Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12324966)

I thought so. Mine was white too (as you know). I think that helped in getting her the benefit of the doubt in the early years when she left Canada only every six months or so. I doubt that someone from Haiti would get away with that for years on end.

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12325314)

I did understand the gist. I don't think deception is on regardless of how it's done.

I assumed "Westerners" because I believe you referenced this forum - as I mentioned I don't care where they come from.

I don't lurk much in the visa section of this forum so can't vouch that people advocate this but will accept your judgment that they do, regardless it's not on.

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12325234)

Oh my goodness another one of "those" posters.

Bats, do you have any idea what "bigot" actually means?

A "bigot" is not a person who disagrees with you about something. A "bigot" is also not a person who is left-wing, as I am, but just not as left-wing as you are.

A bigot is someone who treats certain races and ethnic groups with hatred and intolerance.

So, as I look back in my posts, where have I directed hatred towards an ethnic group?

Was it when I posted - repeatedly - that legitimate refugees should be given asylum in Canada and resettled there? No, I don't see any bigotry in that statement.

How about when I said those denied asylum or who aren't legitimate refugees, should be encouraged to apply for residence, and then welcomed if they meet the criteria? No, no bigotry there either.

When I agreed with BristolUK that Westerners claiming residence on false pretenses should have their visas cancelled? That doesn't sound much like a bigoted remark.

When I said that Germany had been "swamped" by migrants? No hate statements at racial or ethnic groups there either - that's just a statement you disagree with (though I would say 1.5 million migrants in 18 months is indeed "swamped" and most logical and reasonable people would agree, especially as how none of the countries involved have been able to handle the situation).

When I warned that if people perceive a country as losing control of its borders, that could lead to more Trumps, Brexits, and Le Pens? That doesn't sound like bigotry either and in fact is pretty well documented. I am warning about them precisely because I don't support them.

Now, if I had said something like, black refugees shouldn't be allowed into Canada . . . bingo! That would be an example of a bigoted statement.

If I had said that it was terrible that Germany had been "swamped" by Muslims? Bingo! That would also be an example of a bigoted statement.

But I don't believe that which is why I didn't say that, and why I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you called me a "bigot" out of your own ignorance about what the term means, rather than that you were trying to use very dishonest rhetorical tactics.

In the future, I strongly, strongly recommend that when on BE you reply to posts that are actually written, and not phantom posts that exist only in your head; refrain from making false allegations against posters using grown-up terms you don't understand; and, if that fails, enroll in remedial reading comprehension courses that will help you better understand what is actually being written.

Originally Posted by bats (Post 12325507)

Thank you for your diatribe and lecture. Ive considered replying pointing out that displaying bigotry in a post isn't the same as being an out an out bigot. That using the word "swamped" indicates the users feelings towards asylum seekers, illegal border crossers but I decided it was a waste of time.

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 12325537)

In country after country insecure borders and rising asylum claims have led to rising community tensions and in some cases outright violence. .

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12325543)

No, it's morons who are responsible for that. Devious morons with ulterior motives who want to take advantage of it and sew discontent, fan the flames and other clichés.

People like Farage, Tyndall, Le Pen with their misleading and exaggerating claims, "rivers of blood" or arranging marches that are guaranteed and designed to provoke.

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 12325548)

There are over 10m people in US without permanent status.

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 12325548)

There are always people willing to take advantage of a crisis. Why not prevent the crisis in the first place?

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12325585)

The violence you mentioned hasn't happened here has it?

Originally Posted by bats (Post 12325507)

Thank you for your diatribe and lecture. Ive considered replying pointing out that displaying bigotry in a post isn't the same as being an out an out bigot. That using the word "swamped" indicates the users feelings towards asylum seekers, illegal border crossers but I decided it was a waste of time.

Originally Posted by carcajou (Post 12325622)

You are completely and totally wrong (again). You say you read my previous post but it's clear it didn't sink in. Go back and re-read the part where it says a "bigot" is someone with intolerance/hatred to racial or ethnic groups, not someone who disagrees with you about something or isn't sufficiently left wing for you.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12325471)

Presumably you're with Trump on the policy of sending young Mexican Americans back, because they're undocumented?