I don't think it is apparent when they are still young and at school,so perhaps my original post was incorrect, though it does seem to come soon afterwards when they face unemployment and the perceived unfairness of society around them.

Time will tell, I wonder if any of the brains of britain in the 50's and 60's forecast what we have in UK now. Whatever that view is, wherever you are?

There was that fellow who snapped on the bus, not to mention the local airbase commander prowling around at night.

What do you expect though, there are 35Million people here, they are not all sane.

Wasn't he an immigrant?

The beginning of the end? The way people tell it the place has been going to the dogs, down the pan, washed-up, doomed and dead as a parrot for donkey's years

You mean Vince Li who held permanent residency status and then became a citizen in 2005. What made you think he was an immigrant

I'm a Canadian citizen. I am still an immigrant

Exactly what difference does it make if he was a refugee claimant, PR, naturalized citizen or born here. He murdered an innocent passenger and severed his head from his body and ate pieces of his flesh was found not guilty (criminally responsible) for the act and is now detained in a secure Mental Health Centre and responding well to treatment according to his
psychiatrist. He is requesting more outdoor time for him and then reintegration into society.

The most surprising thing, to me, about this thread, is that Lion in Winter hasn't found it yet and been lecturing you all about where you're going wrong. I'm sure she'll be along soon enough.

A year or two ago I saw something on a carp forum about a bunch of protesters like the ones in the OP who wanted to have their march down the same route returning dead soldiers are driven back to their base. I can‘t recall if they did it or cancelled, but but I thought the idea was in extreme bad taste. This is just a tiny fringe element, isn‘t it?

When, in reality, the place just keeps getting better and better?

Robert Pickton near Vancouver who killed loads of women and fed them to his pigs.

Plus the many who wander the streets of Vancouver and Victoria

It just changes. Some part better, some not so. No different in any western country I imagine.

Charles Ng. Box of frogs.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out