Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12761994)

Young politicians often follow the party line. But regardless of that, many people liked the idea of a referendum prior to 2016, myself included. Many underestimated the complexity of the issue, and in particular, the public's ability to process the issue.

I couldn't find the "six white men" tweet. Did she actually say that? Can't condone it if she did.

I'm surprised that JS has ruled out a Scottish referendum, but it may well be a clever strategy. What she's now offering is to return Britain back to "normality". No Boris Brexit chaos, no Corbyn infinite loop dithering, but a return to a whole Britain and full EU membership. I think this will be attractive to many.

I don’t use Twitter, I just saw a reference to the comment in an interview the Telegraph did with Vince Cable recently. The Telegraph journalist put to him that he was a white man like the 6 that JS had made reference to, he said he was different because his late wife was Indian or black I forget which. So I think the JS Twitter comment is authentic, I’m surprised more hasn’t been made of it in the media, any reasonable person would consider a reference to the unsuitability of a group of people being due to their ethnicity and gender to be totally inappropriate. Vince Cable seems to be saying that white guys are appalling as JS says but he’s ok by virtue of the fact he married someone who was an ethnic minority.

There may well be a majority for remaining in the EU but not in the context of the liberal approach. The liberal approach is hugely cynical, JS can offer a policy to revoke article 50 knowing that the chances of having to implement it are virtually nill. Her objective is to maximise the extreme remain vote and head count in the House of Commons. One of the liberals MPs was on Newsnight the other night and spoke of the election being a healing process. The lack of engagement with the typical voter this attitude reveals is astonishing, her father was an EU diplomat though. Unlike the other 11 liberal MPs who were elected in 2017 she is only 1/2 white though so maybe as an only 1/2 white female she must be right.

There would probably be a majority for a policy to remain in the EU, accepting the economic benefits but promising to limit and reverse political union, something along the lines of the RM. There would be those that would lazily characterise this as extreme right wing but of course it isn’t. It’s the most neutral, pragmatic approach but unfortunately isn’t on offer.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12762213)

What's the RM?

I see the tweet now, up-thread, it didn't show up the first time. It's the first I heard of it. I didn't know JS is mixed race?

I can understand why Brexiteers dislike the revoke policy. It's basically the reverse of what they are forcing in the country under Leave. I think JS had to mark out this clear territory, and whether it's aiming to get to PM or simply increase MPs that's what politics is about. Nothing cynical in that.

RM - see Marine Le Pen

JS isn’t mixed race as far as I know. My reference was to one of the liberals MPs on Newsnight.

Nothing wrong with JS and liberal policy being hugely cynical, that’s what they all do. You and others seem to characterise it as the policy of the intelligent, educated and righteous, it’s just politics though.

No one is forcing anything there is just a political process being worked out. Some will agree some will disagree with the outcome. Some on the losing side will characterise the process as having been forced on them.

JS is probably out of her depth on this, certainly if she had to do anything rather than just criticise from the sidelines she would likely struggle. The strong dislike of her seems to come from the left, looking at the various assessments of her voting record during the coalition she voted for the bedroom tax etc. Most likely like Blair, Cameron, Clegg, Johnston she goes with the direction of the wind, nothing especially wrong with that they are politicians.