View Poll Results: WILL the UK remain united after Scotland's referendum?
Rule Brittania! (Scotland will vote to stay)
43
69.35%
Away wi ye! (Scotland votes for independence)
19
30.65%
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WILL our kingdom stay united?
Sep 4th 2014, 9:58 am
#62
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Sep 4th 2014, 9:59 am
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Sep 4th 2014, 10:28 am
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Re: WILL our kingdom stay united?
Leaving aside the outing of Oink as a naturalized Yank, which was bleeding obvious years ago, and getting back to the thread, this is an excerpt from Chantale Hébert's book, published on Tuesday, called "The Morning After". Book excerpt: The Morning After | Toronto Star
I think there are interesting lessons there for the camp which doesn't care if Scotland votes yes.
I think there are interesting lessons there for the camp which doesn't care if Scotland votes yes.
Sep 4th 2014, 10:31 am
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Re: WILL our kingdom stay united?
Leaving aside the outing of Oink as a naturalized Yank, which was bleeding obvious years ago, and getting back to the thread, this is an excerpt from Chantale Hébert's book, published on Tuesday, called "The Morning After". Book excerpt: The Morning After | Toronto Star
I think there are interesting lessons there for the camp which doesn't care if Scotland votes yes.
I think there are interesting lessons there for the camp which doesn't care if Scotland votes yes.
Sep 4th 2014, 10:35 am
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Sep 4th 2014, 10:46 am
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Re: WILL our kingdom stay united?
Leaving aside the outing of Oink as a naturalized Yank, which was bleeding obvious years ago, and getting back to the thread, this is an excerpt from Chantale Hébert's book, published on Tuesday, called "The Morning After". Book excerpt: The Morning After | Toronto Star
I think there are interesting lessons there for the camp which doesn't care if Scotland votes yes.
I think there are interesting lessons there for the camp which doesn't care if Scotland votes yes.
Sep 4th 2014, 10:54 am
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Re: WILL our kingdom stay united?
There's more in the book than in the excerpt.
According to my #2 son, currently a broadcast journalist in Regina, and who interviewed Madame Hébert yesterday, it appears that Roy Romanov, the then Premier of Saskatchewan, had contingency planning in place for a provincial referendum in the event of a yes vote, calling for SK to secede from the ROC nd seek US Statehood.
I'm just saying that the folk who genuinely don't give a shit about the Scottish vote may not have thought it through.
According to my #2 son, currently a broadcast journalist in Regina, and who interviewed Madame Hébert yesterday, it appears that Roy Romanov, the then Premier of Saskatchewan, had contingency planning in place for a provincial referendum in the event of a yes vote, calling for SK to secede from the ROC nd seek US Statehood.
I'm just saying that the folk who genuinely don't give a shit about the Scottish vote may not have thought it through.
Sep 4th 2014, 11:12 am
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Re: WILL our kingdom stay united?
(...) this is an excerpt from Chantale Hébert's book, published on Tuesday, called "The Morning After". Book excerpt: The Morning After | Toronto Star
I think there are interesting lessons there for the camp which doesn't care if Scotland votes yes.
I think there are interesting lessons there for the camp which doesn't care if Scotland votes yes.
At the time I was in the middle of the immigration process. Via Quebec.
It was very enlightening to me that the Délégation du Québec (Paris) spent most of my 45 minute interview which overflowed into nearly 2 hours assuring me that a "yes" vote wouldn't change anything
."It won't change anything". "There are contingency plans". "Anyway, you can always go to Ontario instead"
!!It was a fascinating process to watch from afar, nailbiting in that it might have had a huge effect on my future
S
Sep 4th 2014, 12:49 pm
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Re: WILL our kingdom stay united?
It's not even slightly weird, obviously if you speak a separate language it's easier to make the case for a separate country. It's an obvious major cultural difference.
Mmm, I could write a book on that one. Alex Salmond is an ego maniac and opportunist, most politicians are, but he's taken his ego mania to a level that will do possibly irreparable damage to the UK if followed through to its logical conclusion. That they're totally inept is easily proven by Kenny MacAskill releasing a Libyan terrorist from prison, after the government spent millions getting him into a special Scottish court established in the Netherlands. Like I said, Donald Dewar, the architect of the Scotland Act, thought Salmond was an ego maniac and this is a guy who did as much if not more for Scotland than the SNP has ever done. And as for "good riddance", I wish the same to all regional political parties that advocate demolishing a perfectly good country, the Bloc included.
No, it's not, because it made a modicum of sense, whereas Scotland separating makes no sense at all.
Look, they're about as similar as similar gets really, the francophones in Québec were discriminated against, no doubt about it, which causes resentment and then De Gaulle came over and gave his stupid speech which stirred it all up (and even his staff thought he was nuts). Hence the start of the separatist movement.
