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Old Apr 9th 2013 | 1:45 am
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Originally Posted by jimf
Yes but if they'd been successful on their mission there would have been many more British lives lost.

'Our mission in the south wasn't just to cruise around on patrol but to attack,' says Bonzo in a previously unseen interview. 'When they gave us the authorisation to use our weapons, if necessary, we knew we had to be prepared to attack, as well as be attacked. Our people were completely trained. I would even say we were anxious to pull the trigger.'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/may/25/uk.world
The ship was retreating outside of the exclusion zone and was, according to your article, "ready to return the next day if necessary". Meanwhile there were talks ongoing to find a peaceful solution.
 
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The ship was retreating outside of the exclusion zone and was, according to your article, "ready to return the next day if necessary". Meanwhile there were talks ongoing to find a peaceful solution.
I take it you have chosen to ignore the comments:

"Captain Héctor Bonzo also admits that, far from retreating from the British Task Force as he sailed west with two accompanying destroyers, his change of direction was a temporary manoeuvre"

"The revelations come in a documentary to be broadcast tonight on the National Geographic Channel, in which Bonzo, commander of the General Belgrano, reveals the fact that by the end of April 1982, one month into the war, the Argentine navy had changed its rules of engagement, and he was under orders to fire on any British warships that came within range of his guns"

"...the British Government had been made aware of Peruvian efforts to find a peaceful solution to the crisis caused by the Argentine invasion of the Falklands"

"According to Bonzo, the Belgrano's move before dawn on 2 May was only a temporary manoeuvre. Woodward explains the potential impact of this manoeuvre: 'I think a lot of people outside didn't understand how important a threat Belgrano and her destroyers were"

Now, of course, I accept that you have much greater knowledge about the events than those that were there but still ...

I aslo note that you have not replied to my query regarding the Sir Galahad. Do you care to now?
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22080238

Tony Blair comments on the partying following the death.
 
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I just feel SOOOO proud to be British today after reading the news papers!!
Rioting and fires - way to go could be back in the 80's
 
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Best post i've read so far in this thread.
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Old Apr 9th 2013 | 2:27 am
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Originally Posted by luvmeboys
I just feel SOOOO proud to be British today after reading the news papers!!
Rioting and fires - way to go could be back in the 80's
I've mentioned before that I stopped being proud to be British in 1982.

Something to do with Maggie I recall.
 
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Originally Posted by luvmeboys
I just feel SOOOO proud to be British today after reading the news papers!!
Rioting and fires - way to go could be back in the 80's
You would think these people wold have moved on. Whatever her failings, it's been 20 odd years since she was around. Some people (mainly those who are "celebrating" like yobs in Britain) take little personal responsibility for their own success and remain warped and twisted about Thatcher. It's pathetic behaviour.
 
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I take it you have chosen to ignore the comments:

"Captain Héctor Bonzo also admits that, far from retreating from the British Task Force as he sailed west with two accompanying destroyers, his change of direction was a temporary manoeuvre"

"The revelations come in a documentary to be broadcast tonight on the National Geographic Channel, in which Bonzo, commander of the General Belgrano, reveals the fact that by the end of April 1982, one month into the war, the Argentine navy had changed its rules of engagement, and he was under orders to fire on any British warships that came within range of his guns"

"...the British Government had been made aware of Peruvian efforts to find a peaceful solution to the crisis caused by the Argentine invasion of the Falklands"

"According to Bonzo, the Belgrano's move before dawn on 2 May was only a temporary manoeuvre. Woodward explains the potential impact of this manoeuvre: 'I think a lot of people outside didn't understand how important a threat Belgrano and her destroyers were"

Now, of course, I accept that you have much greater knowledge about the events than those that were there but still ...

I aslo note that you have not replied to my query regarding the Sir Galahad. Do you care to now?
So it was outside the exclusion zone and retreating... and it was still sunk. There's been a massive controversy about it, people "there at the time of the events" can make mistakes. The Belgrano had orders that it could attack, it didn't and it certainly wasn't engaging at all at the point it was sunk.

It was a temporary manoeuvre? Was Thatcher aware of this? Highly doubt it.

It's regrettable and sad that people aboard the Sir Galahad died. It's not exactly the same set of circumstances though. Also how is it relevant to the character of Thatcher? She was a pretty hateful person. What are your thoughts on the sinking of the Titantic?

edited to add: Just to clarify I'm not celebrating her death at all, but neither am I sad in any way whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Danny B
She will not have a state funeral but will be accorded the same status as Princess Diana and the Queen Mother.

In 200 years our descendants will review the 20th century for influential British Prime Ministers and there will only be two names: Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher.

The former saved us from Nazi tyranny and the latter saved the British economy.
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Originally Posted by Shard
You would think these people wold have moved on. Whatever her failings, it's been 20 odd years since she was around. Some people (mainly those who are "celebrating" like yobs in Britain) take little personal responsibility for their own success and remain warped and twisted about Thatcher. It's pathetic behaviour.
I agree, look at the photo's on the front pages - most of them are less than 20! not even born when Mrs T was in power!! Scum....
 
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
I've mentioned before that I stopped being proud to be British in 1982.

Something to do with Maggie I recall.
I met you on a train once.
 
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Originally Posted by bats
Who pays for the funeral? Is it 'time to pay up for Mumsie"? as Mark said, allegedly.
Surely it shouldn't be a state funeral. It should be privatised - it's what she would have wanted.
 
Old Apr 9th 2013 | 2:44 am
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Originally Posted by mdizzle
So it was outside the exclusion zone and retreating... and it was still sunk. There's been a massive controversy about it, people "there at the time of the events" can make mistakes. The Belgrano had orders that it could attack, it didn't and it certainly wasn't engaging at all at the point it was sunk.

It was a temporary manoeuvre? Was Thatcher aware of this? Highly doubt it.

It's regrettable and sad that people aboard the Sir Galahad died. It's not exactly the same set of circumstances though. Also how is it relevant to the character of Thatcher? She was a pretty hateful person. What are your thoughts on the sinking of the Titantic?

edited to add: Just to clarify I'm not celebrating her death at all, but neither am I sad in any way whatsoever.
Should Churchill have evacuated Coventry?

She was a Prime Minister during a war and made a decision based upon advice that those on the ground and those with the necessary expertise provided to her. Or are you suggesting that such people advised against the sinking and she overruled them?

I wasn't present at the sinking of the Titanic so I have no knowledge as to what actually happened. With the benefit of hindsight, it is quite easy to poke holes with the events that led to and following its sinking. Clearly, the loss of life was tragic.

At no stage have I indicated that anyone should be sad at the death of this woman. Those that are have their own reasons for that; those that aren't have their own reasons too. It's too subjective an issue for sensible debate.
 
Old Apr 9th 2013 | 2:47 am
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
I've mentioned before that I stopped being proud to be British in 1982.

Something to do with Maggie I recall.
What did she do in 1982 that was so odious? I was a young nipper at the time so have no idea.

The Falklands War?

Were you still living in the UK at that time, or had you already left?
 
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Originally Posted by Danny B
She will not have a state funeral but will be accorded the same status as Princess Diana and the Queen Mother.

In 200 years our descendants will review the 20th century for influential British Prime Ministers and there will only be two names: Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher.

The former saved us from Nazi tyranny and the latter saved the British economy.
Or possibly Clem Attlee

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