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Novocastrian Sep 22nd 2016 7:04 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd (Post 12058978)
Added to that travelling accross the Atlantic is a HUGE event, whereas for us expats.....its just another trip thats been done many times before.

I remember my first flight across the Atlantic, in 1977, en route from Cambridge to Riverside, California.

It seemed very HUGE to me at the time. Have a bit of understanding for your friends back in the UK.

cxx Sep 22nd 2016 7:25 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 12059094)
It's always the lack of funds people bring not helped by the weak pound that pisses me off.

They seem to think it's an all inclusive when they arrive.

Agree. The in-laws expected to dictate what we ate at home but never offered to contribute to the shopping bill. They only offered to pay for one or two meals out because they insisted on a particular restaurant, and then we had to pay the tip as they didn't get that!

BristolUK Sep 22nd 2016 7:39 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 12059094)
It's always the lack of funds people bring not helped by the weak pound that pisses me off.
They seem to think it's an all inclusive when they arrive.


Originally Posted by cxx (Post 12059122)
Agree. The in-laws expected to dictate what we ate at home...

That's going too far but someone who pays the airfare to come and see me, I'm going to house and feed them within reason.

cxx Sep 22nd 2016 8:35 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12059129)
That's going too far but someone who pays the airfare to come and see me, I'm going to house and feed them within reason.

Just offering would have been nice, then we'd have said no, even though we paid the airfare.

thistlehollyberry Sep 22nd 2016 8:36 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 
They didn't like how the vegetables were cooked - i.e. they wanted mush, didn't like how I prepared salad, wanted steak instead of pork chops. I just didn't cook dinner one night - they dined on beer and potato chips.

thistlehollyberry Sep 22nd 2016 8:38 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by cxx (Post 12059173)
Just offering would have been nice, then we'd have said no, even though we paid the airfare.

Wow, that's bad.

Oakvillian Sep 22nd 2016 8:53 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by thistlehollyberry (Post 12059174)
I just didn't cook dinner one night - they dined on beer and potato chips.

One semi-regular house guest is excellent value in this regard. She and my OH have known each other since they were knee-high to the proverbial grasshopper. We almost always lay in supplies of "portable comestibles," i.e. bar snacks, and our guest (who is single, well paid, and has much more expensive taste in wine than I do) will absolutely without fail insist that one of her first trips out is to the LCBO, where she will purchase appropriate supplies. At least twice there has been a conversation with the checkout clerk to the effect that she hopes we have a great party, and is staggered that what we are buying is just to see the three of us through the weekend :)

Nobody cooks supper. We eat decent cheese, olives, assorted cured meats, interesting crackers, and drink wine. Sometimes we remember to feed the children...

thistlehollyberry Sep 22nd 2016 9:09 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 
Nobody cooks supper. We eat decent cheese, olives, assorted cured meats, interesting crackers, and drink wine. Sometimes we remember to feed the children...

that is great for a weekend - three weeks necessitates cooking.

Siouxie Sep 22nd 2016 9:52 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 12059103)
I remember my first flight across the Atlantic, in 1977, en route from Cambridge to Riverside, California.

It seemed very HUGE to me at the time. Have a bit of understanding for your friends back in the UK.

My first flight ever was to South Africa back in 74 (I think it was 12 hours), but I think the most overwhelming was the first flight to Hong Kong - 15/16 hours - via somewhere in the Middle East. After 8 hours I had had enough but still had another 7-8 to go!

As for visitors, I've only had one - my sister - 10 years ago.

:(

BristolUK Sep 22nd 2016 10:34 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 12059192)
Nobody cooks supper. We eat decent cheese, olives, assorted cured meats, interesting crackers, and drink wine. Sometimes we remember to feed the children...

It's nice to do something like that. We aim for just after xmas and then repeat (with added horse doovers) until the supplies run out ;)


Originally Posted by Siouxie (Post 12059250)
As for visitors, I've only had one - my sister - 10 years ago.

I paid for my mum to come over for the first summer in our new house and the first winter. 2005.

She and my wife really didn't get on. By the time my wife was ready to bite her tongue/let bygones etc there was no spare money to bring her over and she couldn't afford it either.

I totally get the "have to be here long enough for it to be worth it" but while it's a great place to live, there's not enough in Moncton to keep someone entertained after such a trip.

Even when me and a mate visited his dad in Saint John in 75, the time was spent touring PEI and NS with a week in Montreal/Toronto/Niagara in the middle. Most of the rest of the time we were out on his dad's boat Tich.

