked. Anyway Folinsky already explained it to me and he didn't feel it was necessary to be rude. Get off your high horse Defaria or I'll start correcting your spelling again.
Originally posted by Andrew Defaria <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Some people, myself included, viewed the LIFEact as an amnesty program.<br>
</blockquote>
<!---->How do you figure?<br>
What do you know of the LIFE act? <br>
Essentially is "forgave" previous illegal behaviors (overstays) if the alien simply reapplied for AOS and paid extra money for processing of their application. To me this is amnesty (with a fee, but amnesty nonetheless).<br>
[/QUOTE]
Actually Andrew it didn't forgive overstays. It forgave undocumented aliens. Undocumented were not overstays but aliens who entered the US without inspection. And yes, I, too, view it as an anmesty. To me anmesty is any law which will allow an alien to adjust status while remaining inside the US regardless of the when, where, how, or whatfores of their entry and/or status.
Rete
Dec 11th 2003, 4:25 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Originally posted by Rete
To me anmesty is any law which will allow an alien to adjust status while remaining inside the US regardless of the when, where, how, or whatfores of their entry and/or status.
Rete
To me anmesty is any law which will allow an alien to adjust status while remaining inside the US regardless of the when, where, how, or whatfores of their entry and/or status.
Rete
Dec 11th 2003, 4:31 am
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Leslie66 wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Originally
posted by Andrew Defaria <br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Originally posted by Andrew Defaria <br><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Some people,
myself included, viewed the<br>
LIFEact as an amnesty program.<br><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><br>
</blockquote>
<!----><br>
<!----><br>
<blockquote type="cite"><!---->How do you figure?<br><br>
</blockquote>
<!----><br>
<!----><br>
<blockquote type="cite">What do you know of the LIFE act? <br><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Essentially is "forgave" previous illegal
behaviors (overstays) if the<br>
alien simply reapplied for AOS and paid extra money for processing of<br>
their application. To me this is amnesty (with a fee, but amnesty<br>
nonetheless).<br><br>
</blockquote>
I don't know very much about the life act. That's why I asked. </blockquote>
You asked "How do you figure" which is more like "How did you come up
with that interpretation of the LIFE Act" than "I don't know the LIFE
Act. Was it really an amnesty program?" to me.<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Anyway
Folinsky already explained it to me and he didn't feel it was necessary
to be rude. </blockquote>
And how the hell was I rude? Please tell me. I first asked what you
know of the LIFE act as I didn't think that you knew much about it at
all (to be honest, truthful, and yes rude (hey if I'm gonna "do the
time" I might as well "do the crime") you seem to be clueless about a
lot of things related to immigration as well as the internet...) and
your question "How do you figure", to me smacks of "Listen I read the
LIFE act and know it well, how did you away from reading the LIFE act
with that odd interpretation" so I first thought I'd check to see if
you knew anything about it. Then I simply summarized it's provision
that I view as being equivalent to amnesty program. What the hell was
rude about that?!? Could it be a chip on <b>your</b> shoulder?<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Get
off your high horse Defaria or I'll start correcting your spelling
again.<br>
</blockquote>
How are my comments at all any kind of "high horse". To me that LIFE
act was essentially an amnesty program. Even Folinsky didn't dispute
this. Are you saying I cannot hold such an opinion or that by holding
such an opinion I'm on a high horse?!? Hey I just call 'em like I see
'em. Now that you know a little about the LIFE act do you think it
essentially an amnesty program? If so have you also climbed on some
high horse?<br>
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Leslie66 wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Originally
posted by Andrew Defaria <br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Originally posted by Andrew Defaria <br><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"> <blockquote type="cite">Some people,
myself included, viewed the<br>
LIFEact as an amnesty program.<br><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><br>
</blockquote>
<!----><br>
<!----><br>
<blockquote type="cite"><!---->How do you figure?<br><br>
</blockquote>
<!----><br>
<!----><br>
<blockquote type="cite">What do you know of the LIFE act? <br><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Essentially is "forgave" previous illegal
behaviors (overstays) if the<br>
alien simply reapplied for AOS and paid extra money for processing of<br>
their application. To me this is amnesty (with a fee, but amnesty<br>
nonetheless).<br><br>
</blockquote>
I don't know very much about the life act. That's why I asked. </blockquote>
You asked "How do you figure" which is more like "How did you come up
with that interpretation of the LIFE Act" than "I don't know the LIFE
Act. Was it really an amnesty program?" to me.<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Anyway
