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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by mandymoochops
(Post 10422308)
Yes and I laughed very hard at that one, but she took it in her stride and thats what most pertetrators of pranks expect the recipient to do. (though /i do realise that the deer cll wasn't a prank) I won't say victim because a prank is supposed to be lighthearted, and people rightly of wrongly assume the person that it's played on, can take it.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 10422318)
Like everything it comes down to not being a dick.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 10422298)
It depends on the prank and the individual. Plenty of people can laugh at themselves.
It wasn't a prank but Donna the Deer Lady must have felt a bit foolish after her radio phone-in complaint. Yet she went back on the radio after. :rofl: Ah yes, not be a dick |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
All nurses are accountable to the NCC. Who would probably revoked her registration, for breach of confidentiality. This would lead to her being unable to work as a nurse. The poor woman had children to support, plus the constant humiliation of being "that nurse".
The idiots in Australia should have thought through the actions of their " prank" before picking up the phone. Playing with someone's livelyhood is not funny at all. Their are 2 children without a mother, because they wanted to get a cheap laugh. Shame on them, and all who listened to the recording. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by Miss Clinique
(Post 10423383)
All nurses are accountable to the NCC. Who would probably revoked her registration, for breach of confidentiality. This would lead to her being unable to work as a nurse. The poor woman had children to support, plus the constant humiliation of being "that nurse".
The idiots in Australia should have thought through the actions of their " prank" before picking up the phone. Playing with someone's livelyhood is not funny at all. Their are 2 children without a mother, because they wanted to get a cheap laugh. Shame on them, and all who listened to the recording. As I said before the nurse who did give out information thought she was talking to a family member and if prior consent has been given by the patient then there is no breach. Some hospitals do not allow any information to be given by phone except in exceptional circumstances. The concerns for disciplinary action would be whether or not hospital procedures and professional guidelines were followed. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
I see now that Scotland Yard detectives now want to speak to the two DJs.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10423460)
She did not breach any confidentiality though. The NMC Nursing and Midwifery Council is the regulatory body. Who are the NCC?
As I said before the nurse who did give out information thought she was talking to a family member and if prior consent has been given by the patient then there is no breach. Some hospitals do not allow any information to be given by phone except in exceptional circumstances. The concerns for disciplinary action would be whether or not hospital procedures and professional guidelines were followed. NCC = iPad typo. My daughter in the uk has been a nurse for 16 years, she tells stories of nurses who have had their registration revoked for less. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/d...djs-prank-call
These two are an absolute disgrace. This isn't just about this prank call but other incidents besides (see link). "Saddened"? What about a compete apology and resignation? Their careers are finished anyway I guess. The radio station itself should be investigated for allowing a pre-recorded prank call like that to go out; it's not just these two that are to blame. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by London Mike
(Post 10424459)
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/d...djs-prank-call
These two are an absolute disgrace. This isn't just about this prank call but other incidents besides (see link). "Saddened"? What about a compete apology and resignation? Their careers are finished anyway I guess. The radio station itself should be investigated for allowing a pre-recorded prank call like that to go out; it's not just these two that are to blame. IF the nurse hadn't died, it would have been an expose into how could a silly call have gotten out through and the two dj's would likely have been seen as doing the nation a favour (not quite but you know what I mean) on hilighting how easy it is get through to a royal ward. As it stands now, one woman is dead, 2 dj's careers will be finished, the radio station tarnished and probably a whole host of other things we don't know about. And yes the press take blame, but seriously, this was always going to be news. What about when that guy broke into Buckingham palace??? (OK yes more severe I get that)???? That was news, did any of the royal staff die / top themselves because they allowed him to get in there ??? No idea but you can bet they got more of a roasting than that nurse did. You can't expect to understand how someone will react when on the recieving end of what she probably presumed would have been a career ending mistake, but can you really go around calling for things to be banned for fear of the butterfly effect???? |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Nobody should do anything just in case it turns out unexpectedly.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 10424526)
Nobody should do anything just in case it turns out unexpectedly.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by Miss Clinique
(Post 10424268)
NCC = iPad typo.
My daughter in the uk has been a nurse for 16 years, she tells stories of nurses who have had their registration revoked for less. These are the main reasons that a nurse can have impaired fitness to practice. From the NMC website.
It's interesting looking through them, none of them are for trivial matters and most are for a series of events. I can see why the woman was worried out of her mind. I know that when something goes wrong the thought that a complaint might lead to being struck off is always there and misinformation about what kind of act would result in this only compounds it. In 40 years I have only come across one colleague who was referred and she was drunk at work. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10424532)
She has some unfortunate contacts then. What can be less than doing nothing wrong?
