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Old Jul 25th 2018 | 8:05 am
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how can anyone expect the doctor to know?
That's right, some questions are real posers and the best of them don't always have the answers. More information will emerge in the coming days, but it looks like the basics are out. This was an incredible story of survival, only 2 people killed out of that whole barrage when it could have been a dozen if he'd been a proficient marksman.
 
Old Jul 26th 2018 | 2:13 am
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The gun used was stolen from a licensed owner in Saskatoon.
https://leaderpost.com/news/national..._autoplay=true
 
Old Jul 26th 2018 | 3:10 am
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Originally Posted by caretaker
The gun used was stolen from a licensed owner in Saskatoon.
https://leaderpost.com/news/national..._autoplay=true
so he wasn’t a legal gun owner with military training gone wild then. And I thought Facebook had this one in the bag !!

still, best to ban all the legal guns, and maybe ban restaurants too, and being outside when it gets dark
 
Old Jul 26th 2018 | 3:37 am
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Originally Posted by magnumpi


so he wasn’t a legal gun owner with military training gone wild then. And I thought Facebook had this one in the bag !!

still, best to ban all the legal guns, and maybe ban restaurants too, and being outside when it gets dark

I agree with the banning of restaurants. In my humble exerience they are nearly always 'shell games' owned by someone with snake oil salesmen like tendencies. Take for example Nebraska by the Sea where I reside. You can pay anywhere from $1 to $20 (and I would guess more $$ in some places) for the same Mexican taco depending on the store front dressing, location and level of fawning/ customer service you wish to indulge in. Thus the whole dining experience becomes a sham. Needless to say whether you are paying $1 or $20 its still being cooked by the same minimum wage 'chef' in the kitchen!

Not to mention the obsession here with 'turning tables,' so you almost feel guilty for sitting longer than it has been deemed necessary for you to be fleeced.
 
Old Jul 26th 2018 | 5:01 am
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Originally Posted by magnumpi


its because of the soft as shit approach to crime that the Liberals have forced on people is why we have so much gun crime and gangs running Toronto. You can only be “Fair” to so many, when you start being fair and soft hearted to criminals then society is ****ed
But it was the Conservatives who made it so easy for everyone to own a gun by undoing the legal legislation that Canada was so proudly recognized for prior to their 9 years or so in power.
 
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But it was the Conservatives who made it so easy for everyone to own a gun by undoing the legal legislation that Canada was so proudly recognized for prior to their 9 years or so in power.
Which legislation was that then?

You do realise that those that use guns to injure people are usually those that do not possess the firearms legally? How would the firearms legislation you have referred to prevented the shooting this thread refers to?
 
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Originally Posted by Edo
But it was the Conservatives who made it so easy for everyone to own a gun by undoing the legal legislation that Canada was so proudly recognized for prior to their 9 years or so in power.
It's not easy to own a handgun in Canada. If you do have a permit for a handgun it doesn't typically allow moving it from a permanent location (usually a range). I don't think the laws are relevant to this issue.
 
Old Jul 26th 2018 | 6:54 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Which legislation was that then?

You do realise that those that use guns to injure people are usually those that do not possess the firearms legally? How would the firearms legislation you have referred to prevented the shooting this thread refers to?
My post was not in reference to the overall thread. I was responding to mangumpi's post who blamed Liberals for the increase in gun crime.
 
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Originally Posted by Edo
My post was not in reference to the overall thread. I was responding to mangumpi's post who blamed Liberals for the increase in gun crime.
Fair enough. My question remains. What legislation did the Conservatives do/undo that made owing firearms easier for everyone?

I ask this as this site: RCMP - history of firearms controls

would suggest that the removal of the long gun registry was the only thing that occurred during the period you referred to which, I would respectfully suggest, had little impact upon how easy it was for people to obtain firearms.
 
Old Jul 26th 2018 | 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
Fair enough. My question remains. What legislation did the Conservatives do/undo that made owing firearms easier for everyone?
Bill C-42?
 
Old Jul 26th 2018 | 10:04 am
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Originally Posted by Edo
Bill C-42?
You're going to have to help me out here. I note that the link above doesn't work. Here is it again: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/p...st/con-eng.htm

Quoting from that:

2015
On June 18, Bill C-42,the Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act, received royal assent, and the following provisions of that Act came into force: The Act amended theFirearms Act and Criminal Code to make classroom participation in firearms safety courses mandatory for first-time licence applicants; provide for the discretionary authority of Chief Firearms Officers to be subject to the regulations; strengthen the Criminal Code provisions relating to orders prohibiting the possession of firearms where a person is convicted of an offence involving domestic violence; and, provide the Governor in Council with the authority to prescribe firearms to be non-restricted or restricted.

On September 2, two additional provisions of the Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act came into force: the elimination of the Possession Only Licence (POL) and conversion of all existing POLs to Possession and Acquisition Licences; and the Authorization to Transport becoming a condition of a licence for certain routine and lawful activities. Other provisions of the Act which create a six month grace period at the end of a five year licence, and permitting the sharing of firearms import information when restricted and prohibited firearms are imported into Canada by businesses, are not yet in force.

How did that make it easier?

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Old Jul 26th 2018 | 10:49 am
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Stop letting criminals and mental people who threaten to kill people out on the streets would be a start.
 
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
Stop letting criminals and mental people who threaten to kill people out on the streets would be a start.
Well, yes, I think we can all agree that, in the instance that someone is incarcerated and they make credible threats to others and they are, in the opinion of the experts, mental ill in such a way as to make them dangerous, it would be better if they were not released. I'm glad that's settled.
 
Old Jul 26th 2018 | 12:22 pm
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Well, yes, I think we can all agree that, in the instance that someone is incarcerated and they make credible threats to others and they are, in the opinion of the experts, mental ill in such a way as to make them dangerous, it would be better if they were not released. I'm glad that's settled.
It’s a shame the Gov thinks differently
 
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Originally Posted by magnumpi


It’s a shame the Gov thinks differently
I don't much follow politics in Canada, I suppose this is this one of Mr. Ford's economy measures; cutting down on the cost of running prisons and such. It's a bold move, did he name the people to be released while he was campaigning? "Petrol will be 10 cents a litre cheaper and you won't have to pay to house Paul Bernado"?
 


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