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Butch Cassidy Dec 20th 2009 4:05 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Tanja87 (Post 8187253)
Well, in Canada I wouldn't want to live in some little log cabin in the woods but looking on real estate sites there are rural areas with the kind of thing we were thinking of (and very affordable) close to larger cities!

Cant speak for many other places but here in Alberta those rural places close to major cities are often on smaller roads which may NOT be totally cleared of snow in the winter, have deer, elk and moose running across them, are unlit, are used by Trucks that may not be travelling as fast you are but still cant be passed because of the traffic ahead or oncoming.
As an example the Transcanada (the MAJOR highway from Calgary to Vancouver) is largely a two lane road (thats one lane in each direction) from east of Lake Louise to Kamloops (and possibly beyond) a 4-5 hour journey!!!

Originally Posted by Tanja87 (Post 8187253)
We were looking at the Maritimes as well, so I realise the "bears and mountains" wilderness doesn't apply for that area, but we could always go on holiday in other parts of Canada. That's another thing against the UK - you need a ferry or plane to take you off this little island if you want to see anything new.... No doubt there are gorgeous places in the UK (haven't visited any of them in my 3 years here though :() but it just isn't the same...

The Maritimes is a lovely place, but MAJOR cities??? Calgary is the fourth(?) largest city in Canada and has (approx) 1.2 million Residents, Driving between place is NOT that easy or convenient (although yes you get used to it) Vancouver to Calgary (the next 'major' city) is 12 hours, Calgary to Regina is 8 hours, regina winnipeg is 6.5, winnipeg-toronto is 24 hours (21 if you go via the states) are you getting the idea???

lancashirebird Dec 20th 2009 4:06 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 8187277)


Parts of Canada (AB?) require $$$ for the huge house and land, Not sure what Mandys place would cost, but I'm in the process of buying a similar property (about an hour south of Mandy) and thats (to me) CHEAP, I looked around the general area where Mandy is and properties were almost identical prices (give or take). Go 45 minutes west (but still east of Calgary) and prices go up by around 40-50%, go SW or W of Calgary and equivalent properties are more than double. Again I'm sure you could find 'wilderness' properties in the UK (or Europe) for similar prices.

Big house and land, ts the dream in it? 4 months? Six in some places
Again its location relative, in parts of Alberta properties would set you back more than parts of the BC interior.

And then you can go further south to our area, some real cheap rural propertys, but then you have to think of hauling your water, waste tank, power that goes off regular and dial up internet (and that is 20mins outside of our city)...........plus if you have kids ((i know u dont butch)) then there is schooling, some communities are not what we would expect.........or you then you home school ;)
You also need to look at the emergency services, something we never even would of looked at before, but living outside the city limits brings joys and downers.
Living inner city is nice (we live in lethbridge, so smaller than calgary)
I know people from all over, coaldale,coalhurst,taber etcetc and most of the smaller places come into the city to shop;)
I would say it depends on the reason you are moving, alot of stuff sucks in canada, but then alot sucks about the uk and other countrys :eek:

The advise i always give is come and try it, you may hate it, you may love it, but only you can make your mind up, everyone is different.
To live where mandy lives would be my nightmare, but mandy loves it...........(nothing against you mandy i was using you as an example :rofl::rofl:)

The other thing, you can sit there in xxxx years to come and say "what if we had tried canada" :confused::confused::confused:

Butch Cassidy Dec 20th 2009 4:07 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Tanja87 (Post 8187297)
OK, as I said we were thinking about the Maritimes so all this "AB and BC are so expensive" is pointless banter - sorry! And trust me, I do realise that it is a LOAD of work owning land, but that's what we want!! That's what it's all about for us - a different quality of life!!!! And most people on here seem to agree with my idea of living in Canada providing you with a better quality of life! You guys certainly do, otherwise why would you be there?!

Did you know cost of living is higher in Halifax (NS) than Calgary?????

Butch Cassidy Dec 20th 2009 4:09 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by lancashirebird (Post 8187305)
And then you can go further south to our area, some real cheap rural propertys, but then you have to think of hauling your water, waste tank, power that goes off regular and dial up internet (and that is 20mins outside of our city)...........plus if you have kids ((i know u dont butch)) then there is schooling, some communities are not what we would expect.........or you then you home school ;)
You also need to look at the emergency services, something we never even would of looked at before, but living outside the city limits brings joys and downers.
Living inner city is nice (we live in lethbridge, so smaller than calgary)
I know people from all over, coaldale,coalhurst,taber etcetc and most of the smaller places come into the city to shop;)
I would say it depends on the reason you are moving, alot of stuff sucks in canada, but then alot sucks about the uk and other countrys :eek:

The advise i always give is come and try it, you may hate it, you may love it, but only you can make your mind up, everyone is different.
To live where mandy lives would be my nightmare, but mandy loves it...........(nothing against you mandy i was using you as an example :rofl::rofl:)

The other thing, you can sit there in xxxx years to come and say "what if we had tried canada" :confused::confused::confused:

Again LB makes some VERY good points (although I disagree I could buy cheaper where she is then I just got my new place for :p)

bodgerx Dec 20th 2009 4:13 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by ann m (Post 8187266)

The costs of actually flying to other parts of Canada are virtually prohibitive. I can get to Heathrow for about the same as it would cost me to get to Halifax.