These are the main reasons that a nurse can have impaired fitness to practice. From the NMC website. So lack of competence or misconduct would have to be proven. This is usually more than one incident unless serious, such as endangering life or limb It's interesting looking through them, none of them are for trivial matters and most are for a series of events. I can see why the woman was worried out of her mind. I know that when something goes wrong the thought that a complaint might lead to being struck off is always there and misinformation about what kind of act would result in this only compounds it. In 40 years I have only come across one colleague who was referred and she was drunk at work. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by mandymoochops
(Post 10424596)
I reckon thats what it was, and with social media spreading it like wildfire she probably blamed herself way more than others would have.
I see the Mail is being hypocritical as usual. Indignant over the issue and yet publishing photos and names of the family. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by mandymoochops
(Post 10424520)
The thing is though no one could have seen the repercussions would go so far.
IF the nurse hadn't died, it would have been an expose into how could a silly call have gotten out through and the two dj's would likely have been seen as doing the nation a favour (not quite but you know what I mean) on hilighting how easy it is get through to a royal ward. As it stands now, one woman is dead, 2 dj's careers will be finished, the radio station tarnished and probably a whole host of other things we don't know about. And yes the press take blame, but seriously, this was always going to be news. What about when that guy broke into Buckingham palace??? (OK yes more severe I get that)???? That was news, did any of the royal staff die / top themselves because they allowed him to get in there ??? No idea but you can bet they got more of a roasting than that nurse did. You can't expect to understand how someone will react when on the recieving end of what she probably presumed would have been a career ending mistake, but can you really go around calling for things to be banned for fear of the butterfly effect???? "Some fat slag on news.com.au has already branded it a disaster," he said. "You can tell by reading the article that she just hates us and has always hated us. What a fat, bitter thing you are. You're deputy editor of an online thing. You've got a nothing job anyway. You're a piece of shit. This low thing, Alison Stephenson, deputy editor of news.com.au online. You're supposed to be impartial, you little troll." |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
If there is blame to be laid anywhere, it should be at the Palace and security advisors. Yes, the nurse screwed up, but having the pressure of the mother with the sprog of the future king in your hospital, would doubtless make us all a little tense. The Palace security must deal with this rubbish on a daily basis, why oh why had they not thought of this. During a period when it would appear that anyone with a faint glimmer of 'celebrity' can be hacked, surely a screening process could have been instigated for a wing of a hospital. I have screwed up big time a couple of times in life, stupid things, but they still bother me if in a glum mood... the life of this young woman would have been dreadful after this shabby affair.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
The daft part of all of this is everybody is looking for somebody to blame....
For what !!!!! A sequence of events that nobody could have predicted ? In your wildest dreams you couldn't map this risk out before hand... No blame... no issue.... |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 10427439)
The daft part of all of this is everybody is looking for somebody to blame....
For what !!!!! A sequence of events that nobody could have predicted ? In your wildest dreams you couldn't map this risk out before hand... No blame... no issue.... |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by MillieF
(Post 10427414)
If there is blame to be laid anywhere, it should be at the Palace and security advisors. Yes, the nurse screwed up, but having the pressure of the mother with the sprog of the future king in your hospital, would doubtless make us all a little tense. The Palace security must deal with this rubbish on a daily basis, why oh why had they not thought of this. During a period when it would appear that anyone with a faint glimmer of 'celebrity' can be hacked, surely a screening process could have been instigated for a wing of a hospital. I have screwed up big time a couple of times in life, stupid things, but they still bother me if in a glum mood... the life of this young woman would have been dreadful after this shabby affair.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by magnumpi
(Post 10427470)
Is this the end of comedy as we know it. Every one who is a target at Yuk Yuks or on the Standup show could, in theory, go off and kill themselves.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
What's the difference between the temperature and a joke?
A nurse can take a temperature.... |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10427504)
This is true, which is why practical jokes and mocking people for a laugh are not humour, they are bullying.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10427499)
How about the hospital telling staff that Royalty do not use landlines.
No, I don't think this is the death of comedy...or hopefully the sick joke, we need those sometimes to put things Into perspective, this was evidently just a dreadful set of circumstances. It's all very sad....but Jings's joke is still funny! |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10427504)
This is true, which is why practical jokes and mocking people for a laugh are not humour, they are bullying.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by MillieF
(Post 10427670)
Yes, this would be a possible....but I don't know how Royalty communicate?