I've invited (more hinted) brothers to come over and help with snow clearing. :lol:

Pom_Chch Sep 22nd 2016 10:46 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 
I still have the horrible memories etched on my brain after having to organize dinner for my parents when my step dad is a the worlds most fussiest eater! Doesn't like garlic, no pasta or rice, only roast potatoes/chips (not boiled, mashed etc), barely any veggies, no fish. Essentially mine and my partners whole diet he would not eat! Three weeks of that (I think the local liquor store were loving the amount of wine I had to buy to drown it all out :drinkwine: )

Pom_Chch Sep 22nd 2016 10:50 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Mr Bean (Post 12058357)
The only things that irritate me are everyone sits around and waits for me to get home to cook, and they all think we are on holiday too.

^^ This 100%!

Oink Sep 22nd 2016 11:36 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 
Most of you lot are really miserable bastards. :rofl:

dave_j Sep 22nd 2016 12:16 pm

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 12059306)
Most of you lot are really miserable bastards. :rofl:

My ideal visit:

Me miserable bastard: "Hello, nice to see you. Now go home!"

Partially discharged Sep 22nd 2016 1:11 pm

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 12059306)
Most of you lot are really miserable bastards. :rofl:

Reading this thread and the thread about people's recollections of their parents I can see a lot of correlation. I get the sense that many of the parents/siblings still in the UK felt obligated to visit their relatives now in Canada, did it once and then didn't feel obliged to do it again.

Oink Sep 22nd 2016 1:18 pm

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Partially discharged (Post 12059337)
Reading this thread and the thread about people's recollections of their parents I can see a lot of correlation. I get the sense that many of the parents/siblings still in the UK felt obligated to visit their relatives now in Canada, did it once and then didn't feel obliged to do it again.


Not surprised with their attitudes towards guests. :lol:
I don't get many people visiting here but when I lived on the east coast I had lots. It was great, I really appreciated them taking the time and making the effort to come. Plus, it was fun as I got to do things I wouldn't necessarily do in the city on my own, visit tourist places, go to nice restaurants and generally use their visit as an excuse to misbehave for a couple of weeks.

BristolUK Sep 22nd 2016 1:41 pm

Re: Visitor fatigue
 
In the other direction...

Back in the 70s I had a series of penfriends in the USA (the reason for my Seattle and NYC trip)

One of the others already had a trip to the UK planned but had been let down by someone they (she and her sister) were planning to stay with for part of their visit.

They hadn't budgeted for unexpected accommodation costs so phoned me and asked if they could come to Bristol for a couple of days before picking up their plans again.

I'm 19 and a couple of American girls ask if they can stay at my flat for a couple of days. Well, let me think....

Their first evening we were in a local park and my well meaning flat mate grabs a sister by the hand and runs off with her so I could have some "alone time" :ohmy:

Of course he ran off with the penfriend leaving me with the wrong sister.:nod:

scilly Sep 22nd 2016 4:37 pm

Re: Visitor fatigue
 
One advantage of growing old is that one's friends are also groring older, and much less likely to want to make the trip over here, especially now that air travel can be so darn uncomfortable. We're all of the age where we remember the fantastic travel by plane that existed in the late 1960s and 1970s, when we all moved out of the UK to different countries around the world, or regularly travelled overseas on sabbaticals, etc.

Those that do come, and the younger members of the family have to take us as they find us ........... and help out!

Having said that, we've had more than our fair share of visitors over the years! One year we had 8 visitors and the 3 of us sleeping in this 2 bedroom and basement house ........... 2 famil rooms were plenty for some of the kids to sleep on the floor!

My father only visited once before he died, he spent 3 weeks with us in a 1 bedroom apartment.

In-laws made a habit of trying to come every 2 years fro 3 weeks at a time until they retired, then it became 4 weeks. M-i-l even came for 6 weeks once after f-i-l died. Our saving grace with them was that after 1970, her daughter was married and living in small town 800 kms north of here, so they would divide the time equally between the two families, but ours was also split into half as they arrived and left from Vancouver!

The first visit by them was the funniest .............. by that time we had begun to cook as the Americans and Canadians did, ie, veggies crisp, meat medium to rare, etc. In-laws still cooked a la English 1940s/50s.

Result was all their friends and relations being told on their return "Poor xxxxx, his wife cannot cook at all"!!!!!!

