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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11653816)
And vice versa. I'd like to see woman stop harassing men. There is no room for harassment in any place let alone the work place.
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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JonboyE
(Post 11652928)
It is just a wild guess, but I don't think JamesM has met ExKiwilass in real life.
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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11652809)
It's not about what we think he meant, it's about what the the reporter thinks he meant. If she met him alone in Greenhill's dark alley, her thoughts may be very different than meeting him in this rowdy public context with her security man next to her. That's the point. But I don't know what she thought, I have never met her.
intellectualizes matters. "I don't know what she thought" "If this" "If that" "Group Think". It impairs your sensitivity, perhaps. I haven't followed all the arguments, but I would say that the comments made by that individual were threatening and intended to intimidate and cause the woman extreme discomfort. It was insensitive, cruel and not to be tolerated actually: men - weak men in particular - have often used sex as a way to violate or threaten women, and it is intimidating for many women. And it is not tolerated. Alcohol is no excuse for violence, nor is it an excuse for verbal and mental intimidation or sexual assault. Furthermore, this individual, by displaying his unmoderated behavior, showed what an intolerable, abusive douchebag he actually is. The awareness of that is not an issue, his behavior was the issue. His employer had every right to disapprove of such conduct, and the character of such a person. |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JuneSpring
(Post 11654055)
I must add that online, ExKiwilass has never appeared to me a "victim". She is forthright and direct - nothing wrong with a strong woman, although some men can't take that very well. :confused:
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Re: Trial by media
Longer term reader/lurker ;)
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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JuneSpring
(Post 11654079)
Longer term reader/lurker ;)
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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 11653706)
I am once again at a loss to understand your point here.
A company decided it did not want to have, on staff, somebody who felt it acceptable, appropriate, or amusing, to say what was said in public. The employee was filmed by a TV camera crew in a public place. Even if one agreed with your premise that an employee's private off-hours behaviour should have no impact on their continued employment, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in teh plaza outside a football stadium. Why do you feel that companies (in this case a government owned arms-length agency, but it would apply equally to a corporation in the private sector) are ill-equipped to judge who they want to employ or who they want to terminate? What else, actually, needs "assessing" here? Who else other than the company is better placed to make this judgement? If the reason for dismissal does not break anti-discrimination legislation, and does not amount to a breach of other employment law (in which case the employee presumably has recourse through the courts anyway) then why should that company be beholden to anybody else's values? |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JuneSpring
(Post 11654062)
Shard, no offence, but you seem like a classic case of someone who over-
intellectualizes matters. "I don't know what she thought" "If this" "If that" "Group Think". It impairs your sensitivity, perhaps. . |
Re: Trial by media
You don't have to conform, and there's nothing wrong with that.
And don't worry about floating too high (and getting carried further away into the realms of metamagical thinking). As long as you're here, you're anchored to our fact-based reality and we can reel you in, when you allow us the opportunity.
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11654186)
Obviously a minority view on this highly conformist forum. Let's leave it at that.
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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11654186)
My point is that I don't think companies should be policing their employees' out of work behaviour. If matters are serious, I want them judged in a court of law, not a company HR department; if matters are not serious, I think there are alternative remedies to vindictive power through job loss. Obviously a minority view on this highly conformist forum. Let's leave it at that.
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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JuneSpring
(Post 11654079)
Longer term reader/lurker ;)
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Re: Trial by media
New or old can tell you are a bitter, spiteful critic.
HTH. |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11654186)
Obviously a minority view on this highly conformist forum.
Best to stick with the minority thinkers and better not to engage majority views on their merits. Hm.. |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JuneSpring
(Post 11654794)
New or old can tell you are a bitter, spiteful critic.
HTH. Now whose flounced? |
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Re: Trial by media
:rofl: Greenhill..
Although I did meet someone yesterday who was recommending curling as a sport for couples where the women can almost (not quite) be as good as the men... Sigh.. |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Tirytory
(Post 11655004)
Ooh you don't deny it?;)
Now whose flounced? You seem to think that anyone should care what you or Novocastrian actually think. Please feel free to make up whatever ideas you want about anyone and stick to those, but don't expect me, for one, to care or God forbid, "convince" you otherwise. Some very sad and misguided people on this forum. |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JuneSpring
(Post 11655270)
Are you 4 years old, Tirytory?
You seem to think that anyone should care what you or Novocastrian actually think. Please feel free to make up whatever ideas you want about anyone and stick to those, but don't expect me, for one, to care or God forbid, "convince" you otherwise. Some very sad and misguided people on this forum. |
Re: Trial by media
Only old timers post a lot :lol: I don't know whether to laugh or grimace anymore. *untwists knickers*
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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JuneSpring
(Post 11655404)
Only old timers post a lot :lol: I don't know whether to laugh or grimace anymore. *untwists knickers*
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Re: Trial by media
You sure are obsessive. To end this, I confess that I was nibblewak and also sweetpie and another time Mark (with a k)
Good? I'm old here, been here for centuries, posted for the last decade to be honest. Satisfied? Done. |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JuneSpring
(Post 11655435)
another time Mark (with a k)
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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JuneSpring
(Post 11655435)
You sure are obsessive. To end this, I confess that I was nibblewak and also sweetpie and another time Mark (with a k)
Good? I'm old here, been here for centuries, posted for the last decade to be honest. Satisfied? Done. |
Re: Trial by media
Nibble whack? Is that legal?
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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JuneSpring
(Post 11655435)
You sure are obsessive. To end this, I confess that I was nibblewak and also sweetpie and another time Mark (with a k)
Good? I'm old here, been here for centuries, posted for the last decade to be honest. Satisfied? Done. You see, I invented digital computing one Sunday evening and then the internet while on holiday in Geneva. |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Tirytory
(Post 11655460)
I have no idea who those names are and neither do I care. I thought I made that pretty clear with my last post. I guess not:confused:
Well to be honest I don't really. |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 11655493)
No, you weren't.
You see, I invented digital computing one Sunday evening and then the internet while on holiday in Geneva. |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11655618)
What did you do on the eighth day?
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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11654186)
My point is that I don't think companies should be policing their employees' out of work behaviour. If matters are serious, I want them judged in a court of law, not a company HR department; if matters are not serious, I think there are alternative remedies to vindictive power through job loss. Obviously a minority view on this highly conformist forum. Let's leave it at that.
What's the point of continuing to debate this? Its the same thing going round and round... |
Re: Trial by media
UPDATE ; The hydro worker who got fired has now been reinstated after going to arbitration.
Hydro One rehires man fired after FHRITP incident - Toronto - CBC News Mmmm did they have justification for firing him in the first place or did they envisage paying the guy a shit load of money if found to be in the wrong? |
Re: Trial by media
Well looks like trial by media don't have a long lasting effect. What is sure tho is he probably won't do anything similar again !!
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Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 11785128)
UPDATE ; The hydro worker who got fired has now been reinstated after going to arbitration.
Hydro One rehires man fired after FHRITP incident - Toronto - CBC News Mmmm did they have justification for firing him in the first place or did they envisage paying the guy a shit load of money if found to be in the wrong? Nothing further to add to the matter. It's in the past. It hasn't happened again and it is time to move on. |
Re: Trial by media
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11785138)
He is lucky to work in a unionised environment. It protects his job and gives him a ludicrous salary.
Nothing further to add to the matter. It's in the past. It hasn't happened again and it is time to move on. |
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