No, I don't think this is the death of comedy...or hopefully the sick joke, we need those sometimes to put things Into perspective, this was evidently just a dreadful set of circumstances. It's all very sad....but Jings's joke is still funny! The prank was cruel but the DJs can't be held responsible for her suicide. They certainly showed a crass sense of humour but that's what they were paid to do. The radio station's managers and lawyers approved the broadcast, it wasn't live, so they have some responsibility too. The hospital should not allow anyone to work switchboard, or do any task, without ensuring that they know procedures. If they didn't have procedures then they are at fault, they say that the nurses were not being disciplined then This hospital is well used to having royals as patients and visitors so really should have this down pat. I don't like the witch hunt that's happening now, have a look at the tabloids, especially the Mail, they're hounding the DJs. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
So how do you deal with a call like this.
I believe the call was made at 5.30 am in the morning. Did the number show up on call display or is Liz blocking her number? Now I know its hindsight but surely most people might be thinking would Liz make a call at that time in the morning. Knowing some of the people I work with the call would have been answered something like this Hello/Bonjour Canada Border Services can I help you Hi this is the Queen and Prince Phillip calling about Kate Can I have a number and I will get the Dr to call you back or Really do you know my name? No Well **** off and stop messing around click Unfortunately section 107 of the Customs Act does not allow me to give out those details however if you would like to fax me a written request I will forward that on to the appropriate officer. Hold on for one moment while I get a supervisor (after all thats why they get paid the big bucks). Whats the betting now that protocols are in place to deal with phone calls allegedly made by the PM or any Royals. Career limiting moves maybe but even hanging up on the Queen isnt a sacking offence. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 10427744)
So how do you deal with a call like this.
I believe the call was made at 5.30 am in the morning. Did the number show up on call display or is Liz blocking her number? Now I know its hindsight but surely most people might be thinking would Liz make a call at that time in the morning. Knowing some of the people I work with the call would have been answered something like this Hello/Bonjour Canada Border Services can I help you Hi this is the Queen and Prince Phillip calling about Kate Can I have a number and I will get the Dr to call you back or Really do you know my name? No Well **** off and stop messing around click Unfortunately section 107 of the Customs Act does not allow me to give out those details however if you would like to fax me a written request I will forward that on to the appropriate officer. Hold on for one moment while I get a supervisor (after all thats why they get paid the big bucks). Whats the betting now that protocols are in place to deal with phone calls allegedly made by the PM or any Royals. Career limiting moves maybe but even hanging up on the Queen isnt a sacking offence. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10427764)
Didn't a prankster in Canada once have a conversation with the Queen, in french, about the potential separation of Quebec?
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
There's a bit to much hysteria about this story if you ask me.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10427703)
The prank was cruel .
The call from what I heard on 1010 wasn't cruel in any way... bad accents maybe... but cruel no......... This is an after the fact spin on the call in order to load the argument |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 10427764)
Didn't a prankster in Canada once have a conversation with the Queen, in french, about the potential separation of Quebec?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...-death-dj.html I can't believe there's talk of charging the two Aussies. If me and my friends got jailtime for pranks we played we'd be lifers. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 10427786)
Im betting even Liz knows how to say **** off in French :rofl:
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
So even coppers cant have a sense of humour. I found this article to be rather amusing and by doing this has probably made more people aware of the road conditions rather than the usual warnings given.
FFS some people just need to lighten up. Kudos to the copper(s) who thought this up however some surprise that a copper would know the lyrics to Ice Ice Baby :lol: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-Twitter.html Although it is Surrey so one could expect the range rover berber jacket crowd not to be amused. |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 10427793)
In what way....
The call from what I heard on 1010 wasn't cruel in any way... bad accents maybe... but cruel no......... This is an after the fact spin on the call in order to load the argument What argument do you think I am loading BTW? |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10427850)
depends on how you view practical jokes. I think they are all cruel as the humour depends on humiliating someone.
What argument do you think I am loading BTW? With out the cruelty it would become pointless even futile.... |
Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10427850)
depends on how you view practical jokes. I think they are all cruel as the humour depends on humiliating someone.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 10427864)
I don't think you can fairly dismiss all practical jokes as cruel... most of the time the "victim" is as amused as the onlookers. There are numerous "candid camera" TV shows based on that premise.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
I don't like practical jokes, personally, just not my sense of humour but I think people should have the right to make them. I support the Ocker DJs.
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 10427917)
you have no choice but to look amused do you?
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Re: When a "prank" turns out horribly wrong
Originally Posted by R I C H
(Post 10427962)
Free will doesn't exist?
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