Their second visit was about 18 months later, at Christmas time, for their daughter's marriage on Dec 22. As we were eating Christmas dinner at our house, m-i-l looked at OH eating sprouts, and commented "You must really like them like that! You never ate sprouts at home" :rflol:

By the time we next visited them, m-i-l had also changed the way she cooked :lol:


Our son-i-l is the only really picky eater we've had ....... he has to leave on his plate what he doesn't like or doesn't eat

Pom_Chch Sep 22nd 2016 5:00 pm

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 12059306)
Most of you lot are really miserable bastards. :rofl:

:nod: It's the visitors making me miserable!

scrubbedexpat091 Sep 22nd 2016 5:04 pm

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by scilly (Post 12059414)
One advantage of growing old is that one's friends are also groring older, and much less likely to want to make the trip over here, especially now that air travel can be so darn uncomfortable. We're all of the age where we remember the fantastic travel by plane that existed in the late 1960s and 1970s, when we all moved out of the UK to different countries around the world, or regularly travelled overseas on sabbaticals, etc.

Those that do come, and the younger members of the family have to take us as they find us ........... and help out!

Having said that, we've had more than our fair share of visitors over the years! One year we had 8 visitors and the 3 of us sleeping in this 2 bedroom and basement house ........... 2 famil rooms were plenty for some of the kids to sleep on the floor!

My father only visited once before he died, he spent 3 weeks with us in a 1 bedroom apartment.

In-laws made a habit of trying to come every 2 years fro 3 weeks at a time until they retired, then it became 4 weeks. M-i-l even came for 6 weeks once after f-i-l died. Our saving grace with them was that after 1970, her daughter was married and living in small town 800 kms north of here, so they would divide the time equally between the two families, but ours was also split into half as they arrived and left from Vancouver!

The first visit by them was the funniest .............. by that time we had begun to cook as the Americans and Canadians did, ie, veggies crisp, meat medium to rare, etc. In-laws still cooked a la English 1940s/50s.

Result was all their friends and relations being told on their return "Poor xxxxx, his wife cannot cook at all"!!!!!!

Their second visit was about 18 months later, at Christmas time, for their daughter's marriage on Dec 22. As we were eating Christmas dinner at our house, m-i-l looked at OH eating sprouts, and commented "You must really like them like that! You never ate sprouts at home" :rflol:

By the time we next visited them, m-i-l had also changed the way she cooked :lol:


Our son-i-l is the only really picky eater we've had ....... he has to leave on his plate what he doesn't like or doesn't eat


This is the biggest issue I have when visiting anyone, I am a very picky and selective eater, so I try and avoid eating at others homes unless they know me and make something I will eat.

cxx Sep 23rd 2016 2:10 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Pom_Chch (Post 12059422)
:nod: It's the visitors making me miserable!

Totally agree! Probably wouldn't mind visitors so much if I actually liked them, but I don't like the in-laws, and I liked them even less after spending 3 weeks with them! We'd come home from work to people who'd done nothing all day then expect to either be cooked for or taken out for dinner - it was so tiring.

beckiwoo Sep 23rd 2016 2:21 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by cxx (Post 12059122)
then we had to pay the tip as they didn't get that!

Wow! When in Rome and all that. Guessing they are the tipping sort...

beckiwoo Sep 23rd 2016 2:24 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12059423)
This is the biggest issue I have when visiting anyone, I am a very picky and selective eater, so I try and avoid eating at others homes unless they know me and make something I will eat.

Im the opposite, I'll eat almost anything with the exception of anything with raisens in it. This can cause awkwardness if anyone brings me/makes me a muffin/coffee/cake with them in - it's like do I tell them or do I eat the terrible things OR do I just pick them out. Yuk!

BristolUK Sep 23rd 2016 2:38 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12059767)
Im the opposite, I'll eat almost anything with the exception of anything with raisens in it

Is that about the taste or something else?

I like them but sometimes the contrast in texture isn't good. In Muesli it's fine because most of it is chewy or I can munch on a mouthful, but in, say, Two Scoops Raisin Bran the chewiness within the crunchiness doesn't work for me.

A fruit and nut chocolate bar is fab and so is rum and raisin choc or ice cream :thumbup:

beckiwoo Sep 23rd 2016 2:53 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12059782)
Is that about the taste or something else?


I thinks it's the texture and chewyness.

They also look like rabbit droppings to me

It's a nightmare when I get offered a cookie and playing sherlock holmes to determine if it's chocolate chips or raisens

It's an ongoing struggle lol

Shard Sep 23rd 2016 3:06 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 
I'm similar with raisins, though oddly, no problem with Craisins (dried cranberries) and a big fan of grapes.