Folinsky already explained it to me and he didn't feel it was necessary
to be rude. </blockquote>
And how the hell was I rude? Please tell me. I first asked what you
know of the LIFE act as I didn't think that you knew much about it at
all (to be honest, truthful, and yes rude (hey if I'm gonna "do the
time" I might as well "do the crime") you seem to be clueless about a
lot of things related to immigration as well as the internet...) and
your question "How do you figure", to me smacks of "Listen I read the
LIFE act and know it well, how did you away from reading the LIFE act
with that odd interpretation" so I first thought I'd check to see if
you knew anything about it. Then I simply summarized it's provision
that I view as being equivalent to amnesty program. What the hell was
rude about that?!? Could it be a chip on <b>your</b> shoulder?<br>
<blockquote cite="[email protected]" type="cite">Get
off your high horse Defaria or I'll start correcting your spelling
again.<br>
</blockquote>
How are my comments at all any kind of "high horse". To me that LIFE
act was essentially an amnesty program. Even Folinsky didn't dispute
this. Are you saying I cannot hold such an opinion or that by holding
such an opinion I'm on a high horse?!? Hey I just call 'em like I see
'em. Now that you know a little about the LIFE act do you think it
essentially an amnesty program? If so have you also climbed on some
high horse?<br>
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Dec 11th 2003, 4:37 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Folinskyinla wrote:
> We have different ideas of what an "amnesty" is. That item applied
> ONLY to aliens who were eligible for a green card in the first place.
> LIFE was brief extension of the prior 245(i) program. Before October
> 1, 1994, visa eligible aliens who were not eligible for adjustment in
> the US went overseas.
> The consulates were pretty efficient in handling these cases. And if
> there was a denial, there was NO appeal.
> Well, 245(i) channeled these people into the AOS process which takes a
> lot longer and they CHARGED a penalty for this inefficient process.
> IMHO, hurting aliens is not an "amnesty" -- but feel free to disagree.
Perhaps I do have a different idea of what amnesty is or maybe I don't
understand the finer points of LIFE act, however it was discussed here a
lot and many people said that aliens who were here for years (I think I
even heard decades) illegally were given the opportunity to pay a fee
($1000 I think) and apply for AOS and their past illegal behavior
(overstaying) would be "forgiven" or not considered. To me this is
getting away with breaking the law, being forgiven or given an amnesty
for your illegal behavior. YMMV.
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> We have different ideas of what an "amnesty" is. That item applied
> ONLY to aliens who were eligible for a green card in the first place.
> LIFE was brief extension of the prior 245(i) program. Before October
> 1, 1994, visa eligible aliens who were not eligible for adjustment in
> the US went overseas.
> The consulates were pretty efficient in handling these cases. And if
> there was a denial, there was NO appeal.
> Well, 245(i) channeled these people into the AOS process which takes a
> lot longer and they CHARGED a penalty for this inefficient process.
> IMHO, hurting aliens is not an "amnesty" -- but feel free to disagree.
Perhaps I do have a different idea of what amnesty is or maybe I don't
understand the finer points of LIFE act, however it was discussed here a
lot and many people said that aliens who were here for years (I think I
even heard decades) illegally were given the opportunity to pay a fee
($1000 I think) and apply for AOS and their past illegal behavior
(overstaying) would be "forgiven" or not considered. To me this is
getting away with breaking the law, being forgiven or given an amnesty
for your illegal behavior. YMMV.
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Dec 11th 2003, 4:47 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Originally posted by Rete
Originally posted by Andrew Defaria
Originally posted by Andrew Defaria <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Some people, myself included, viewed the LIFEact as an amnesty program.<br>
</blockquote>
<!---->How do you figure?<br>
What do you know of the LIFE act? <br>
Essentially is "forgave" previous illegal behaviors (overstays) if the alien simply reapplied for AOS and paid extra money for processing of their application. To me this is amnesty (with a fee, but amnesty nonetheless).<br>
Originally posted by Andrew Defaria
Originally posted by Andrew Defaria <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Some people, myself included, viewed the LIFEact as an amnesty program.<br>
</blockquote>
<!---->How do you figure?<br>
What do you know of the LIFE act? <br>
Essentially is "forgave" previous illegal behaviors (overstays) if the alien simply reapplied for AOS and paid extra money for processing of their application. To me this is amnesty (with a fee, but amnesty nonetheless).<br>
Rete [/QUOTE]
Hi:
I never really liked 245(i). Also, the system as it works today simply gives illegals who fit within the eligible qualifications [spouse of USC, parent of adult USC, etc] one of two choices -- stay here illegally or leave without the ability to come back. IMHO, that gives them the incentive to stay here illegally.
