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Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12767454)
It's turning out to be a bizarre election.
Piers and Joseph probably both reflect the real Brexit views of each of their brothers. |
Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 12768340)
so Jeremy is going to stay neutral on Brexit. https://www.markpack.org.uk/153744/j...corbyn-brexit/ Piers and Joseph probably both reflect the real Brexit views of each of their brothers. |
Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 12768340)
so Jeremy is going to stay neutral on Brexit.
Sitting on the fence on such a divisive polarising issue like Brexit does nothing but alienate both sides.... and it frees labour supporters to fall either way but the fence. I don't think he really wants to become PM. |
Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12768376)
He should really strap his political head back on.
Sitting on the fence on such a divisive polarising issue like Brexit does nothing but alienate both sides.... and it frees labour supporters to fall either way but the fence. I don't think he really wants to become PM. |
Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12768383)
Not necessarily. The alternatives aren't that palatable to many labour supporters, and even non-labour supporters. He certainly wants to become PM.
This election is all about Brexit. Sure there will be those die-hard politically minded individuals who'll actually read the manifestos and listen to what candidates are saying but for most it'll be about Brexit and they'll vote accordingly. It's a little like a man being threatened by a dog with the owner explaining that the dog's got no teeth, the man understands that but all he wants is the dog to go away. |
Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12768946)
Really?
This election is all about Brexit. Sure there will be those die-hard politically minded individuals who'll actually read the manifestos and listen to what candidates are saying but for most it'll be about Brexit and they'll vote accordingly. It's a little like a man being threatened by a dog with the owner explaining that the dog's got no teeth, the man understands that but all he wants is the dog to go away. 1) to elect Boris, let him mess up future relations negotiations with the 27 and then crash out with no deal at the end of next year. 2) highly unlikely, but vote for the lightweight Jo Swinson and fantasise about revoking A50 and 3) highly desirable, let the people decide between what will likely turn out to be Labour's Norway solution and Remain. And yes, it is essential that Jeremy allows both sides of the debate to proceed without interventions from No. 10. As to your toothless dog analogy I have no idea what your trying to say. |
Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 12768956)
As to your toothless dog analogy I have no idea what your trying to say.
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Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 12768956)
But there are 3 ways to get Brexit done "quickly":
1) to elect Boris, let him mess up future relations negotiations with the 27 and then crash out with no deal at the end of next year. 2) highly unlikely, but vote for the lightweight Jo Swinson and fantasise about revoking A50 and 3) highly desirable, let the people decide between what will likely turn out to be Labour's Norway solution and Remain. And yes, it is essential that Jeremy allows both sides of the debate to proceed without interventions from No. 10. As to your toothless dog analogy I have no idea what your trying to say. 1 Boris - deal 5% 2 Boris - December crash out 30% 3 Jo - revoke 5% 4 Jezza (& Co) - deal 40% 5 Jezza (& Co) - revoke 20% |
Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12769024)
Indeed. My guesstimate on the outcomes:
1 Boris - deal 5% 2 Boris - December crash out 30% 3 Jo - revoke 5% 4 Jezza (& Co) - deal 40% 5 Jezza (& Co) - revoke 20% Boris wins with a useful majority... 70% 1 Boris - deal 100% Else Hung Parliament 30% 1 Boris - deal 5% 2 Boris - December crash out 30% 3 Jo - revoke 0% 4 Jezza (& Co) - deal 0% 5 Jezza (& Co) - revoke 0% 6 2nd Referendum 65% |
Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12769031)
Wishful thinking, More likely in my opinion is:
Boris wins with a useful majority... 70% 1 Boris - deal 100% Else Hung Parliament 30% 1 Boris - deal 5% 2 Boris - December crash out 30% 3 Jo - revoke 0% 4 Jezza (& Co) - deal 0% 5 Jezza (& Co) - revoke 0% 6 2nd Referendum 65% |
Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12769057)
Clear as mud, Dave.
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Re: UK General Election
The last sentence is good... Mr Johnson was said to be "a little apprehensive, naturally" at the development. https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...e_iOSApp_Other |
Re: UK General Election
Maybe Jeremy needs to read AChristmas Carol too... https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other |
Re: UK General Election
The Guardian is always worth a look, the issues raised are often worth discussing even if the analysis is usually rather slanted. The hatred on display in this article achieves what though? Criticising the way he claps? https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e_iOSApp_Other |
Re: UK General Election
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 12771483)
The Guardian is always worth a look, the issues raised are often worth discussing even if the analysis is usually rather slanted. The hatred on display in this article achieves what though? Criticising the way he claps? https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e_iOSApp_Other |
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