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i'm getting the feeling that some guy's job is more important to some of you than some woman's dignity.

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The firing is not about the guys job, it's about Hydro Ones reputation. They had no choice in the matter really, that's why the thread is about "trial by media" if this was just edited out of all the news broadcasts and not gone viral on the Internet would he be still be gainfully employed?

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It's a debate I've been following in a number of formats.

The gentleman who was fired upset me, not just because of his comments about using a dildo, but because he kept referring to it being acceptable in England so she should put up with it here.

What was said and done was clearly stupid and alcohol is not an excuse for stupid behaviour.

The question is what is fitting punishment for the crime? Would a ban from all MLSE facilities and a police caution (in the works) have been enough for this person to rethink their conduct in the future?

It's easy to say he should lose his job and I'm sure Hydro One employs many females who are no doubt uncomfortable with this individual now. But what if this chap has never put a foot wrong before and has several children dependent on him?

The media attention means he will not likely work for a very very long time.

There are lots of ways a lesson can be learned but is the punishment fitting of the crime?

Do we start firing every tradesman who whistles or makes a cat call at a women?

What if a guy pays a girl a compliment?

We are in an era of transition.

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While you're eagerly anticipating the next chunk of flamebait, have a quick scan of this old thread:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/maple...%2450k-845909/

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Nothing wrong with the reporter calling the guy out on his remarks. He was wrong to make them. However, then using media power to publically shame him, especially in the context (drunk fans leaving a football match) seems vindictive. If she truly felt 'harassed' go to the police. There is legislation to deal with such behaviour.

However, the main point is that the employer should not have the right to control what a minor employee says or does in his time off. He has freedom to speak, no matter how trashy his words are. If he crosses a boundary there are laws to answer to.

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Mmmmm...so were CBC right to fire Ghomeshi??? I mean he wasn't allegedly raping women during work time?

Private life can be cause for firing, experts say after Jian Ghomeshi dismissal | Toronto Star

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And on top of all that, TFC lost that game and Swansea beat Arsenal 1-0 a bad week end all round for Mr Arsenal !!

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Post #21 has the link that addresses this point

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It's a far more serious allegation on a far more public individual. In that case I would say yes.

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Yes, there's cause when reputational damage arises, but this is precisely why the TV crews actions are questionable. "Trial by the media mob" would be an apt title for this thread.

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I know this case is cut n dry as he was on Live T V

But if this out come sets a president in this matter and what u do away from work is deemed as destructive to your employer, could some one not just make up some thing a post it on the interenet? Let's say you are going head to head with a guy for a promotion or managers job. Media maybe a tool used to get the edge?

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No. Not in the least. This guy might be able to argue, I suppose, that he is the unfortunate figurehead of a whole society of misogynistic sexist oafs, but "everybody else was doing it" is an excuse I wouldn't tolerate from a seven-year-old, let alone a supposed adult. He was filmed, and subsequently broadcast, abusing a woman in a public place. Quite bloody right that he was fired, whether or not there was any actual or perceived reputational damage to his employer. Especially (as Hydro One reputedly does) if there's a code of conduct that he has signed as an employee, that includes references to off-hours behaviour. There's not really very much more to say.

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It looks like a group of at least six fans were involved. The two that were interviewed pretty much admitted that they had planned to do it, and were looking for the opportunity.

The interviewer called them out on it, from what looked like her own personal perspective (rather than taking advantage of an opportunity) and I think she dealt with the mob really well. To be honest, when she said "I get this 10 times a day", I just wanted to give her a big hug.

Sad :(

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You won't believe the idiocy I have to deal with in the office on a daily basis :(

The positive is we can all learn from this and show a greater sense of public awareness in future.

We should probably start applying for jobs at Hydro One too as they seem to compensate very well.

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Yes we do! It's bloody awful to have comments about the size, shape, movement of your boobs/arse/legs shouted at you in the street. If you ignore them the usual 'smart' reply is 'smile Love', or something saying how effing miserable you are cos they are only paying you a compliment. It is not acceptable, never. Ever.

It's all part of the mindset that has women as pawns in men's lives. The idea that our manner of dressing and acting is all a deliberate tease to entice poor weak men who have no control over their actions once blood is hurtling to their genitalia..

Get over it. If men can't act with decency and respect towards others then they shoukd bloody well stay at home and play with their toys.

You want to pay a girl a compliment? If you don't know her then don't. It's creepy and intimidating.

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Companies have reputations to protect, they can't have a guy who does something like this in public working for them, imagine the public backlash.

Just because your off the clock doesn't give one the right to do anything they want and not face consequences, in this case that consequence was losing his job.

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Shadowing was more lucrative than being an employee on an hourly basis but the man who really hit the jackpot was a shadow to someone who went on long term disability (the ltd was a scandal in itself) and was offered the job of his shadowee. He took the job and, less than a year later, was packaged out. He was then obliged to sit on a beach in Sri Lanka for a tax year. Bastard.

Do you have a yacht? If you do then new sails are a fabulous benefit of working in a senior position at Hydro One.

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If someone says something like that to a woman and her husband or boyfriend hears it they can get crippled or worse; it isn't acceptable. I've seen it happen, the guy had it coming. No time allowed to argue the nuances of freedom of speech. This donkey should count himself lucky all he lost was his job.

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+1

"You're lucky there's not a ****ing vibrator in your ear."

Certainly not a statement a man would make to another man, so definitely a hint of misogyny. I'm also pretty sure if he was heard saying that, after a football match in England, he'd be taken out by a sucker punch from a passerby, that would put a swift end to his "fun".

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The employer has the right to control which employees him/her/it employs.

if she truly felt "harrassed". Nice minimization of the issue there Shard.

