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There are so many of these now that I thought just to group them in a world wide terror mass shoot up thread. Maybe add group shooting and school massacres as they are all terrible.

The latest one ongoing is a mall in Germany being shot up as I type this, many dead and wounded expected

Several ‘dead, wounded’ in shooting at mall in Munich, Germany - National | Globalnews.ca

Let's hope this is the first and last attack to be posted on this thread

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Yes, but I sadly fear it won't be...are we to include random individual nutters who have espoused some cause or another be it militant Islam or rabid Christianity?

It seems the world has gone mad...

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5 dead 3 shooters still alive and at large

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I don't know why, but lol.

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I know, I know....

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I get what u mean after re reading it agin, I think I have been brain washed by D Trump and now just said it as it is :o

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And it will turn out to be one deranged mentally ill guy probably. Who was not on anyone's radar but then later in retrospect was actually on everyone's radar but they were hopeless and didn't do anything. Like the German guy who was mentally ill and flew an airliner into the ground.

Or the one in Dallas, "multiple shooters firing from elevated positions" and it turned out to be one nutcase at street level.

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Latest report says 9 dead including the Lone gunman.

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Suicide

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...ng-centre.html

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We should call it the IRA thread. As a tribute.....

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Apparently he bought the gun via the "dark web", so another gun control success story.

He also was a fan of mass shooters, so I reckon he got the idea from this: Liam Lyburd 'stockpiled arsenal to carry out mass murder at Newcastle college' | Daily Mail Online

It seems way too coincidental.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36880758


Attacker Dead, 10 Injured After Blast "From Explosive Device" At Major German Music Festival | Zero Hedge

The French intelligence chief has said to MP's that France is not that far from civil war if the terrorist attacks continue.

And yet so many politicians say things can continue as they are.

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Now there has been a hostage situation in a church in Rouen and a priest has been killed. The two armed attackers entered during mass and took priests and nuns hostage. The attackers are dead, but not much more is known right now.

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I didn't think to add knife and axe attacks !! There was also one in Japan but the one mentioned above is closer to home, another crazy going into a church and killing then getting killed, it's like we live in a sci fi world were humans just go nuts for no reason.

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US air strike in Syria kills nearly 60 civilians 'mistaken for Isil fighters'


I see no one mentioned this, innocent adults and children:(

We kill them, they kill us..

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You mentioned it so were covered yeh ?

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I don't really want to get into who's worst is worse but I do feel it's worth pointing out that one was a mistake (among 450 air strikes) while the other is official policy. :(

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That's the price you pay for ****ing with the US, their coalition and randomly murdering so called infidels.

If they called a truce then no one would get killed by accident would they

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This was not a mistake. A pilot made a conscious decision with purpose because he wanted to destroy what was on a screen and he knew this would mean killing people. Let's not call this 'collatoral damage', let's call it what it was, the murdering of innocent people because not enough effort was put in to keep them safe.

I seem to remember the Iraqi government, in a vain attempt to prove the negative that they had no WMD, not ****ing with the US prior to the invasion; didn't do them any good did it? I don't remember anyone describing the invasion as an accident... not 'Ooops Sorry'.. more like 'Mission accomplished.'

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Your support of IS, even tho disturbing, does actually have relevance and is another reason why we should declare this as a war. Then all civilian casualties on both sides can be argued as being part of the fog of war and not an accident or lone wolf crap.

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Magnumpti I might have missed it but was a thread started when the bombing of the marketplace in Baghdad happened or again when ISIS attacked a football field of children playing in Iraq?

I feel like it's an accusation that could be levelled at most however uncomfortable that makes people feel is that the people/media react more to white/western deaths.. Almost like their lives or loss of them matter more..:(

I felt like this thread was a good example of that..

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By all mean use this thread to add these things too, no prejudices on this thread :blink:

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I think you might have missed the point:lol:

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It's a valid point and one that occurs to me many times.

I wonder though, is it because it's more newsworthy when it happens in countries not experiencing such things. :unsure:

There was a good example in the Guardian the other day - and one can't really accuse that paper of such favouritism - when the main story concerned an attack in France or Germany (I don't recall which one :o) involving a few and down the page and over a bit was a report of a suicide bombing killing tens of people.

It seemed like the spots on the page should have been reversed but when there are parts of the world where such things happen almost daily, however terrible they are, they do become less newsworthy.

It's a bit like the 70s with "meanwhile in other news another mortar attack on a police station in Northern Ireland" :(

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In WW2 when we sent bombers over to carpet bomb Berlin and other areas was there the same sympathy for the civilians who were killed as there is for the civilians killed by US bombs and missiles, I don't think it ever crossed their minds back then.

IMO no one should be dying all deaths from this war is a terrible thing, but that's what happens in a war, so politicians should declare it as such.

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Am I correct in thinking that the main thrust of your argument is that by calling a conflict a war in some way legitimises the act of murder simply because 'that's what happens in a war?'?

