Re: Ukraine
 

I think by "militia" they're on about these local idiots standing around in old camo jackets. They're simply denying the existence of Russian troops altogether.

Anyway have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrain...ferendum,_1991

Which shows a majority of people in Crimea voted for independence in 1991 from the USSR. So it's pretty clear why Putin doesn't want any foreign observers knocking around in Crimea during the referendum.

Re: Ukraine
 

Well now we'll see what happens. If the reporting this morning was correct and a lot of the Ukrainians and nearly all the Tatars boycotted the polls the %80 turnout statistic smells to high heaven, but it isn't as if there was much doubt of the outcome.

Re: Ukraine
 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...324265163.html

I wonder whats gonna happen next :confused:

Re: Ukraine
 

this referendum has made me laugh. there have been pics online of the booths being arranged in the colours of the Russian flag, food is being provided etc. Not that anyone is being influenced at all. Add to that the Russian propaganda and the fact that Hitler has risen from the dead and taken over in Kiev and I see no reason to doubt the results.

Other than the questionable legality and turnout figures...

Re: Ukraine
 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...130732690.html

Yeah, appeasement always works.

Re: Ukraine
 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26686949

I find it interesting that they're uncovering all this embezzlement well into the billions, and the Russians are promising to spend $5 billion on upgrading Crimea. So it looks to me as though the Crimeans will be worse off with Russia in the long run, economically.

I do wonder whether Russia taking over the east of Ukraine might at least stop them from having a revolution every few years. Something is going to have to change.

Re: Ukraine
 

It would also be nice if the Tatars don't end up being disenfranchised, like the Kurds, the Tibetans, etc. When Yugoslavia was getting pumped full of western money there wasn't a revolution, so maybe western money can hold Ukraine together and the Russians can find a way to let the Ukrainian navy in Crimea go gracefully before it becomes any more awkward..

Re: Ukraine
 

That "heat" map of the 1991 independence election I linked to above basically shows the situation quite well, Crimea easily had the lowest vote for independence, a bit of eastern Ukraine was also quite low but the vast majority of the country seemed quite keen on it.

Now that Crimea is gone maybe it will be a blessing in disguise for Ukraine. I can't help thinking how many wars could have been avoided around the world if the British hadn't drawn the borders.

Re: Ukraine
 

The European map business has always been a growth industry.
edit: I would like to read a bit about Shevchenko's idea for a Slavic Federation even though it's a different world now. Maybe there is a place for a bloc between the EU and Russia.

Re: Ukraine
 

Still can't get over the fact that the UK, a country due to hold a referendum on leaving the EU, is bending over backwards to help Ukraine get into the EU.

At the rate they're going they'll be members before Turkey, and they've been trying for ages.

Re: Ukraine
 

I think that should give you a clue as to which way the referendum will turn out - whether the voters choose EU or not !

Re: Ukraine
 

Are they trying to get Ukraine into the EU though? The EU is assisting Ukraine in becoming more aligned with Western Europe, but looking at the state of the Ukrainian economy and the political landscape (corruption etc.) and they are a long way away from being able to join.

Turkey hasn't exactly got the cleanest political landscape either, add religion into the mix and it's a minefield as far as EU membership is concerned.

Re: Ukraine
 

Err yeah. And the fact that they just blocked social networking site Twitter due to corruption allegations against their PM is shocking:eek:

Re: Ukraine
 

That agreement they just signed is pretty much de facto EU membership, from what I read it's got more to it than EFTA membership although there is no free movement of people.

Yeah, that's what stopped Romania and Bulgaria from joining, after all. :p

The reason they haven't joined is because Germany opposes it, because they're worried about having a large muslim country in the EU and having a lot of Turks move to Germany. If it hadn't of been for the recession, I reckon they'd be members by now.

Re: Ukraine
 

The whole EU worries about that with Turkey. Although, ironically, Turkish muslims would probably moderate the devout muslims from other parts.