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Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by JonboyE
(Post 8479056)
It is not a uniquely Canadian phenomenon. Minority governments are largely dysfunctional. You could argue that it is one of the best features of them.
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Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 8479118)
Quite. There's a strong school of thought that much of Canada's lauded stability and economically-less-messed-uppedness is a direct result of having a government that has been unable to pass any contentious legislation. While the three-way alliance of Libs, NDP and Bloc collapsed almost before it began at the end of 2008, it served its purpose in a way - Harper persuaded the GG to prorogue parliament to escape the inevitable confidence motion, and when they came back again there was a bit less ideological crap in the throne speech.
For generations, the PR voting system has led to consensus wishy-washy compromise government, with nobody actually able to get anything done that might actually make a difference. The proportions are strictly adhered to, so you can often end up with an 'allocated' MP that had nothing to do with your constituency during the campaign. (Friends of mine in Frankfurt are represented in the Bundestag by an MP from Bavaria who, when questioned by a journo, had never heard of their neighbourhood). Whether policy is good or bad, it's certainly better if it's definite. |
Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 8479198)
When did canada last have a majority government? Martin? Cretien?
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Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 8479118)
Quite. There's a strong school of thought that much of Canada's lauded stability and economically-less-messed-uppedness is a direct result of having a government that has been unable to pass any contentious legislation. While the three-way alliance of Libs, NDP and Bloc collapsed almost before it began at the end of 2008, it served its purpose in a way - Harper persuaded the GG to prorogue parliament to escape the inevitable confidence motion, and when they came back again there was a bit less ideological crap in the throne speech.
What tyranical legislation did the liberals pass when they last had majority governments under Chretien and Martin? Isn't the reality of the situation that the liberals haven't been strong enough to want an election since Harpers been in so they let him get on with it as long as he doesn't go too far. If the liberals were up in the polls and they though they could win it they would force an election straight away. |
Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 8479047)
It's normal for sovereign independent nations to have foreign non residents as head of state.
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Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 8479390)
What, like the US, Germany, France, Italy, etc?
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Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 8479416)
Just using JAJs words (ironically) in connection with the Canadian head of state.
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Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by The Dean
(Post 8479220)
Perhaps, but it doesn't work that way in Europe.
For generations, the PR voting system has led to consensus wishy-washy compromise government, with nobody actually able to get anything done that might actually make a difference. The proportions are strictly adhered to, so you can often end up with an 'allocated' MP that had nothing to do with your constituency during the campaign. (Friends of mine in Frankfurt are represented in the Bundestag by an MP from Bavaria who, when questioned by a journo, had never heard of their neighbourhood). Whether policy is good or bad, it's certainly better if it's definite. |
Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
I like a good British general election. There's often lots of fun and merriment, tons of gaffs and guffaws. Basically people making complete tits of themselves. :thumbup:
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Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 8479543)
I like a good British general election. There's often lots of fun and merriment, tons of gaffs and guffaws. Basically people making complete tits of themselves. :thumbup:
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Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 8479543)
I like a good British general election. There's often lots of fun and merriment, tons of gaffs and guffaws. Basically people making complete tits of themselves. :thumbup:
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Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 8479320)
You seem to be saying a restrained Harper conservative government is a good thing for Canada?
What tyranical legislation did the liberals pass when they last had majority governments under Chretien and Martin? Isn't the reality of the situation that the liberals haven't been strong enough to want an election since Harpers been in so they let him get on with it as long as he doesn't go too far. If the liberals were up in the polls and they though they could win it they would force an election straight away. The UK election may well result in a hung parliament. If the Lib Dems get well into the mix and the assorted Nationalists (and Ulster Unionists) gain ground, the situation may be remarkably similar to the Canadian one, with a minority tory government able to pass moderate measures with cross-party support from the (nominally at least) centrist, leftist, and regionalist members. I would hate to suggest that Cameron should look to Harper for advice (God forbid...) but British politicians of all stripes could do worse than take a look at how Canadian parliamentary democracy has functioned (or not) over the last couple of years. |
Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 8479571)
no, I'm saying that a Harper minority government is less dangerous for Canada than a Harper majority would be. My point was that even with a Liberal party as disfunctional as it was under Dion, when it all got too much the three opposition parties forced Harper into going to the GG rather than face a confidence motion, which had the effect of dampening the more illiberal measures in the legislative program, at least temporarily.
The UK election may well result in a hung parliament. If the Lib Dems get well into the mix and the assorted Nationalists (and Ulster Unionists) gain ground, the situation may be remarkably similar to the Canadian one, with a minority tory government able to pass moderate measures with cross-party support from the (nominally at least) centrist, leftist, and regionalist members. I would hate to suggest that Cameron should look to Harper for advice (God forbid...) but British politicians of all stripes could do worse than take a look at how Canadian parliamentary democracy has functioned (or not) over the last couple of years. |
Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 8479556)
I'm quite looking forward to watching it on TV. I doubt it will beat the '97 one for entertainment - but it should be good to watch.
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Re: Will you vote in the UK election?
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 8479047)
It's normal for sovereign independent nations to have foreign non residents as head of state.
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