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It's not even an issue in my opinion. A hard nosed reporter taking offence at some drunken louts. I can't believe how many links there are to it on the Toronto Sun. Everyone trying to compete on how offended they can be. Very Canadian.

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What isn't an issue? Do you think it's not an issue for a man to interrupt a live broadcast to make obscene and sexist remarks about the reporter? Do you consider it "not an issue" that the guy's friends were standing waiting, out of camera shot, to titter at the clever rudeness of it all? Do you think it's not an issue for those friends to try laugh off the obscene interruption when the journalist points out how offensive it is? Do you think it's not an issue that female news reporters get this phrase shouted at them on a regular basis, every time they try to do their job? Do you think it's a non-issue that women risk having coarse, obscene or offensive comments lobbed at them every time they go out in public?

Exactly what part of the behaviour of any of the men in this sorry saga is acceptable to you? Why is it somehow "very Canadian" for people to be offended by something really pretty offensive? Is nobody in the UK offended by this? If it's such a non-issue, and oh so Canadian, why did the BBC think to include it in the "trending" section of its website? If you're surprised that everyone else seems to be on the same side of the argument, have you paused to consider the fact that your position might, in fact, be unsupportable?

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Maybe the drunks should try shouting at a male reporter? Maybe something about their plans for anal rape? Nah. Not offensive, threatening at all.

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No I don't think it's an issue. Storm in a teacup. The BBC is currently reporting on thousands of refugees in the Mediteranean and in the Indian issue in dire need. That's an issue. Grab a sense of perspective and proportion.

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He was, to put it as politely as I can, way out of effing order. Serious lack of judgement? Yup. Drunk? Yup? Freedom of speech? Yup.

Deal with the consequences. Post #16 still says it best.

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one of these things does not match the other...
one of these things is not quite the same....

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Now it's trial by judge, Calgary police have laid a charge against a motorist who heckled a female reporter on the Red Mile. Good!
Edit: He was a passenger, not the driver and he can pay the fine without contesting the charge to avoid court.

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That's a bit feeble isn't it? Using the suffering of those people to deflect from your lack of cogent answers.

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He should be banned from soccer games, fined maybe and put through the court system for harassment and being a total drunk jerk of the highest degree, but Does what he did really deserve for him to lose his job, be splashed all over the Internet and most likely never be able to work ever again, anywhere !! Employers can Goolgle him any time and woooooh WTF is that :::::: We're as the woman, upset as she should be will be back to work feeling very good about getting her sweet revenge.

And I actually heard today that it was not live, it was pre recorded and they chose to show it? Can anyone confirm this ?

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I wonder how much time he spent, today, debating those other issues.

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Toronto Police said Thursday it won't be laying charges in Sunday's incident.
"We met with Shauna this morning and we explained that the legal advice we got from the Crown was that charges in this case were not appropriate," Toronto Police spokesman Mark Pugash said.

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I agree with that, in the sense that it doesn't seem to be a story worthy of international reportage.

As I see it, a man-child decided to try and get his face on television by shouting things he knew to be offensive to lots of people. He succeeded. Among the people he offended was his employer who then gave him the, metaphorical, boot. He was lucky not to get a literal boot but, otherwise, he got what he was looking for. He has his 15 minutes. If no one, including his employer, wants to have anything to do with him anymore, fair enough; he set out to give offence and he's given it.

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Unfortunately for him he got a little more than 15 mins of fame, he has a lifetime of shame now :@(

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Then you are missing the point. The reporter who stood her ground and fought back instead of rushing away with her head down and cheeks burning is the point. Shauna is the point. Her, and everyone of the strong smart women, and men, arguing on here that this is not acceptable, ever.

Very few women get through their lives without this happening. Mothers, wives, sisters, daughters. No matter what they look like, what they wear, what they are doing, or where in the world they live. Everyday sexism is a major international issue.

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This. Very much this.

But the story, the reason this has been picked up by the media, is not the man-child being offensive - that happens every day, everywhere, to women in all walks of life, but isn't always caught on camera. No, the story here is about a woman actually standing her ground and calling the "supporters" out on it. She didn't confront the obscenity-spouting jerk; he had already run away to hide (gee, how big and clever of him). She took on the people who had stood, watching, waiting for him to do his piece. Then they tried, hugely unsuccessfully, to justify why this was OK, or funny, or "not an issue". The story here is about making those men, and men everywhere, realise how unpleasant and unacceptable they are being - not by hurling obscenities, but by standing by, watching, encouraging, and failing to stop other men from doing so. Much of the international media attention has focused on the reporter's response to the incident, rather than the incident itself. That is why it is news, that is why it has garnered so much attention: because a woman was driven to the point of having had enough of juvenile men abusing her for their 15 minutes of fame, and turned the tables on the jeering onlookers.

Men being abusive, in old newspaper terms, is a dog-bites-man story. The reporter calling them out on it, now that's man-bites-dog stuff.

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He was lucky not to get a literal boot, but perhaps what he has got will be far worse in the long run.

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Is there anyone arguing that this is acceptable?

I have to say that I only know of this fashion from this thread but I would have thought that, if one were a sports broadcaster, male or female, doing one's job and someone interrupted to bellow obscenities, one would take that person to task. If one were athletic, one might do so physically.

Rather wimpish not to do so, surely?

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This thread perfectly illustrates the dangers of mob rule. :thumbup:

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Semantics.

She should be tough enough is already on the list of excuses. Along with 'can't you take a joke' and 'it was only a compliment'.

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I'm not saying that she should put up with it. I'm expressing surprise that anyone would put up with it.

Surely if someone interrupted your work to shout obscentities you'd react badly. The theme of the thread seems to be that sports people (except for this one) do not. Why ever not?