Depending on the situation, I would either decline the cake by saying I can't eat raisins or in less social settings, just remove them.

Novocastrian Sep 23rd 2016 3:14 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 
r

Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12059790)

It's a nightmare when I get offered a cookie and playing sherlock holmes to determine if it's chocolate chips or raisens

It's an ongoing struggle lol

Raisins are just dried grapes you know. A lot better for you than chocolate chips.

bats Sep 23rd 2016 3:18 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 12059806)
r

Raisins are just dried grapes you know. A lot better for you than chocolate chips.

Currants, raisins, sultanas, grapes, wine. I think the message here is that less dehydrated a grape is the better it is.

Souvy Sep 23rd 2016 3:19 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 12059806)
r

Raisins are just dried grapes you know. A lot better for you than chocolate chips.

You do realise that you are talking to a woman, don't you?

As for raisins, how can they be good for you. They come out looking the same as they went in. Like peas or corn. Or tomatoes, come to think of it.

beckiwoo Sep 23rd 2016 3:31 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 12059806)
r

Raisins are just dried grapes you know. A lot better for you than chocolate chips.

So...

Doesn't mean I have to eat them.

What a bizarre comment!

plasticcanuck Sep 23rd 2016 6:47 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 
There's many mean spirited people posting on this thread. It you don't want friends/relatives staying with you then have the testicular fortitude to tell them NO.

BristolUK Sep 23rd 2016 7:05 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by beckiwoo (Post 12059790)
They also look like rabbit droppings to me

It's a nightmare when I get offered a cookie and playing sherlock holmes to determine if it's chocolate chips or raisens

I thought you were going to say you had to work out whether a cookie contained chocolate chips or rabbit droppings and who would serve you such a thing. :ohmy: :rofl:

BristolUK Sep 23rd 2016 7:06 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by plasticcanuck (Post 12059961)
There's many mean spirited people posting on this thread. It you don't want friends/relatives staying with you then have the testicular fortitude to tell them NO.

Wouldn't that be rather mean spirited?

beckiwoo Sep 23rd 2016 7:10 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12059979)
I thought you were going to say you had to work out whether a cookie contained chocolate chips or rabbit droppings and who would serve you such a thing. :ohmy: :rofl:

Lol Im sure my worst enemy would

plasticcanuck Sep 23rd 2016 10:40 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12059981)
Wouldn't that be rather mean spirited?

Yes, somewhat, but at least one wouldn't be squirming and rolling eyes every time the visitor entered your company or spoke to you. Perhaps you'd be afraid that you would cutoff your supply of free accommodation when visiting the U.K. 😱😱😱

BristolUK Sep 23rd 2016 10:47 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by plasticcanuck (Post 12060134)
Perhaps you'd be afraid that you would cutoff your supply of free accommodation when visiting the U.K. 😱😱😱

I've never been back and have no plans to.

Personal and misplaced dig aside, aren't you rather missing the point about families? Good and bad parts, rough with the smooth and all that.

Pom_Chch Sep 23rd 2016 10:47 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by plasticcanuck (Post 12059961)
There's many mean spirited people posting on this thread. It you don't want friends/relatives staying with you then have the testicular fortitude to tell them NO.

I'm too chicken sh1t to say no. I would love to say eff off after 3 days please but what comes out of my mouth is more like "sounds great, stay as long as you like." :banghead:

bats Sep 23rd 2016 10:52 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 
I like my visitors, the current one especially but it is tiring trying to be a good host and tour guide. I don't keep in touch with people I don't like so they wouldn't be asking to visit.

Shard Sep 23rd 2016 11:01 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 12060143)
I like my visitors, the current one especially but it is tiring trying to be a good host and tour guide. I don't keep in touch with people I don't like so they wouldn't be asking to visit.

What about those friends from whom you may have drifted apart, and don't necessarily want to see, but who are keen to visit you (for their own convenience)? I have one like that, I don't wish to be rude, but at the same time, dislike being asked for hospitality after years of minimal contact.

cxx Sep 23rd 2016 11:06 am

Re: Visitor fatigue
 

Originally Posted by plasticcanuck (Post 12060134)
Yes, somewhat, but at least one wouldn't be squirming and rolling eyes every time the visitor entered your company or spoke to you. Perhaps you'd be afraid that you would cutoff your supply of free accommodation when visiting the U.K. 😱😱😱

When it's the in-laws there's an obligation to have them visit so you don't always have a choice, but I haven't spent a single night in their house and have no intention to ever do so. I have happily paid for hotels so I don't have to stay with them.


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