BuckinghamshireBoy

Theoretically, yes, but they often sit on the fence for too long, at which point someone else rips the fence up to add fuel to the bonfires and the holding pattern is re-established.

Engineer_abroad

Took a look west, Alberta is getting pretty upset with feds right now. I feel NDP will be out at next election and replaced by what ever the conservative party is called there now. That is only going to ramp up tensions between AB and feds. From what I am seeing Canada is diving into 2 camps, anti and pro resource sector.

Shard

May's deal, technically known as "May's botched deal" is widely expected to be rejected tomorrow evening, in which case Jezza is expected to call a vote of no confidence (in the government, this time). Nobody is sure what stubborn as an ass May will do if defeated, but I'm not the only one hoping she will step aside, and at very least let a new Tory leader have a go. There are certainly going to be some fireworks for the remainder of the week.

Pizzawheel

Doug Ford has nice hair? IMHO he's the final own goal in the hat trick. And the final nail in the coffin of the old pro-worker red side and pro-business blues; there's not much that can be done with budgets these days so the argument is do you want to be global or isolationist. Or, pro-resource or anti-resource in Canada.

I'm glad that bill bringing plan B forward (3 day limit instead of the weeks they originally had) was passed, because I'd love to see how you'd turn Wing & a Prayer into policy. I actually think May's dogs dinner might be the most reasonable deal you're going to get, and with parliament split between Hard Brexit/ Canada Deal/ Norway Deal/ Broken May Deal/ No Brexit I can't see hoe they move forward.

Interesting that the SNP's objection to a soft border down the Irish sea is that it will make NI unfairly competitive... by my thumbsuck math that loses 35+7+4=46 from the opposition and 13 tories that's enough to give May a majority? So if Scotland had voted to leave the UK back in 2015, Brexit for England + NI + Wales would be a done deal?

dbd33

Suppose the government falls and there's an election. What would Labour's stance on Brexit be?

Shard

Given the goat at the helm, that's the $64 million question. He's pro-Brexit, many Labour supporters are pro-Brexit, but the party is officially pro-Remain. He would need to follow party policy. I also think Labour would need to differentiate themselves from the Tories if a new election focussed on Brexit. But I don't think there will be a GE, I think it will go to a CU type Brexit deal (eg. Norway) or a People's Vote.

dbd33

I agree with all that but think that for Labour to be elected they would have to ditch Corbyn and go with someone credible, like David Lammy.

Shard

Who knows. If he rode the Remain bandwagon there would be a lot of people voting through their teeth for him, plus his army of Corbynistas.

Almost Canadian

This is key particularly as the EU have stated that the deal on the table is the best they will offer. It seems to me that, if the result of the referendum is to be respected, the deal on the table is either accepted, or they leave without a deal. Anything else is simply attempting to avoid the result of the referendum which, of course, is precisely what lots want.

Tangram

Especially noting the misinformation given at the time.

Seems as though the No Deal exit has been rejected by Parliament.

BuckinghamshireBoy

Err, no, that was not what the vote was about at all.

dbd33

So now there's a "no confidence" vote. Perhaps there will be an election. If there is Corbyn will again be a dodgy character not standing for anything much and the Tories will again be in office. Then will they have a clue what to do?

Shard

Whichever way you slice it, People's Vote is one step closer. Failing that, a very soft Brexit.

Tangram

Typo sorry

Tangram

So the DUP all voted against May's deal but will vote with the Government on a confidence vote ?!?!

Wow, we are so far through the looking glass.