I'm not sure that's true. I did some research on this sort of thing lately for a variety of reasons.

If you were going from Calgary (this March for argument's sake). According to Kayak:

-> Halifax $485 (return including tax)
-> London (Heathrow) $969 (return including tax)

These are best prices across multiple airlines.

Tanja87 Dec 20th 2009 4:15 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 
I guess if we are really considering the move we just have to give it a go - maybe not right now but when our chances for PR are a bit better so if we love it we can do it. And if not at least we'll know it's not for us...

dboy Dec 20th 2009 4:16 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by ann m (Post 8187266)
If you cannot get your head around the difference in the weather between Scotland and England, you are in for a big shock with Canada :p

The costs of actually flying to other parts of Canada are virtually prohibitive. I can get to Heathrow for about the same as it would cost me to get to Halifax. A long weekend to Vancouver either involves 10 hour drive there (and then back again) or $$$$ in flights. We don't have that sort of cash (yet!). It would be easier and much cheaper to get on the Chunnel and have a long weekend in Bruges or Paris (and they have better chocolate and architecture too ;)).

The reality of living rurally or in the wilderness, or even on an acreage, are very different from the dream, I think. Friends of ours have recently moved from here to Ottawa, onto a 4 acre property. Suddenly the lack of neighbours, the amount of snow, the reliance on vehicles, the need to dig yourself a drive-way and the open-ness to wildlife is a huge wake up call.

There - are we helping with your glasses yet? :sneaky:

one time - i had the option of flying from regina to manchester at half the price of a guy who i worked with who lived in new found land.... i guess it comes down to charter flights.

ture about the isolation, it really gets lost on people how big this place is. vancouver island is bigger than wales!

Butch Cassidy Dec 20th 2009 4:23 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by bodgerx (Post 8187317)
I'm not sure that's true. I did some research on this sort of thing lately for a variety of reasons.

If you were going from Calgary (this March for argument's sake). According to Kayak:

-> Halifax $485 (return including tax)
-> London (Heathrow) $969 (return including tax)

These are best prices across multiple airlines.

http://www.canadianaffair.ca/book/li.../atopgweb.aspx
YYC-LGW $661 return
http://www.expedia.ca/pub/agent.dll?...=1&rfrr=-55055
YYC-Halifax $751

Same dates

bodgerx Dec 20th 2009 4:28 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 8187331)

My Halifax price is better than both those...

Butch Cassidy Dec 20th 2009 4:29 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by bodgerx (Post 8187338)
My Halifax price is better than both those...

post links then

bodgerx Dec 20th 2009 4:34 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 
It is difficult to link from Kayak. See if this works for you:

http://www.kayak.com/book/flight?cod...869532489&sr=1

Butch Cassidy Dec 20th 2009 4:42 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by bodgerx (Post 8187345)
It is difficult to link from Kayak. See if this works for you:

http://www.kayak.com/book/flight?cod...869532489&sr=1

Sorry, but this flight is no longer valid.

The search results on most travel web sites expire after 15 minutes. If these results are much older than that, try running your search again to get fresh results.

Lord Vader Dec 20th 2009 4:48 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Tanja87 (Post 8187297)
OK, as I said we were thinking about the Maritimes so all this "AB and BC are so expensive" is pointless banter - sorry! And trust me, I do realise that it is a LOAD of work owning land, but that's what we want!! That's what it's all about for us - a different quality of life!!!! And most people on here seem to agree with my idea of living in Canada providing you with a better quality of life! You guys certainly do, otherwise why would you be there?!

Offering advice as well as the negatives and positives about the costs of living and especially the distances between different areas of the country is what I find most new comers tend to under estimate. Halifax NS is closer to London UK than to Vancouver BC for example. The country is regionally and geographically diverse. Many of the laws/regulations are provincially based. The costs of housing vary greatly between provinces, within provinces and within the cities themselves.

There are no castles in Canada and there is not much in the way of older buildings and older architecture, the country is 142 years old, I think the queen of the UK is older than that. Stupid things like the audacity of Canada not to have British supermarkets or the fact that Canadians are not going to start doing things the way the newcomer wants them to do comes across as arrogant and will likely place that person in a position of not having many friends, there is a direct correlation between the two. Incessant whining about things being different wears thin fast. You are in a different country on a different continent, get over it.

From what I gather Tanja87, you are a German living in the UK, so I assume that you are well aware that different countries are different. Good luck with what you decide.

Tanja87 Dec 20th 2009 4:57 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 
Thanks Lord Vader :)

Tangram Dec 20th 2009 5:00 am

Re: What sucks about Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Lord Vader (Post 8187365)
Incessant whining about things being different wears thin fast. You are in a different country on a different continent, get over it.

Erm, have I misunderstood the thread title ? I haven't actually mentioned anything that sucks, so I guess I did misunderstand and stated quite clearly that I liked it here. But there is no harm in injecting some realism. Yes ?


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