Scotland is pretty much the same deal, they don't like being condescended to by the English and they're right to feel condescended to. The English in particular still suffer from a delusion that they actually matter in the world, as demonstrated by Nigel Farage's endless stupid speeches on the subject. In reality no-one cares anymore what the British think and haven't since at least the end of the Cold War if not before. I can quite understand why the Scottish want to distance themselves from the English mindset. But you don't have to split up the country!
You actually have a situation now where they're trying to scare Scottish voters by saying they'll have to use the Euro... er... so basically, using middle England populism to scare the Scottish, this is what it has come to. Given that at some point the UK probably will have to use the Euro, how is this helpful? Using illogical scare tactics to combat illogic. Brilliant.
And then I see Salmond saying woohoo, we're going to introduce airgun licensing and it will work because there will be border checks with England... oh but hang on... no there won't be border checks because that will lose them the referendum... so which is it, exactly?
Basically, they're all talking a load of utter bullshit and to vote yes in a referendum and then let all those clowns sit around a table for years deciding who gets what is about the worst possible thing anyone could do. It's reckless.
Mmm, I could write a book on that one. Alex Salmond is an ego maniac and opportunist, most politicians are, but he's taken his ego mania to a level that will do possibly irreparable damage to the UK if followed through to its logical conclusion. That they're totally inept is easily proven by Kenny MacAskill releasing a Libyan terrorist from prison, after the government spent millions getting him into a special Scottish court established in the Netherlands. Like I said, Donald Dewar, the architect of the Scotland Act, thought Salmond was an ego maniac and this is a guy who did as much if not more for Scotland than the SNP has ever done. And as for "good riddance", I wish the same to all regional political parties that advocate demolishing a perfectly good country, the Bloc included.
No, it's not, because it made a modicum of sense, whereas Scotland separating makes no sense at all.
Look, they're about as similar as similar gets really, the francophones in Québec were discriminated against, no doubt about it, which causes resentment and then De Gaulle came over and gave his stupid speech which stirred it all up (and even his staff thought he was nuts). Hence the start of the separatist movement.
Scotland is pretty much the same deal, they don't like being condescended to by the English and they're right to feel condescended to. The English in particular still suffer from a delusion that they actually matter in the world, as demonstrated by Nigel Farage's endless stupid speeches on the subject. In reality no-one cares anymore what the British think and haven't since at least the end of the Cold War if not before. I can quite understand why the Scottish want to distance themselves from the English mindset. But you don't have to split up the country!
You actually have a situation now where they're trying to scare Scottish voters by saying they'll have to use the Euro... er... so basically, using middle England populism to scare the Scottish, this is what it has come to. Given that at some point the UK probably will have to use the Euro, how is this helpful? Using illogical scare tactics to combat illogic. Brilliant.
And then I see Salmond saying woohoo, we're going to introduce airgun licensing and it will work because there will be border checks with England... oh but hang on... no there won't be border checks because that will lose them the referendum... so which is it, exactly?
Basically, they're all talking a load of utter bullshit and to vote yes in a referendum and then let all those clowns sit around a table for years deciding who gets what is about the worst possible thing anyone could do. It's reckless.
It's easier to make a case for an independent country when you have a history of being an independent nation and aren't merely a province. Also when you have a higher GDP per capita (Quebec's is lower than most other provinces, Scotland's is higher than the majority of areas of the UK).
As for your opinion of the SNP, most Scottish people actually think they've done a fairly good job with the restricted powers they have been given. This includes many NO voters. It was shown when the SNP actually managed to win a majority in the 2011 elections after their first term as a minority govt, and continue to win elections across the board (e.g the recent EU elections). You won't find many Scottish people wishing them a good riddance. They'll continue to be voted in, even after a no vote.
Sep 4th 2014, 2:17 pm
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Re: WILL our kingdom stay united?
I did want a yes vote for the lulz. Now I'm not that fussed because a no will cause many bitter tears and the meltdowns will be funny too.
Sep 4th 2014, 2:37 pm
#74
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Re: WILL our kingdom stay united?
My opinion, which you are all entitled too as you know, is that Scotland should get together with Quebec and form the supreme country of scroungers and whiners.
That way we can share in the joy of our English relatives who are still lucky enough to live in the land of Hope and Glory.
Right I need another glass of Pinot Grigio!
That way we can share in the joy of our English relatives who are still lucky enough to live in the land of Hope and Glory.
Right I need another glass of Pinot Grigio!
Sep 4th 2014, 7:36 pm
#75
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Re: WILL our kingdom stay united?
The Scots should definitely go as as they feel so hard done by. They don't seem to have grasped that there will be no more free money. That was the impression given by those presented on the TV news, which may have been one-sided.