The carpet bombing of Germany in WW2 doesn't support your thesis simply because the RAF and USAAF carried them out, the idea that lack of sympathy at the time means that such acts are allowable betrays the madness of such times.

I find your assertion that I support IS, simply because I criticise actions that are self evidently wrong to be an argument of last resort, the type of argument that would shoot the messenger or assassinate a journalist for publishing a cartoon.

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Just call it what it is, it's a war, we are at war, and casualties will ensue. If it's called a war then could we not negotiate some kind of peace treaty? Just hiding under a blanket of mad men, poor sighted airman and crazies dosnt leave us with much hope really does it ?

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If this thread were called idiocy, could we just ignore it?

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Wondered how long it would take you to arrive and spew your personal rude drivel

This thread is about what is actually happening every day in the world, wasn't really ment to be an opinionated thread. So let's just agree to wait till the next atrocity and post on here then ok

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"Just hiding under a blanket of mad men, poor sighted airman and crazies dosnt leave us with much hope really does it ?"

Better hope than relying on your nonsensical diatribes.

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It should be declared as a war, then commit to winning it.
You can pontificate about these casualties or those casualties but the longer we dither the longer it will drag on and the greater the casualties. No it should never have been started BUT it has and by throwing small amounts of troops and hardware at ISIS then this will drag on and on and on ! In the end one side has to win that's what always happens and my thoughts are commit the troops and hardware and settle it once and for all. Civilians have and will always be caught in wars, nothing we can do will change that once the blood letting begin. All we can do now is finish it as quickly as possible.
Now let the insults and sarcasm begin regarding my post.

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Pardon me if this is insulting but this:

doesn't stand up. Winning a war requires a defined enemy to fight against. There's no definable enemy in ISIS; what there is a number of individuals or small groups sharing a similar ideology; one of destruction in the west in general and in France in particular. They don't act in concert, no one is in charge and they don't have a supply chain of sophisticated weapons. They're nationals of the countries they seek to destroy rather than of one that can be bombed.

The battle is for the hearts and minds of the potential terrorists, or those who could betray them, not for territory.

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What's happening now with Islamic terrorism does seem analogous to the IRA and "the troubles". Slightly different religious and political motivations between the two movements, but they share primal hatered of their 'enemy'.

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There is a huge difference, one is deliberate killing of innocent people the other is accidental whilst trying to stop ISIL committing mass murder.

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The methodology might be different, the end result is the same.... Death to innocent people and children.

You are pretty quick to jump on the morbid bus of threads that come along when a terrorist attack happens in western civilisation ..

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I have a cynical view of the 'Troubles', one that many would consider the ravings of a madman, but one I'll share anyway.
It has been my view for many years during and since that the struggle which happened in N Ireland was a carefully controlled conflict.
The IRA must have understood that a united Ireland was not possible and as such their aim was simply one of showing the flag and being seen to maintain the struggle, ie keep it on the boil.
The UK government and the Unionists must have understood that an escalated struggle might very well unleash a more destructive war with unpredictable results.
The Irish government was happy to accomodate the IRA (although at arms length) but not enough to fully embrace the concept of a united Ireland with the possibility of a full scale Unionist uprising always a possibility.
In short, politicians of all sides were content to keep the conflict limited and this was enabled simply because not enough people were being killed. In other words, it is my view that all sides connived until such time as it became politically possible to enter into some kind of agreement.

I do not think that this will be the same with IS and the west.

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Well all I know is back in the 1980s I got to spend a Sunday looking through a pile of rubble for bodies after the IRA blew up the building, I don't think there was much conniving going on. Fortunately the building was empty but they couldn't have known that for certain.

Anyway I'm not sure if this lunatic in Japan qualifies for this thread, but holy cow, can we just go a few days without some sort of outrage? I'm not sure if it's just gotten worse lately or if the media are reporting it more, maybe both but it's got to a point now where you can't even pay attention. Like, shopping mall in Kabul blown up, dozens dead, hundreds injured and now over to our coverage of the RNC.

Bombs! Guns! Trucks! Knives! Machetes! Carnage! Lights! Cameras! :unsure:

I was watching the Bastille Day ceremonies on TV5 and it was wall-to-wall with Hollande meeting family members from the Paris attack and then endless interviews with people who work in counter-terrorism going on about how they do their jobs and here is all our fantastic equipment, etc. Little did they know...

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I'm not saying that everyone sat around a table and agreed to a limited war in N Ireland, what I am suggesting is that noone actively sought to either end the conflict or to escalate it, they appeared to be satisfied with an unsatisfactory status quo, hence my assertion that not enough people were being killed to force a change. It's a cold blooded view, but one understood by a political class that understood that to move from the head of the pin could possibly result in their failure and they were content to defer a solution to others.
If I'm correct in my assertion, then you may understand why I hold politicians in such low regard.

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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.ibti...?client=safari

This was actually reported on c panic 24 news, this is another reason why this should all end and we should consolidate all our Gods into one big God and just live in peace and harmony.

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Allah?