Re: UK election June 8
 

However delusional your argument is, the fact remains that we're leaving the bureaucratic mess of the EU and the stultifying protectionism of the so-called single market and bringing back local and thus responsive control and an embrace of globalism and free trade. Lets hope for a thumping victory for the Tories so we can snuff out the bleating sheep once and for all. :thumbup:

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Sorry to burst your fantasy with the real world!

We may yet lose our political rights yes, but doing so was explicitly contingent on protecting our economic ones. Any reversal of this requires a new mandate, which a desperate Chairman Maybe is now seeking, so she can sell us down the river to the lowest bidder.

Fortunately for us here, we've mostly got our Canadian lifeboats from the land of Brexit hell.

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Real world? Scooby Doo is less confused than you. This is about democracy and national self-determination, the people who live in the UK are best placed to make the decisions that affect the UK. End of.

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You posited a lie which I corrected (your false claim that a majority of the electorate had decided to do something which the winners categorically ruled out before the vote).

This is about democracy, among many other things - and 37% voting to strip 100% of the people of their political and economic rights does not a reasonable demand make.

Once our democracy has been reduced, with the UK surrendering our elected MEPs, and our government having a vote in Brussels, that will do nothing to improve the UK's self-determination. End of.

Re: UK election June 8
 

"The referendum was held on Thursday 23 June, 2016, to decide whether the UK should leave or remain in the European Union. Leave won by 51.9% to 48.1%. The referendum turnout was 71.8%, with more than 30 million people voting." BBC

Those who didn't vote only have themselves to blame.

Re: UK election June 8
 

There are for sure non-voters who regret it (and leave voters who immediately afterwards said they were only trying to send a message, and never thought it would happen). I'll happily blame them for their actions, just as I will the Quitlings for actively trying to rip us out.

None of which changes that multiple senior figures at the head of the Leave campaigns promised that "nobody is threatening our place in the single market", "Only a madman would actually leave the Market", "Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK" (inside the single market - EEA). So please don't lie that people voted for that, when the vote was explicitly made on the promise that if people voted for Leave, that would definitely not happen.

(Oh, and on numbers - yes. 52% of 72% does not a majority make. A plurality voted to leave political union, conditional on the economics being protected).

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But it was advisory. To be binding it really would have required a supermajority,

Given no one yet knows what brexit means, other than brexit means brexit, and the real true cost of it, it really can't have been a vote for anything and everything including a whole range of contradictions and make-belief.

Final say referendum is the best way to sort it out. If we get that, I don't really care so much about the GE, as much as I'd love to see the tories out.

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That's so disingenuous. Everybody knew what the general concept of the referendum was, it was a vote to leave or stay in the EU. The majority of those who voted, voted to leave the EU, it is a decision that sorted once and for all. Sorry you didn't like the decision but that's just tough bunnies. You'll just have accept it. :sneaky:

Re: UK election June 8
 

I don't see how this election can end well.

If May has a clear win she'll take that as a mandate leave the EU, dismantle the NHS, lead the country to penury. It seems an unlikely outcome but then so did a Trump win.

If Corbyn, well nevermind, his campaign will be as much of a shambles as his government might be. He has no chance.

If May loses to the SNP in Scotland, to Sinn Féin in Northern Ireland and retains about the same number of seats in England and Wales she'll lead a weakened government in a negotiation for which it has no mandate. So that'll just result in delay and confusion.

I suppose it might be an exciting result for the fringe parties.

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Imho nothing brexit related will end well. The only good brexit is a dead one.

And so it continues...

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I thought she already had that, both from the electorate, and from both houses of Parliament.

In the UK, there is only one government, the Westminster one (on matters such as the one in discussion) so it matters not a jot what people on opposite sides of a street want, nor what people in different constituencies wanted, the overall result is what counts.

Re: UK election June 8
 

Only Jeremy Corbyn can save us now.

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That's a bit like asking someone to save you from drowning in the middle of a deep lake who can't swim....:)

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😂 And he'd jump in to help you drown.

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That Corbyn seems to be intending to fight this election on the basis of austerity, and not Brexit, shows just how out of touch he is.

I don't understand Theresa May. Considering she was near neutral on Brexit, she has suddenly become an extreme Brexiteer, despite the narrowly decided referendum, and subsequent doubts on pre-referendum promises.