I'd rather given these people the "carrot" of the possibility of coming back to induce them to leave. If they get denied, then ICE and EOIR need not be bothered with efforts to remove them.
People tend to forget that 245(i) was initiated as a BUDGETARY matter. How it turned into an "amnesty" is beyond me. The 1986 Legalization was a true "amnesty" -- you've been here illegally for a period of time and BECUASE of that, we will allow you to stay. A diffrent animal completly.
Of course, I wonder if some people consider the K-3 to be an "amnesty" -- it allows people in prematurely rather than waiting their turn. BTW, one of my old secretaries is now a university professor in the MidWest. She has petitioned for her elderly mother to come to the US. No K-3 for her. IMHO, that ain't fair.
Dec 11th 2003, 5:39 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Folinskyinla wrote:
> I never really liked 245(i). Also, the system as it works today simply
> gives illegals who fit within the eligible qualifications [spouse of
> USC, parent of adult USC, etc] one of two choices -- stay here
> illegally or leave without the ability to come back. IMHO, that gives
> them the incentive to stay here illegally.
Huh? I mean you oughta know however if somebody is here illegally and
they leave they may be subject to a 3 or 10 year bar but they can return
can they not?
> I'd rather given these people the "carrot" of the possibility of
> coming back to induce them to leave.
Doesn't that carrot already exist? (confused).
> If they get denied, then ICE and EOIR need not be bothered with
> efforts to remove them.
If they get denied what? The carrot? Why would ICE and EOIR not need be
bothered?
> The 1986 Legalization was a true "amnesty" -- you've been here
> illegally for a period of time and BECUASE of that, we will allow you
> to stay. A diffrent animal completly.
To me anything that forgives prior violations of the law is an amnesty.
YMMV.
> Of course, I wonder if some people consider the K-3 to be an "amnesty"
> -- it allows people in prematurely rather than waiting their turn.
> BTW, one of my old secretaries is now a university professor in the
> MidWest. She has petitioned for her elderly mother to come to the US.
> No K-3 for her. IMHO, that ain't fair.
K3 is sheer lunacy IMHO. What needs to be done is the appropriate
application of resources so that such extremely long waits are not the
problem in the first place!
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> I never really liked 245(i). Also, the system as it works today simply
> gives illegals who fit within the eligible qualifications [spouse of
> USC, parent of adult USC, etc] one of two choices -- stay here
> illegally or leave without the ability to come back. IMHO, that gives
> them the incentive to stay here illegally.
Huh? I mean you oughta know however if somebody is here illegally and
they leave they may be subject to a 3 or 10 year bar but they can return
can they not?
> I'd rather given these people the "carrot" of the possibility of
> coming back to induce them to leave.
Doesn't that carrot already exist? (confused).
> If they get denied, then ICE and EOIR need not be bothered with
> efforts to remove them.
If they get denied what? The carrot? Why would ICE and EOIR not need be
bothered?
> The 1986 Legalization was a true "amnesty" -- you've been here
> illegally for a period of time and BECUASE of that, we will allow you
> to stay. A diffrent animal completly.
To me anything that forgives prior violations of the law is an amnesty.
YMMV.
> Of course, I wonder if some people consider the K-3 to be an "amnesty"
> -- it allows people in prematurely rather than waiting their turn.
> BTW, one of my old secretaries is now a university professor in the
> MidWest. She has petitioned for her elderly mother to come to the US.
> No K-3 for her. IMHO, that ain't fair.
K3 is sheer lunacy IMHO. What needs to be done is the appropriate
application of resources so that such extremely long waits are not the
problem in the first place!
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Dec 11th 2003, 6:07 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Originally posted by Andrew Defaria you seem to be clueless about alot of things related to immigration as well as the internet...)
I never claimed to know anything about the internet or immigration. I also don't find it necessary to brag about the things that I do have expertise in.
You are boring.
Dec 11th 2003, 6:13 am
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Re: Argh, another amensty program brewing
Actually, he does it purposely. I asked him to turn it off a couple of weeks ago and he pretty much told me to buzz off (actually, he wasn't quite that polite). He takes pride in being obnoxious.
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Originally posted by Hypertweeky
Nah you are not the only one.. My brain almost fell out on this one LOL.
Nah you are not the only one.. My brain almost fell out on this one LOL.
